Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some
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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained
In the short time I've been a member, I can say for certain that Kishi and co., have been doing a great job to this point. The fact that a lot of us are passionate about the character(s), plots - what happened/going to happen, means the story is as engaging as ever. I expect it to get better as the war comes to a climax and the story wraps. Can't wait.
Personally, I think there's more to it than Tobi is Obito...remember the '?' at the end. Either way, there's a confirmation coming.
In the short time I've been a member, I can say for certain that Kishi and co., have been doing a great job to this point. The fact that a lot of us are passionate about the character(s), plots - what happened/going to happen, means the story is as engaging as ever. I expect it to get better as the war comes to a climax and the story wraps. Can't wait.
Personally, I think there's more to it than Tobi is Obito...remember the '?' at the end. Either way, there's a confirmation coming.
Re: Obito : All plotholes explained
Madara in the form of a Zettsu clone.
We all know that Zettsu can make perfect clones, down to the chakra pattern, so even sensory-ninja types are fooled. Zettsu must have a memory of the shinobi he is cloning, but he would have had a memory of Madara for sure.
So, Obito could even have _believed_ that he was meeting Madara. Or, he could have accepted that Zettsu acts on Madara's behalf and with instructions from him.
Well, I believe that metaphorically speaking, Obito might have met Madara.
Madara in the form of a Zettsu clone.
We all know that Zettsu can make perfect clones, down to the chakra pattern, so even sensory-ninja types are fooled. Zettsu must have a memory of the shinobi he is cloning, but he would have had a memory of Madara for sure.
So, Obito could even have _believed_ that he was meeting Madara. Or, he could have accepted that Zettsu acts on Madara's behalf and with instructions from him.
Re: Obito : All plotholes explained
Im sure some one has already pointed this out some where but so far from what Ive seen obito is weak - he uses one jutsu and can summon the giant statue. Thats about it - he made the fire barrier but so far all ive seen was that it stopped one moderate attack... he had better get a hell of a lot stronger fast or Madora is going to take over as the lead bad guy and we all have seen what madara is capable of...
Im sure some one has already pointed this out some where but so far from what Ive seen obito is weak - he uses one jutsu and can summon the giant statue. Thats about it - he made the fire barrier but so far all ive seen was that it stopped one moderate attack... he had better get a hell of a lot stronger fast or Madora is going to take over as the lead bad guy and we all have seen what madara is capable of...
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obito did not die after the rocks collapsed cuz his sharingan sent him to a different dimension on reflex.
the reason why he could be older is because he did what ichigo did in bleach and he trained in a different dimension where time was slower than in the normal dimension, so could spend years in one dimension but it would only be months in the real dimension.
the reason why he could be older is because he did what ichigo did in bleach and he trained in a different dimension where time was slower than in the normal dimension, so could spend years in one dimension but it would only be months in the real dimension.
Re: Obito : All plotholes explained
"Cause he got brainwashed by Zetsu, and was pretending to be Madara."
I'm not against you or any other theories or bullshit like that, but how the hell would you know if Zetsu brainwashed Tobi? Do you have any robust proof you could share with me? Have you seen Zetsu brainwashing other people? Where the hell did you get that 'brainwashing' thing?
"Cause he got brainwashed by Zetsu, and was pretending to be Madara."
I'm not against you or any other theories or bullshit like that, but how the hell would you know if Zetsu brainwashed Tobi? Do you have any robust proof you could share with me? Have you seen Zetsu brainwashing other people? Where the hell did you get that 'brainwashing' thing?
Re: Obito : All plotholes explained
Well guys all we can do is to wait next week, and be ashame of the kishimoto's kindergarden history telling skill, logic is twister.
Some people are happening to believe that
The OP Logic.
2+2= 3
5+5= 1
so 3+1= 0
Rasengan power have been degraded to 1
Power level enough to break a mask 'so that is rasengan power'
tobi = Obito
Minato=Tobi=Obito
if kishimoto says that it has to be that way, even when it does not make sense. so the OP is ok with that even when it does not make any sense.
Well guys all we can do is to wait next week, and be ashame of the kishimoto's kindergarden history telling skill, logic is twister.
Some people are happening to believe that
The OP Logic.
2+2= 3
5+5= 1
so 3+1= 0
Rasengan power have been degraded to 1
Power level enough to break a mask 'so that is rasengan power'
tobi = Obito
Minato=Tobi=Obito
if kishimoto says that it has to be that way, even when it does not make sense. so the OP is ok with that even when it does not make any sense.
Re: Obito : All plotholes explained
Well, yeah, but it means the same thing. The name "Obito", not necessarily Obito as a person/counsciousness/however you want to call it.
Re: Obito : All plotholes explained
If it's not Izuna, is somehow Madara...
But the way I believe it to be Izuna because of Kishi's way with Uchihas. It's always about 2 brothers, bonds and stuff.
I mean, look at Sasuke and Itachi. The same story. Itachi gave his eyes to Sasuke in order to achieve a bigger power.
Izuna gave Madara his eyes in order to achieve a greater power.
The pattern matches, only different situations. Even the pattern with Obito and Kakashi match, Obito giving his eyes to Kakashi in order for him to get more powerful, have a good use of his eyes.
Only that this is the way how Kishi could play with our minds and make us believe that are actually 99.99% acurate with only 0.1% error because showing things that we would focus on the big picture rather than on the small details.
If it's not Izuna, is somehow Madara...
But the way I believe it to be Izuna because of Kishi's way with Uchihas. It's always about 2 brothers, bonds and stuff.
I mean, look at Sasuke and Itachi. The same story. Itachi gave his eyes to Sasuke in order to achieve a bigger power.
Izuna gave Madara his eyes in order to achieve a greater power.
The pattern matches, only different situations. Even the pattern with Obito and Kakashi match, Obito giving his eyes to Kakashi in order for him to get more powerful, have a good use of his eyes.
Only that this is the way how Kishi could play with our minds and make us believe that are actually 99.99% acurate with only 0.1% error because showing things that we would focus on the big picture rather than on the small details.
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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained
2&3. It was 17 years ago that obito died 30-17=13. At age 13 Kakashi was teamed with Obito Uchiha and Rin under the leadership of Minato Namikaze. Soon after becoming a jōnin, Kakashi was assigned to lead Obito and Rin on a mission that would benefit Konoha in the ongoing Third Shinobi World War. They were to destroy the Kannabi Bridge, which was being used by Iwagakure forces to move into Kusagakure. This would also be Konoha's first huge offensive move in the war. little less than year the 9tail attack the village so for obito to heal and rise that much in power and knowledge and mastery of the sharingan in just a year.:shrug:
4.Zabuza grew up during the rein of yagura the Fourth Mizukage and he even tried to assassinate him when he revolt.Zabuza graduated from the Academy at Age 9 and remember he is the same age as kakashi. Yagura was in his late teens at the most. My question is this if zabuza,kakashi and obito is the same age how could obito control yagura at age 9 when he was in the leaf village?
5.Obito did give nagato the reinngan as stated by the manga unless madara died recently in the last 50 chapter then kabuto brought him back as edo madara
6.Managa says different
7.agree
8.agree
9.He was unskilled it was not until his death that he got stronger but even that was not so great.You are right naruto is OP but looking at the time the 9tail attacked the village little less than a year of his death and for him to gain that much strength to hold his own against Minato while controling the 9tail is just BS.
10.agree
1.Evidence that obito is the same age as kakashi cause they were both in the same class.You are just making up your own stuff because kakashi is currently 30 years old and subtract 16 from that because that was when the 9tail attacked the village giving you 14.
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2&3. It was 17 years ago that obito died 30-17=13. At age 13 Kakashi was teamed with Obito Uchiha and Rin under the leadership of Minato Namikaze. Soon after becoming a jōnin, Kakashi was assigned to lead Obito and Rin on a mission that would benefit Konoha in the ongoing Third Shinobi World War. They were to destroy the Kannabi Bridge, which was being used by Iwagakure forces to move into Kusagakure. This would also be Konoha's first huge offensive move in the war. little less than year the 9tail attack the village so for obito to heal and rise that much in power and knowledge and mastery of the sharingan in just a year.:shrug:
4.Zabuza grew up during the rein of yagura the Fourth Mizukage and he even tried to assassinate him when he revolt.Zabuza graduated from the Academy at Age 9 and remember he is the same age as kakashi. Yagura was in his late teens at the most. My question is this if zabuza,kakashi and obito is the same age how could obito control yagura at age 9 when he was in the leaf village?
5.Obito did give nagato the reinngan as stated by the manga unless madara died recently in the last 50 chapter then kabuto brought him back as edo madara
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6.Managa says different
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7.agree
8.agree
9.He was unskilled it was not until his death that he got stronger but even that was not so great.You are right naruto is OP but looking at the time the 9tail attacked the village little less than a year of his death and for him to gain that much strength to hold his own against Minato while controling the 9tail is just BS.
10.agree
Re: Obito : All plotholes explained
& Yeah, I know it's fiction, but still based of a process of logical events such as humanity, time, aging, and mortality.
Fxck is wrong with you..... The Databook is now and forever will be Canon, or else he never would've updated it past the first series, and I'm pretty sure he's going into making the fourth databook. This far into the story and you decide to forget age just like that, no... Just no. You're BS'ing now, you would have to start from scratch to disregard everyone's age. That's like saying, "Hmm.. Naruto's age doesn't matter, so now I SAY that the fox attacked the village 90 years ago, and Minato saved the village & sealed it into Naruto and now is only 16" (Yeah, doesn't make any sense does it???) And you can't compare Naruto to Obito other than personality, Naruto's power stems from having Kurama within him and Obito was a below average fodder ninja with no endearing talents to him whatsoever, you're apparently one of those fans who likes to bend facts to justify how canonically incorrect Kishi is, atm. You don't have to be biased to know how much he messed with the timeline of events. I believe in Kishimoto to get himself out of this, but you type of fans are unbearable..... Please, KEEP LOGIC A FACTOR...
& Yeah, I know it's fiction, but still based of a process of logical events such as humanity, time, aging, and mortality.
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