Tobi Could Have Won the WAR on day 1

[Volcanikage]

Tobi could have gotten naruto the day he saw him at sasuke vs itachi fight. and making the war to just take hachibi that would being way easier

 

[Kakashi Fang]

Could you read my post again? i never said that the Zetsu was able to use KG. what i said was it can copy the tech of the host.
Fact? ill give you 1. teleportation jutsu is not KG.

Are you implying that if the Zetsu clones were able to use teleportation tech via tobi's form, it wouldnt be a problem?
Tobi fought minato with basically teleportation tech alone and it took a HOKAGE to bring him down.
now your feeling your own argument against you.

Teleportation jutsu is not KG you say!?

Firstly, Tobi's Space Time Migration is KG since he needs his Sharingan to do it so your wrong.

Secondly, I'm not implying anything. I'm stating that the Zetsu's CANNOT use Tobi's KG based attacks.

Lastly, your not turning my post against me in no way. You are confused my friend.

 

[Killer Vision]

Teleportation jutsu is not KG you say!?

Firstly, Tobi's Space Time Migration is KG since he needs his Sharingan to do it so your wrong.

Secondly, I'm not implying anything. I'm stating that the Zetsu's CANNOT use Tobi's KG based attacks.

Lastly, your not turning my post against me in no way. You are confused my friend.

Your talking about the KG space migration technique bro.
the teleportation tech that im talking about here is when tobi goes intangible for 5 minutes. there NO evidence that he's using his sharingan to do this.

And yes,Teleportation jutsu is not KG so you know. tobirama and minato uses it without any bloodline requirement. its all teleportation tech with different applications.

 

[Rorasa]

Teleportation jutsu is not KG you say!?

Firstly, Tobi's Space Time Migration is KG since he needs his Sharingan to do it so your wrong.

Secondly, I'm not implying anything. I'm stating that the Zetsu's CANNOT use Tobi's KG based attacks.

Lastly, your not turning my post against me in no way. You are confused my friend.

chill out dude xd

 

[2pops]

the war isnt even necessary let alone 100000 tobis. -_- tobi and kisame couldv easily captured naruto and bee if they sneak up or team up on em before. with tobis space time ability the akatsuki cudve captured each one by one by surprise and they shudnt be on 2 man team. they shudve came out as a whole team

 

[Kakashi Fang]

Your talking about the KG space migration technique bro.
the teleportation tech that im talking about here is when tobi goes intangible for 5 minutes. there NO evidence that he's using his sharingan to do this.

And yes,Teleportation jutsu is not KG so you know. tobirama and minato uses it without any bloodline requirement. its all teleportation tech with different applications.

When Tobi goes intangible is still apart of his S/T jutsu in the data book.

Also, no one is talking about Minato or Tobirama! They are irrelevant to this debate because we are talking about the abilities of Tobi and Zetsu only.

Never have I said that KG is needed to perform S/T techs except in Tobi's case so why bring that up.

 

[MangekyouJ]

in response to that. i dont think that he knows the specifics behind that fight. i myself just recently read the third databook shanono and it stated that it was a specific jutsu used by pain not zetsu... however it still remains that zetsu DOESNT get the chakra of the people he takes on. he is a very good imitator but not the real deal. if the opposite were the case zetsu should be amazingly strong since he was made from hashi's cells. i hate to be the one who quotes a wiki but:

Their capacity to absorb chakra serves a more sinister purpose: to allow any active Zetsu Army soldier to take on the appearance and chakra signature of the person they latched on. With this ability, they can deceive anyone into gaining the trust of the copied person's acquaintances, deceiving even the best sensors. Such an ability is perfect for espionage and covert assassination. These Zetsu are also able to merge with each other to form a mutated version of themselves that resemble fly-traps even more. By merging, it apparently makes them somewhat more resilient. Due to the fact that they were created through cultivation of Hashirama Senju's cells, Sakura states that they can also use Wood Release, albeit on a weaker scale. A downside to their genetics is that, once they come into contact with a powerful concentration of Yang-natured chakra, it affects them directly causing them to turn into trees.

although i agree that the war couldav been won from the start because the nations were splintered and didnt trust each other. so an attack on one may not see the others jump in to assist them. they shouldve tried to pit the nations against each other... using the zetsu to disguise themselves as an enemy nation attack and then leave them tofight. do this sistematically and no one nation would agree to help another mainly because they would have been too suspicious... but das how i wudav done it.. not by sending da zetsu to attack directly.

Could you link that databook plz?

 

[Killer Vision]

the war isnt even necessary let alone 100000 tobis. -_- tobi and kisame couldv easily captured naruto and bee if they sneak up or team up on em before. with tobis space time ability the akatsuki cudve captured each one by one by surprise and they shudnt be on 2 man team. they shudve came out as a whole team

good point, so it just means that the hard way is more fun for the manga readers right?

 

[Flame Alchemist]

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read what tobi says in the bottom left "it will be too weak for battle."

zetsu can copy the frequency of the chakra (something like that) so he can give the impression that he is indeed the one whom he copied. but he cannot use the powers of the person he copied. in other words he can only change his shape and the "impression of the chakra he releases". it doesn't grant any power.

it would be 100.000 "tobi shaped" white zetsus with no difference in strength

 

[Kakashi Fang]

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read what tobi says in the bottom left "it will be too weak for battle."

zetsu can copy the frequency of the chakra (something like that) so he can give the impression that he is indeed the one whom he copied. but he cannot use the powers of the person he copied. in other words he can only change his shape and the "impression of the chakra he releases". it doesn't grant any power.

it would be 100.000 "tobi shaped" white zetsus with no difference in strength

Exactly this^^^
+rep

 

[Killer Vision]

When Tobi goes intangible is still apart of his S/T jutsu in the data book.

Also, no one is talking about Minato or Tobirama! They are irrelevant to this debate because we are talking about the abilities of Tobi and Zetsu only.

Never have I said that KG is needed to perform S/T techs except in Tobi's case so why bring that up.

sorry for taking so long. im just joggling my paper works here and internet access.

how can i not talk about minato and tobirama when your insisting that teleportation tech is KG.

Going back to the original post, do you honestly believe that a regular zetsu is comparable to a zetsu with tobi chakra?

its an UPGRADE by leaps and bounce! i just think your pissed coz u initial assumption that "no this thread is fail coz kisame used 30% chakra was a complete disaster."

 

[Tarheel09]

I thought that whoever the copy was made of had to give so much chakra to zetsu to make the copy...so I don't think he afford to make 100,000 copies of himself. I could be wrong so don't flame me...its just what i thought i heard once

 

[Killer Vision]

Flame alchemist manga reference is true. the weakness of substitution tech is that it wouldnt last for extended period but its still an upgrade compared to a regular zetsu and a thousand of them is a huge difference.

 

[Kakashi Fang]

sorry for taking so long. im just joggling my paper works here and internet access.

how can i not talk about minato and tobirama when your insisting that teleportation tech is KG.

Going back to the original post, do you honestly believe that a regular zetsu is comparable to a zetsu with tobi chakra?

its an UPGRADE by leaps and bounce! i just think your pissed coz u initial assumption that "no this thread is fail coz kisame used 30% chakra was a complete disaster."

I'm insisting that S/T jutsu is KG!? WTF are you talking about!?

For the last time I never said S/T jutsu is KG stop putting words in my mouth, I said Tobi's KG enables him to use S/T techs. I'm not talking about anybody elses jutsu.

There is nothing special about a Zetsu clone with Tobi chakra dude, NOTHING! Also the Zetsu don't actually have Tobi's chakra they only mimic the signature of it. As I said previously, do your research before posting as I have.

Zetsu only makes very good copies with that substitute technique, the clones cannot use any of the originals techniques.

 

[2pops]

good point, so it just means that the hard way is more fun for the manga readers right?

yes the war is for our entertainment lol. tobi's really complicating things. he couldve easily accomplished his plans. no ones gonna stop the whole akatsuki gang especially when the shinobi alliance isnt formed yet.

 

[Killer Vision]

Good theory but it's a fail nonetheless.

Allow me to explain:
It takes chakra to maintain the fake Zetsu. The first time this technique was used was when Guy and Kisame fought, Pain asked Kisame to use 30% of his chakra. That chakra was put into a Zetsu clone and then it went on to combat Guy and his team.
The above is just an assumption^^^...

What I'm trying to say is that the substitute clone is only as strong as how much chakra it gets from the person it touches. Therefore it would be impossible for Tobi to divide his chakra to 100,000 zetsus to make them capable combatants. They would all be weak as **** and the real Tobi would probably be dead.

Also btw, even if Tobi could give a decent amount of chakra to 100,000 Zetsu substitute clones they would still be fodder. The reason being that the substitute clones cannot use any KG techniques they can only retain the appearance of the KG. Therefore the Zetsu substitute clones would only look like Tobi, and would not have any S/T techs or rinnegan techs.FACT!!!

Wrong again as they were not zetsu but real shinobi

stop putting words in my mouth

Teleportation jutsu is not KG you say!?

This for you on saying im putting words to your mouth,remember now? now eat it.

As I said previously, do your research before posting as I have.

Tell that to yourself

 

[Kakashi Fang]

Your thread is a fail dude, just accept your destiny and the loop will end lol.

Zetsu can't use any of Tobi's abilities, END OF STORY!!!

I already tore your fail thread apart so just stop...

 

[narutogrg]

yeap but the story wouldnt be long and interesting

 

[ComedyDaggers]

yeap but the story wouldnt be long and interesting

sooo plot no jutsu

 

[Killer Vision]

What I said was FACT!!! Its not up for debate, at all period.

Yes the Zetsu was able to use Kisame's water techs, why wouldn't he be able to!? I never said the Zetsu clone substitute could not use the elemental attacks of the original.

ok then, so tobi happens to have affinity on earth release, yin release. yang release and yin-yang release. so according to you, the zetsu can use this techs?.. yet you cant accept the fact that zetsu substitution tech Tobi is better than standard zetsu?

Think what you want boy, you might even want to go to school on argumentation and debate like i did for 4 years, but if you go on thinking that you have good logic, think again. if it makes you happy, go think that you can tear all threads out there with your terrific logic.

Like they say in debates, you posses something called "horse-view reasoning."