Tobi is not OP. =]

[LordRevan]

Lets see here the weaknesses shown for his S/T jutsu are other S/T jutsu. Of which, only one other person alive is capable of doing. Yea that is a glaring weakness that can't be fixed... Unless he simply dodges attacks or even just times his dematerialization to phase through an attack and then rematerialize when Kamui is used.

If you count gedo mazo as Nagato's weapon then you have to count it as Tobi's. They have both used it in battle, just in different ways.

I get your point But, the weakness Minato found out. Can be used by Naruto and Guy.. Now if Tobi simply Dodges , Naruto simply won't attack.

Gedo Mazo is not using Tobi's chakra , instead it is a container, It is independent at the moment. When tobi becomes the jinchuriki then it'll be his. Also, gotta realize Nagato used his own chakra to control Gedo Mazo. 2 Different things.

Yes actually I do. You're arguing whether or not he's OP but you don't see that if it wasn't for plot, he could of dealt with all four of them. You're forgetting that he has a Rinnegan.

The fact of the matter is, he's OP because of the potential of his abilities. It's for plot that he's not using them. He's obviously conserving his chakra at the moment for the Juubi and plus they have counters for his Rinnegan, which is the most obvious plot ass pull I think I've seen. Do you want me to summarize his techniques?

Well bro, if it wasn't for the plot no jutsu , Naruto would have had clones in kyuubi mode. And also Bee would be doing something important while in this case his being useless at the moment.

Tobi is on the Defense at the moment.. But when he goes on the Offense it is really his down fall then.

And yea i would like a summary of the technique (thanks bro)

Naw I believe minato said Tobi space time jutsu is better than his an the 2nd hokage...an how will clones help lol madara ain't need them clones.

Yea Tobi is op he has the ten tails.

But the Tentails isn't his yet. And also Clones can replace the Speed moment. And also it is really unknown if Tobi can counter the Powers of Push and Pull used by the rinnegan. And if Tobi leaves the Battles field, he basicaly quits.

 

[SilverSlick]

I get your point But, the weakness Minato found out. Can be used by Naruto and Guy.. Now if Tobi simply Dodges , Naruto simply won't attack.

Gedo Mazo is not using Tobi's chakra , instead it is a container, It is independent at the moment. When tobi becomes the jinchuriki then it'll be his. Also, gotta realize Nagato used his own chakra to control Gedo Mazo. 2 Different things.




Well bro, if it wasn't for the plot no jutsu , Naruto would have had clones in kyuubi mode. And also Bee would be doing something important while in this case his being useless at the moment.

Tobi is on the Defense at the moment.. But when he goes on the Offense it is really his down fall then.

And yea i would like a summary of the technique (thanks bro)





But the Tentails isn't his yet. And also Clones can replace the Speed moment. And also it is really unknown if Tobi can counter the Powers of Push and Pull used by the rinnegan. And if Tobi leaves the Battles field, he basicaly quits.

Let me start with the S/T technique.

-There are barely any counters. CT and another S/T tech are two
-His intangibility is instantaneous meaning clones will become useless, I'll explain later
-As long as his intangibility is in effect, nothing can hurt him
-His warping ability is perhaps more OP than his intangibility though clones can counter.

Speed alone cannot counter his intangibility. I'd say CT is the only definite counter because it alone will cause him to teleport away(he loses) or he gets sucked up and dies. A S/T tech alone can't counter it either. Minato countered him because Tobi wasn't expecting him to teleport to the Kunai that he just through at him. That along with the fact that it was behind him and that he formed a Rasengan in a split second. This combined with his FTG, which is instantaneous was a good counter. You just gotta catch him off guard. Kakashi's Kamui alone can't stop him. It has the be combined with another attack to work.

The process of him going intangible is instantaneous. Though its limited to how fast he can think. Simple clones, no matter how much, cannot touch him since he has good sensing abilities+a Sharingan. This, combined with his instantaneous intangibility makes him theoretically invincible, though there are counters as I stated above

The 3rd point is self explanatory, though a Kamui with a simple kunai can catch him.

I want to point out that the only reason why Minato escaped his sucking in ability was because he had FTG, another S/T tech. Once Tobi starts the process of sucking you in, there is no escape, much like Kamui. Though this ability kinda becomes pointless when used against a group of people or clones. Though in a one on one fight, he rapes.

Want me to explain more?

 

[LordRevan]

Let me start with the S/T technique.

-There are barely any counters. CT and another S/T tech are two
-His intangibility is instantaneous meaning clones will become useless, I'll explain later
-As long as his intangibility is in effect, nothing can hurt him
-His warping ability is perhaps more OP than his intangibility though clones can counter.

Speed alone cannot counter his intangibility. I'd say CT is the only definite counter because it alone will cause him to teleport away(he loses) or he gets sucked up and dies. A S/T tech alone can't counter it either. Minato countered him because Tobi wasn't expecting him to teleport to the Kunai that he just through at him. That along with the fact that it was behind him and that he formed a Rasengan in a split second. This combined with his FTG, which is instantaneous was a good counter. You just gotta catch him off guard. Kakashi's Kamui alone can't stop him. It has the be combined with another attack to work.

The process of him going intangible is instantaneous. Though its limited to how fast he can think. Simple clones, no matter how much, cannot touch him since he has good sensing abilities+a Sharingan. This, combined with his instantaneous intangibility makes him theoretically invincible, though there are counters as I stated above

The 3rd point is self explanatory, though a Kamui with a simple kunai can catch him.

I want to point out that the only reason why Minato escaped his sucking in ability was because he had FTG, another S/T tech. Once Tobi starts the process of sucking you in, there is no escape, much like Kamui. Though this ability kinda becomes pointless when used against a group of people or clones. Though in a one on one fight, he rapes.

Want me to explain more?

Well all in 1 all its still just 1 jutsu. If he never Materializes he won't be able to attack. Naruto in Kyuubi mode is on the same speed as Minato.

Now, On defense his weakness is Kamui.. But on Offense his weakness is that the person can hit him when he materializes (Naruto). At the moment he is on Defense.

Also, my point in the thread was that, He at the moment is not OP. He only has 1 OP technique. While Edo Madara and Naruto have More<<<they are OP characters. For example, if we think about it Kakashi's Kamui is basically the Strongest Technique.. But thats only 1 technique.


Do perhaps know more of his techniques. Also, Konan was able to jack him up. (Probably could have defeated him).

 

[kotoamatsukami]

I get your point But, the weakness Minato found out. Can be used by Naruto and Guy.. Now if Tobi simply Dodges , Naruto simply won't attack.

Gedo Mazo is not using Tobi's chakra , instead it is a container, It is independent at the moment. When tobi becomes the jinchuriki then it'll be his. Also, gotta realize Nagato used his own chakra to control Gedo Mazo. 2 Different things.




Well bro, if it wasn't for the plot no jutsu , Naruto would have had clones in kyuubi mode. And also Bee would be doing something important while in this case his being useless at the moment.

Tobi is on the Defense at the moment.. But when he goes on the Offense it is really his down fall then.

And yea i would like a summary of the technique (thanks bro)





But the Tentails isn't his yet. And also Clones can replace the Speed moment. And also it is really unknown if Tobi can counter the Powers of Push and Pull used by the rinnegan. And if Tobi leaves the Battles field, he basicaly quits.

How many times did minato leave the battle field when fighting Tobi?

 

[Rike Senju]

The weakness of S/T jutsu is too obvious. Speed really is not required to counter it. Things like Clones (Which they don't use anymore i guess) are also effective. Kakashi figured out a another weakness. Minato figured out a another one. So his S/T jutsu has 2 weakness already. And now we know its just 1 jutsu not 2 different ones.

kakashi nor Minato can solo rinnegan tobi they would need an OP team to defeat him which makes tobi really OP..2 perfect jinchks n 2 kage level ninja barely were able to land a hit on him and tobi is not even using rinnegan techqs yet.

 

[SasukesSixPack]

After seeing him fight i think that Kakashi could solo him. Now all d-riders will change their avatar to Madara, because they can't worship "the strongest shinobi" anymore.

He's fodder.

 

[SilverSlick]

Well all in 1 all its still just 1 jutsu. If he never Materializes he won't be able to attack. Naruto in Kyuubi mode is on the same speed as Minato.

Now, On defense his weakness is Kamui.. But on Offense his weakness is that the person can hit him when he materializes (Naruto). At the moment he is on Defense.

Also, my point in the thread was that, He at the moment is not OP. He only has 1 OP technique. While Edo Madara and Naruto have More<<<they are OP characters. For example, if we think about it Kakashi's Kamui is basically the Strongest Technique.. But thats only 1 technique.


Do perhaps know more of his techniques. Also, Konan was able to jack him up. (Probably could have defeated him).

Oh, Tobi has more OP techniques than one. Enough to match Madara. With the Rinnegan he can use all the technique that Madara can. Him not using many Rinnegan techs was a major plot ass pull. It's bullshit they have counters because they don't. This is Kishi limiting the abilities of Tobi

He has already shown the abilities of the

-Outer Path
-Deva Path
-Human Path

He could definitely use the other 4. I don't see why he couldn't.

Basically, everything Madara can do, Tobi can do. Well, of course other than his PS. But once you see how OP Tobi's S/T tech is(you're still underestimating it) you'll see how useless it is against Tobi. All Tobi would have to do is warp inside Susano'o, and warp him to his pocket dimension.

Tobi can potentially master all 5 chakra natures. He has two that we know of at the moment which is Earth and Fire, though you don't have to count either of them. Well, you can count Fire, but not in the traditional since. That technique he pulled this chapter was pretty cool. It's much like the Sound Four version.

Also, I want you to realize another point. His genjutsu. Of course, we haven't seen that much out of him during battle in that category, but that's because of another plot ass pull. He controlled Yagura, a perfect jinchuriki, with a genjutsu for a long time. It was really similar to KA, the most powerful genjutsu known. I know this because Mei and Ao confused the two. He also trapped Fu and Torune into a genjutsu for a long time. In a one on one, non plot restricted battle, this makes him more unbeatable.

Of course he has the Sharingan, and with it, his ability to predict moves and shit. Reason why he didn't use this against Minato was because of plot. This chapter, he caught Guy's nunchucks by predicting his movements. This whole fight has shown his good reaction time.

I'm actually glad you brought up the Konan fight. Given the same scenario, she would of defeated anyone. Give one person with a combination of Izanagi and S/T technique capabilities and you have your answer as to who would have survived that fight. Also, that fight showed off his incredible endurance, taijutsu, and chakra levels. I don't think any ordinary ninja could have used Izanagi for ten minutes, and then blocked all of her paper shurikins, effectively dodging them and then to go on to choke her with one arm.

 

[blackbird31468]

OP S/T ninjutsu, sharingan, rinnegan, 6-tailed beasts, gedo mazou and fire wall. Sounds pretty OP to me.

 

[Exaar]

Tobi has the rinnegan (that he has yet to use in the fight), Sharingan, an S/T only other S/T users can beat, 7biiju, Gedo mazo and juubi.

He is extremely OP, Tobi is just messing around at the moment.

 

[TobisPawn]

So he gets the worst matchup possible with Kakashi while also having to deal with Naruto, Guy, and Bee while also protecting Gedo Mazo, so he's not OP anymore?

 

[VangBro95]

Wait for it to come.