Tobi & Madara

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This is my first thread so I hope that I'm doing this right and in the right place. Please forgive me if this isn't the right place.

I am aware that for quite a few years now, there has been many speculations as to who and/or what Tobi is. I am not here to start up another long drawn out debate or to speculate who I think he is.

To me it doesn't really matter who Tobi is. The facts are, whoever he is:

1) He knows a lot about Madara
2) He calls himself Madara
3) & He has Madara's eyes.

-Remember that Sasuke has Itachi's eyes yet when Itachi was Edo summoned he also had his eyes (although they were darkened)-

Forward;
From what we know and have seen the Rinnegan can only be awakened by someone who has the DNA of both of the Senju and Uchiha. I believe that after Madara accumulated Hashirama's DNA 'HE' and Tobi did experiments on his own body to awaken the Rinnegan.

I believe that Madara's death at the moment of awakening the Rinnegan was in effect, directly related to these experiments. When he died, Tobi wasn't sure whether or not it was safe to use the Rinnegan (as Madara just died when it was awakened in him). So he implants Madara's eyes into a worthy, blood compatible victim (Nagato) essentially making him a guinea pig :D This would also explain exactly why he gave Nagato the Rinnegan as apposed to using it himself from the start.

Side note:
For those of you who will argue that the way Madara is using the Rinnegan in the current manga proves that he used it, before he died. Let me point out that Madara himself (EDO) states that he died right after awakening it. Which means that at the current moment, what we are witnessing is his prowess as one of the most Powerful Shinobi to Exist in the Narutoverse. I mean, to be able to use all of these abilities that he has never used before and with such good effect?! that is simply amazing.

Extra:
Tobi not only has Madara's eyes but also the eyes of many other Uchiha and even controlled Kurama at one point. Because of this, many people have been stating that he has to be an Uchiha. So to end this thread, let me supply some food for thought: Have you ever seen Tobi with an un-ativated sharigan?

Please give sensible replies if you disagree. If you have a different opinion to anything I have said above, I would appreciate it if you gave a good reason as apposed to just *I disagree* etc... please give reasons. Thank you
 

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When does it state that he has Madara's eyes? And he's already used one by Izanagi...Why waste uberEMS eyes when he has a store room of others?
 
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It's true Tobi's identity doesn't matter, as Minato put it "At this rate it doesn't matter who he is" BUT I STILL WANNA KNOW!!! lol
 

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When does it state that he has Madara's eyes? And he's already used one by Izanagi...Why waste uberEMS eyes when he has a store room of others?

Well Tobi told Konan that he gave Nagato the Rinnegan. Yet have you ever seen Tobi use the Rinnegan? NO! not even in the flashbacks (fight with Minato etc..) In the latest manga episodes, you see Madara with Rinnegan! So it is simple putting one plus one really. Simple Logik, and besides I never once said that my thread was fact based. These are just my theories so take it easy.
 

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when he was just goofy tobi, before he said he was madara, and deidara's partner he had unactivated sharigan.
 

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1. he doesnt have madara's eyes?
2... edo tensei revives the person how they were in their state itachi died with his eyes so he came back with his eyes.
3.why hasnt nagato shown sharigan than?
4.he stated ''before'' not after
5.alot of holes in your theory
 

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when he was just goofy tobi, before he said he was madara, and deidara's partner he had unactivated sharigan.

Is that so? I am not going to say that isn't true because now that I think about it I actually can't remember. But for the sake of learning something new. How about you post me a link to one of the manga episodes when you clearly see his eyes with an un-activated sharingan. Thanks in advance
 

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when he was just goofy tobi, before he said he was madara, and deidara's partner he had unactivated sharigan.

Exactly, call Tobi, Tobi because he's a deep. But I call Madara, Madara cause he's the EMS user that's invincible.... for now
 

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1. he doesnt have madara's eyes?
2... edo tensei revives the person how they were in their state itachi died with his eyes so he came back with his eyes.
3.why hasnt nagato shown sharigan than?
4.he stated ''before'' not after
5.alot of holes in your theory

1) If Nagato had Madara's eyes and Tobi took them back from Nagato. Then tobis has Madara's eyes. (*if*theory)
2) Exactly, when Madara died he had the Rinnegan, otherwise he wouldn't have come back with it.
3) again *theory* here. but when Kakashi implanted tobi's eyes it changed from one tomoe to two. In other words the eyes did not go backwards in there transformation. with this in mind, if Nagato recieved Madara's freshly activated Rinnegan, why would it go back to sharingan form?.
4)huh? <- not sure what you are reffering to here.
5) You say there are holes but I don't think that you have really thought about it. :/
 

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looking back i could be wrong. all the manga and episodes of toni have his one eye hole as just black you can't see his eye at all
my bad thought i remembered it not being activated then but looks like it just doesn't show that eye at all but i just looked through quickly
again my bad
 

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looking back i could be wrong. all the manga and episodes of toni have his one eye hole as just black you can't see his eye at all
my bad thought i remembered it not being activated then but looks like it just doesn't show that eye at all but i just looked through quickly
again my bad

That's cool but just to make sure, I'm going to double check XD Thank you for your input either way though, much appreciated.
 

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Hello:scorps::cool: yayyyyyyyyyyyy my first post:)

Welcome to the base. But this isn't the place for that lol While you're here though, would you mind giving me your opinion on my theory?

Edit:

is a link to the Konnichi wa area. this is where you go to post your welcome thread.
 
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