Im pretty sure he doesn't because during his fight with Konan...he almost died and even had to use Izanagi but still hasn't used his Mangekyo Sharingan...I'm pretty sure there is no reason to keep him from activating it now unless he didn't have them from the beginning. I think these hint Tobi's identity. Hm......
[Discussion] Tobi does not have MS! Or does he?
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Well Izanagi isn't a MS technique, as seen with danzo for example. Kamui is a MS technique that can be learned according to the 3rd databook. I have no clue how tobi can do a similar jutsu like kamui but its not a MS. I think he has a special sharingan.
SilverSlick
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You also completely ignored what I said earlier about Tobi's genjutsu being near the power of Shisui's genjutsu which was a MS ability. Also, show me any sharingan user using Tobi's s/t technique.
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Here Itachi is using his Susano'o, a MS ability with his 3-tomoe.
What does the genjutsu and susanoo have to do with controlling the kyuubi? I'm just stating you don't need it to do so. Its been shown throughout the manga.
Here is Madara you can see him stressing his eye while saying obey.
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Point is you don't need a MS to control the kyuubi, and that genjutsu has nothing to do with a MS. We haven't seen him use a MS nor has he displayed any ability that leads me to believe he has one.
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That's the main reason why I'm confused is tobis S/T tech. No Uchiha was known to posses these capabilities besides Shisui's "body flicker" tech. But even then, Minato said it surpassed his and Tobirama's. That sharingan he has must be a special made one. The other one he used for Izanagi was probably just a disposable one. I'm going off of this because he had a lab FULL of sharingan in his collection.
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Dude, when he controlled Yagura, the 4th Mizukage for x number of years, who was a perfect jinchuriki. What I'm saying is, if Itachi can use his Susano'o, a ms ability, with his 3-tomoe sharingan, then Madara and Tobi can control kurama with a 3 tomoe. It states on the Naka Shrine that you need a MS to control a tailed beast. Itachi and Sasuke clearly states it.
Show me any 3 tomoe technique that can control a perfect jinchuriki.
th1s1guysays
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So you're saying, even if it's writtin in stone you need to have MS to control a tailed beast. They've proven that rule is invalid, based on them being able to control the tailed beasts with 3 tomo's?:shrug:
SilverSlick
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1: Danzo said maybe when he was specifying if yagura was the perfect jinchurriki. Its something I noticed recently as well.
I do admit the itachi find is in your favor right now. I'm not sure if its a mistake that he doesn't have a MS while having susanoo activated or if its possible, but the databook says otherwise which leads me to believe its a mistake.
We saw tobi without a MS control it though. You can't compare susanoo to controlling a TB. What's been said and whats been shown are two different things. That page still shows tobi using only a 3 tomoe to control it.
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SilverSlick
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SilverSlick
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The MS abilities differ from person to person. Kakashi can use Kamui but not Susano'o. Same goes for Itachi the other way around. I'm saying Tobi's S/T tech is his unique MS ability.
Its still speculation. Yes Madara did it with a 3 tomoe, but that doesn't mean tobi couldn't. We already know madara has a EMS, but we have no proof that tobi has even a MS. Therefore its inconclusive. Though it is a good theory, it is just a theory.
SilverSlick
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You wanna know what's more conclusive? Tobi probably just used Hashi cells to enhance his Sharingan. That's probably more likely.
SilverSlick
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Lol, nah, its a theory. He used Hashi cells to enhance his Izanagi and Danzo used Hashi cells to enhance Kotoamatsukami.
