Tobi Could Have Won the WAR on day 1

[Killer Vision]

...he can copy their chakra signature and to an extent their abilities but he doesnt have their chakra... tobi himself said tht zetsu is NOT a front line fighter... he can fool any sensor except naruto who senses evil/malice... why? because their chakra id is practically identical however he doesnt get their chakra(reserves) otherwise zetsu wud be as powerful as hashi seeing that he was created from hashi(cells). its like he makes a fake id that looks so real that it fools people.. or better analogy.. he is like really good counterfeit money... he may be able to pass as the real deal but he is not legal tender

the byakugan can see the amount of chakra a shinobi has.
note, neji saw this during their 1st encounter with kisame.
if zetsu didnt copy the amount of chakra container of the host, they wouldnt have needed naruto on the field figuring out whos the enemy.
Hyuga clan was enough if this was the real case.

 

[flobayz]

Dont forget dat zetsu needs its hosts chakra to create a substitute. e.g. kisame and itachi gave zetsu some percent of their chakra when zetsu clones fought team kakashi. theres no way tobi can give enough chakra to all the 100000 zetsu clones. he'll die, or they'll be to weak to even move.

 

[Killer Vision]

Dont forget dat zetsu needs its hosts chakra to create a substitute. e.g. kisame and itachi gave zetsu some percent of their chakra when zetsu clones fought team kakashi. theres no way tobi can give enough chakra to all the 100000 zetsu clones. he'll die, or they'll be to weak to even move.

they were not zetsu! they were real shinobis! 1 was from the sand..the other was rogue from another.

 

[Killer Vision]

i have given the reps to some.
pls feel free to post.
im gonna log off for now coz ill be closing the shop, ill check it tomorrow. thanks guys.

 

[EL MAGNIFICO]

yeah that ! i get it now ...but hat wud be too op ....!!

 

[Kakashi Fang]

Good theory but it's a fail nonetheless.

Allow me to explain:
It takes chakra to maintain the fake Zetsu. The first time this technique was used was when Guy and Kisame fought, Pain asked Kisame to use 30% of his chakra. That chakra was put into a Zetsu clone and then it went on to combat Guy and his team.
The above is just an assumption^^^...

What I'm trying to say is that the substitute clone is only as strong as how much chakra it gets from the person it touches. Therefore it would be impossible for Tobi to divide his chakra to 100,000 zetsus to make them capable combatants. They would all be weak as **** and the real Tobi would probably be dead.

Also btw, even if Tobi could give a decent amount of chakra to 100,000 Zetsu substitute clones they would still be fodder. The reason being that the substitute clones cannot use any KG techniques they can only retain the appearance of the KG. Therefore the Zetsu substitute clones would only look like Tobi, and would not have any S/T techs or rinnegan techs.FACT!!!

 

[Badass09]

Actually I think Tobi should have just grabbed Bee and Naruto, why didn't he do that? Just float out of the ground, 1 touch and then just vanish with them. Not during the war but way before they got strong enough to defend themselves. Instead he wages war and tells everyone his plans. Also why split the Akatsuki up into groups of 2, just round them all up and go together as a group. Entire Akatsuki group together with Nagato could have beat Naruto easy =]
Why do everything the hard way? Cause its not as fun.

Yup, that's why Akatsuki failed.
And Tobi was a troll announcing war in front of the kages it was like he was saying them to get prepared while he could just surprise them all.
If he wouldn't announce war then there wouldn't be such a cooperation among shinobis, he could of just leave things the way they were and then uses his power to capture Naruto and B.

And also if Akatsuki had been working by half then Tobi would have his plan ready at this rate. For example if half of Akatsuki go to take B and the other half go to take Naruto then it would be pretty easy.

 

[Kakashi Fang]

People look up the facts the Zetsu substitute cannot use any KG it can only retain the appearance of it(Ex:Sharingan).

Ex: The Zetsu substitute clone can copy the appearance of the Sharingan but it cannot perform "ANY" of it's techniques/abilities. FACT!!!

 

[Killer Vision]

Good theory but it's a fail nonetheless.

Allow me to explain:
It takes chakra to maintain the fake Zetsu. The first time this technique was used was when Guy and Kisame fought, Pain asked Kisame to use 30% of his chakra. That chakra was put into a Zetsu clone and then it went on to combat Guy and his team.
The above is just an assumption^^^...

What I'm trying to say is that the substitute clone is only as strong as how much chakra it gets from the person it touches. Therefore it would be impossible for Tobi to divide his chakra to 100,000 zetsus to make them capable combatants. They would all be weak as **** and the real Tobi would probably be dead.

Also btw, even if Tobi could give a decent amount of chakra to 100,000 Zetsu substitute clones they would still be fodder. The reason being that the substitute clones cannot use any KG techniques they can only retain the appearance of the KG. Therefore the Zetsu substitute clones would only look like Tobi, and would not have any S/T techs or rinnegan techs.FACT!!!

When did this happened?! read chapter 260!

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Is it clear enough that these are not zetsu clones?
Is it clear enough for you that this is a different technique?

Shouten no jutsu is DIFFERENT FROM SUBSTITUTE technique.

and yes, i welcome you to answer back.

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

That's plot no jutsu for you.

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[medal32]

Wouldnt that be kinda boring?

 

[Dantee]

Sorry fail. Tobi can't split his chakra into 100,000 zetsus

 

[ANBU Kakashi23]

Tobi should have won the war on day 1.

He could have used his 100,000 White Zetsu in a way that all of them will be using "Substitute Technique" and created 100,000 copies of Tobi.

No way the Shinobi Alliance can counter this.

Was it a miscalculation on giving out character abilities on Kishi's part?
Love to hear your thoughts on this.

If you like, you can vote on the poll...just wanted to hear what my fellow naruto fans think about it.

Ill give out REPS for good post!

its only a war if both sides stand a fighting chance against one another

100 000 tobi could probably win in an hour, let alone a day

 

[Kakashi Fang]

When did this happened?! read chapter 260!

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Is it clear enough that these are not zetsu clones?
Is it clear enough for you that this is a different technique?

Shouten no jutsu is DIFFERENT FROM SUBSTITUTE technique.

and yes, i welcome you to answer back.

Ok, you only proved that those copies were not Zetsus(Congrats)...

Let's say Tobi does let the 100,000 copy his chakra, well whoopdie doo, as I said previously the Zetsu substitute would not have any of Tobi's KG abilities because it only mimics the appearance and the chakra of the person.

Therefore if all the clones did take form as Tobi they would still be less than fodder because they would not be able to use any of Tobi's Sharingan or Rinnegan techs, so they would get wiped out even faster than they are currently.

With all that being said this thread is a fail because Tobi couldn't have won this war on day 1 with the 100,000 Zetsu clones taking his form.

And yes, I welcome you to answer back...

 

[darthvader5666]

Remember, transformed Zetsu clones are weaker than the original. Btw, do they copy Kekkei Genkai when they transform? If so, then you're right about being able to win the war on day 1, even if the zetsus would be weaker than the original Tobi.

 

[SasukexNeji]

Of course he could have, but that would have cost Kishi $$$.

 

[Killer Vision]

Ok, you only proved that those copies were not Zetsus(Congrats)...

Let's say Tobi does let the 100,000 copy his chakra, well whoopdie doo, as I said previously the Zetsu substitute would not have any of Tobi's KG abilities because it only mimics the appearance and the chakra of the person.

Therefore if all the clones did take form as Tobi they would still be less than fodder because they would not be able to use any of Tobi's Sharingan or Rinnegan techs, so they would get wiped out even faster than they are currently.

With all that being said this thread is a fail because Tobi couldn't have won this war on day 1 with the 100,000 Zetsu clones taking his form.

And yes, I welcome you to answer back...

First off it was clear in the MANGA that the clone zetsu can use tech of it copied host.
PROOF:Zetsu clone preformed the SUITON DAIKODAN of Kisame.
Secondly you have no proof whatsoever that the clone zetsu could not mimic the KG abilities of its copied host..your are only talking assumptions.
Here's my logic: If the zetsu clone werent able to perform the techs of its host, why would the entire shinobi alliance be in chaos if they can simply say "hey dude, you cant do this and that so your a clone..so im gonna kill you now "
They needed naruto's aid to figure out which is which because, as vast as their intel division was, they couldnt pinpoint the fake from the real thing.

Pls bro, answer me with proof intact ok?

Your turn bro.

 

[gazmatic]

When did this happened?! read chapter 260!

You must be registered for see images

Is it clear enough that these are not zetsu clones?
Is it clear enough for you that this is a different technique?

Shouten no jutsu is DIFFERENT FROM SUBSTITUTE technique.

and yes, i welcome you to answer back.

in response to that. i dont think that he knows the specifics behind that fight. i myself just recently read the third databook shanono and it stated that it was a specific jutsu used by pain not zetsu... however it still remains that zetsu DOESNT get the chakra of the people he takes on. he is a very good imitator but not the real deal. if the opposite were the case zetsu should be amazingly strong since he was made from hashi's cells. i hate to be the one who quotes a wiki but:

Their capacity to absorb chakra serves a more sinister purpose: to allow any active Zetsu Army soldier to take on the appearance and chakra signature of the person they latched on. With this ability, they can deceive anyone into gaining the trust of the copied person's acquaintances, deceiving even the best sensors. Such an ability is perfect for espionage and covert assassination. These Zetsu are also able to merge with each other to form a mutated version of themselves that resemble fly-traps even more. By merging, it apparently makes them somewhat more resilient. Due to the fact that they were created through cultivation of Hashirama Senju's cells, Sakura states that they can also use Wood Release, albeit on a weaker scale. A downside to their genetics is that, once they come into contact with a powerful concentration of Yang-natured chakra, it affects them directly causing them to turn into trees.

although i agree that the war couldav been won from the start because the nations were splintered and didnt trust each other. so an attack on one may not see the others jump in to assist them. they shouldve tried to pit the nations against each other... using the zetsu to disguise themselves as an enemy nation attack and then leave them tofight. do this sistematically and no one nation would agree to help another mainly because they would have been too suspicious... but das how i wudav done it.. not by sending da zetsu to attack directly.

 

[Kakashi Fang]

First off it was clear in the MANGA that the clone zetsu can use tech of it copied host.
PROOF:Zetsu clone preformed the SUITON DAIKODAN of Kisame.
Secondly you have no proof whatsoever that the clone zetsu could not mimic the KG abilities of its copied host..your are only talking assumptions.
Here's my logic: If the zetsu clone werent able to perform the techs of its host, why would the entire shinobi alliance be in chaos if they can simply say "hey dude, you cant do this and that so your a clone..so im gonna kill you now "
They needed naruto's aid to figure out which is which because, as vast as their intel division was, they couldnt pinpoint the fake from the real thing.

Pls bro, answer me with proof intact ok?



You turn bro.

What I said was FACT!!! Its not up for debate, at all period.

Yes the Zetsu was able to use Kisame's water techs, why wouldn't he be able to!? I never said the Zetsu clone substitute could not use the elemental attacks of the original.

That's not the same as being able to use the KG of the original. It's obvious that if you copy someones chakra then you will also inherit their chakra nature. KG on the other hand is only gained by your clans bloodlines or transplant. Blood and chakra are different bro.

I don't make assumptions, go look in the data book or Narutopedia and it will clearly state that Zetsu's substitute clone cannot copy KG only it's appearance.

 

[Killer Vision]

What I said was FACT!!! Its not up for debate, at all period.

Yes the Zetsu was able to use Kisame's water techs, why wouldn't he be able to!? I never said the Zetsu clone substitute could not use the elemental attacks of the original.

That's not the same as being able to use the KG of the original. It's obvious that if you copy someones chakra then you will also inherit their chakra nature. KG on the other hand is only gained by your clans bloodlines or transplant. Blood and chakra are different bro.

I don't make assumptions, go look in the data book or Narutopedia and it will clearly state that Zetsu's substitute clone cannot copy KG only it's appearance.

Could you read my post again? i never said that the Zetsu was able to use KG. what i said was it can copy the tech of the host.
Fact? ill give you 1. teleportation jutsu is not KG.

Are you implying that if the Zetsu clones were able to use teleportation tech via tobi's form, it wouldnt be a problem?
Tobi fought minato with basically teleportation tech alone and it took a HOKAGE to bring him down.
now your feeling your own argument against you.