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Read it, and although it does seem useless, it could have its uses. Shall I list them to you, or should I just analyse it?
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Do what you think you should. I don't have template formats for training that is this niche.
I too think there are uses, you can list them if you want, but if you read the technique carefully you see it only shrinks. And there is no growing technique. It is in a sense irreversible shrinking. Shrinking itself it useful, but this technique is not that useful. You could shrink a large summon to have it ride on your shoulders to perform techniques, this would be most suited for toads that can use elemental techniques.
I too think there are uses, you can list them if you want, but if you read the technique carefully you see it only shrinks. And there is no growing technique. It is in a sense irreversible shrinking. Shrinking itself it useful, but this technique is not that useful. You could shrink a large summon to have it ride on your shoulders to perform techniques, this would be most suited for toads that can use elemental techniques.
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Indeed, I was basically thinking that it would make the summon more versatile, especially if it could use Elemental Techniques, or the one that uses Genjutsu. Smaller is good for creating distractions too,and avoid techniques but bad for well, everything else. Funny that you stated the part that the Toads can't be re-sized again, thought about it too z,z
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(Ai no Uchi) – Smack of Love
Rank: C-Rank/A-Rank
Type: Offensive
Range: Short/Long
Chakra cost: 10/30
Damage points: 20/60
Description: Gamariki and Gama stretches his tongue out of his mouth, and then delivers a single, powerful blow that makes the target hit the ground and stop their movement
Note: Can only be performed by Gamariki or Gamabunta. When used by the former, the ability is A-Rank
This is a just a smack of the tongue. It is essentially weak against fire, wind, and lightning, since the tongue is living flesh. It's basically toad taijutsu. I think concept wise it is a cool technique, but I wouldn't want my summons tongue cut by a lightning spear and force it to disperse. Use it at your own risk. It is a decent technique to slap away earth or water.
Rank: C-Rank/A-Rank
Type: Offensive
Range: Short/Long
Chakra cost: 10/30
Damage points: 20/60
Description: Gamariki and Gama stretches his tongue out of his mouth, and then delivers a single, powerful blow that makes the target hit the ground and stop their movement
Note: Can only be performed by Gamariki or Gamabunta. When used by the former, the ability is A-Rank
This is a just a smack of the tongue. It is essentially weak against fire, wind, and lightning, since the tongue is living flesh. It's basically toad taijutsu. I think concept wise it is a cool technique, but I wouldn't want my summons tongue cut by a lightning spear and force it to disperse. Use it at your own risk. It is a decent technique to slap away earth or water.
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I like that it bases its rank on which Toad uses it lol, this makes it more realistic anyway as Gamabunta's would be huge in size. It can also be used against a person, stopping their movement of even using it right after an opponent is caught in a Genjutsu that paralyses them. Simple technique overall, yet still useful. It can also be blasted up to Long range, but that also makes it easy to counter as it probably follows a linear pattern due to the lack of information that it is versatile.
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(Katon: Endan) – Fire release: Flame Bullet
Rank: C
Type: Offensive
Range: Short – Mid
Chakra cost: 15
Damage points: 30
Description: Fire Release: Flame bullet is made by the user gathering oil in their mouth, which is created by their chakra, and then they spit it out igniting it. This technique is a simple flame bullet shot at the enemy but comprised of hot burning oil.
Note: Must know Toad summoning contract to use.
A fire ball. It starts out as oil but then you ignite it. All in all, it's is ultimately just a C-rank fireball. It has the same strengths and weaknesses. Even though oil and water don't mix, it still absorbs the energy of the oil, and the ignited oil is still fueled by wind. Though I assume it would be strong against paper since it is made of oil unlike normal fire. But other than that, I assume you know enough to not need me to further explain such a simple technique.
Rank: C
Type: Offensive
Range: Short – Mid
Chakra cost: 15
Damage points: 30
Description: Fire Release: Flame bullet is made by the user gathering oil in their mouth, which is created by their chakra, and then they spit it out igniting it. This technique is a simple flame bullet shot at the enemy but comprised of hot burning oil.
Note: Must know Toad summoning contract to use.
A fire ball. It starts out as oil but then you ignite it. All in all, it's is ultimately just a C-rank fireball. It has the same strengths and weaknesses. Even though oil and water don't mix, it still absorbs the energy of the oil, and the ignited oil is still fueled by wind. Though I assume it would be strong against paper since it is made of oil unlike normal fire. But other than that, I assume you know enough to not need me to further explain such a simple technique.
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Its basically a combination move, one where one combines the Oil of the Toad and Fire, which creates a bullet of flame made of hot oil. And thanks for pointing out that the strengths and weaknesses would still be the same, cause I was wondering about that. Other than that, it is indeed very simple and weak in nature, but nice to use if you want to showcase some Toad usage in a battle test or so. I have no questions on it.
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(Gamayudan) - Toad Oil Projectile
Rank: C
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost: 15
Damage Points: N/A (30 if ignited)
Description: After gathering oil in their mouth, the user can spit the oil at their opponent. The consistency of the oil can then hinder the movement of the opponent until removed but is main danger is that its very easily flammable.
Note: Can only be used by Toads and signers of the Toad Contract
This is basically the raw version of the technique above. You just spew out a blob of oil. It doesn't do any damage unless it is ignited. It is easily flammable so an explosive tag would suffice, but fire or lightning techniques would also work. It can be used to drench your opponent in oil so if they try to use lightning or fire they'll send themselves up in flames, or just as a raw attack, though in the case of the latter using the previous technique would be better. There are other uses since this is a supplementary technique, but those uses depend on one's fighting style and creativity. I can't help you on that. I can just tell you it is a useful blob of oil.
Rank: C
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost: 15
Damage Points: N/A (30 if ignited)
Description: After gathering oil in their mouth, the user can spit the oil at their opponent. The consistency of the oil can then hinder the movement of the opponent until removed but is main danger is that its very easily flammable.
Note: Can only be used by Toads and signers of the Toad Contract
This is basically the raw version of the technique above. You just spew out a blob of oil. It doesn't do any damage unless it is ignited. It is easily flammable so an explosive tag would suffice, but fire or lightning techniques would also work. It can be used to drench your opponent in oil so if they try to use lightning or fire they'll send themselves up in flames, or just as a raw attack, though in the case of the latter using the previous technique would be better. There are other uses since this is a supplementary technique, but those uses depend on one's fighting style and creativity. I can't help you on that. I can just tell you it is a useful blob of oil.
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I actually like this because I have a technique that goes well with it. So you basically get the ability to spew a blob of Oil at the opponent, which can then drench the opponent and make him highly flammable. Would be pretty cool to use when the opponent is limited to using Fire (some modes do this) and could actually cause them to kill themselves. Supplementary in nature, but helpful if you have the right arsenal or the right moment comes up.
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(Gamagakure no Jutsu) - Hiding in a Toad technique
Rank: C
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 15
Damage points: N/A
Description: The user summons a special diving toad (moguri gama) from mount Myōboku and then the user will hide in its stomache. The frog is capable of diving very deep in fresh water. The frog's stomach has a special barrier which obstructs chakra, protecting the user from sensory-type ninja.
Note: Must know Toad summoning contract.
So you hide instead of a toad after summoning it. It is both useful and useless. Even if you are inside the toad and you cannot be sensed, the toad can still be sensed, and judging the kind of sensing in some cases you can be sensed even inside the toad. Then the toad would just be stomped and you can't do anything. So use at your own risk if your opponent can detect the toad since you are pretty much defenseless. But it is useful cause you could hide clones in the toad and what not and throw the toad at your opponent and make the clones come out for a surprise attack, but yeah, you have to really play your cards right to pull it off. Not saying that it can't be done, but some of the more extravagant uses are a bit out there.
Rank: C
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 15
Damage points: N/A
Description: The user summons a special diving toad (moguri gama) from mount Myōboku and then the user will hide in its stomache. The frog is capable of diving very deep in fresh water. The frog's stomach has a special barrier which obstructs chakra, protecting the user from sensory-type ninja.
Note: Must know Toad summoning contract.
So you hide instead of a toad after summoning it. It is both useful and useless. Even if you are inside the toad and you cannot be sensed, the toad can still be sensed, and judging the kind of sensing in some cases you can be sensed even inside the toad. Then the toad would just be stomped and you can't do anything. So use at your own risk if your opponent can detect the toad since you are pretty much defenseless. But it is useful cause you could hide clones in the toad and what not and throw the toad at your opponent and make the clones come out for a surprise attack, but yeah, you have to really play your cards right to pull it off. Not saying that it can't be done, but some of the more extravagant uses are a bit out there.
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Its as you say, and probably best used in a RP manner. Though against an opponent with no sensory, it would be pretty useful, but with all the meta gaming going on these days, its risky as hell. And I like the tactic you just gave, and I think someone has done that before in a test, where he hid a clone inside it, lightened the Toad with that Earth technique and literally threw it towards the proctor. Though there are some other uses I could think up, one should think ahead before using this technique. Overall, its a fast technique, and could be used quite nicely in the Ninja World and sometimes in battle.
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(Kuchiyose: Bodīsuramu no Jutsu) - Summoning: Body Slam Technique
Rank: B
Type: Offensive
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra cost: 20
Damage points: 40
Description: The user will quickly summon a generic, human sized, warrior toad that slams into the target dealing heavy damage. The toad is human sized and brings with him a katana. Upon being summoned the toad already carries momentum towards the target, making this a very fast technique. Once it hits the target or is countered, he disperses.
Note: Can only be summoned by signers of the Toad Contract
A hilarious technique if I must say so myself. How does the toad already have momentum? Is the toad running around at all times then when summoned uses that momentum? Does the summoning push a toad that randomly got summoned toward an opponent? Who knows. What we know is that a toad get summoned that is as big as a average human so about five and a half feet, and has a sword. It slams into the target and probably can use the sword to deal damage by transferring momentum into the arms and slashing. It is ephemeral as the toad is basically a suicide technique. I find it a funny technique all in all, not that hard to understand. The toad itself has no special properties, and the momentum works up to mid-range, but that toad is definitely dying. It's is a useful technique as it will draw a certain type of predictable response from your opponent, evade or overpower, that can be used as a starting point for a strategy but not effective since it's a telegraphed move that in itself won't turn the tides of the battle.
Rank: B
Type: Offensive
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra cost: 20
Damage points: 40
Description: The user will quickly summon a generic, human sized, warrior toad that slams into the target dealing heavy damage. The toad is human sized and brings with him a katana. Upon being summoned the toad already carries momentum towards the target, making this a very fast technique. Once it hits the target or is countered, he disperses.
Note: Can only be summoned by signers of the Toad Contract
A hilarious technique if I must say so myself. How does the toad already have momentum? Is the toad running around at all times then when summoned uses that momentum? Does the summoning push a toad that randomly got summoned toward an opponent? Who knows. What we know is that a toad get summoned that is as big as a average human so about five and a half feet, and has a sword. It slams into the target and probably can use the sword to deal damage by transferring momentum into the arms and slashing. It is ephemeral as the toad is basically a suicide technique. I find it a funny technique all in all, not that hard to understand. The toad itself has no special properties, and the momentum works up to mid-range, but that toad is definitely dying. It's is a useful technique as it will draw a certain type of predictable response from your opponent, evade or overpower, that can be used as a starting point for a strategy but not effective since it's a telegraphed move that in itself won't turn the tides of the battle.
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Lmao, yeah. It's a pretty cool technique overall, since it could basically push the opponent back with great force, dealing both blunt force and can even cut the opponent. I like how the technique says that it is up to Mid range, meaning this Toad must move forward with great speed, and can even be used as a distraction. I mean, a sudden Toad that just pops up, and runs towards the opponent, in this window of time, one could use something that comes from behind the opponent. I think I'll use this a lot lol.
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If something comes from behind the opponent and the opponent goes up doesn't that mean the toad get stabbed? Funny technique as I mentioned before, but if you want the opponent to go up, I guess a toad is a small price to pay.
(Kuchiyose: Yatai Kuzushi no Jutsu) – Summoning: Food Cart Destroyer Technique
Rank: B
Type: Offensive
Range: Short – Long
Chakra cost: 20
Damage points: 40
Description: The user summons Gamahiro above the target, crushing whatever is beneath him when he falls to the ground.
Note: Must know Toad Summoning contract and counts as summoning Gamahiro into the field.
One of the more useful techniques, it summons a toad right on top of your opponent. The size of Gamahiro combined with the location of the summoning makes it a very good sneak attack and almost always forces the opponent to respond to it offensively if it is completed. This is mostly because it is a summoning as well, so simply avoiding it means the summoning then attack the opponent. It's a good technique to force the opponent's hand, but against can easily be blocked by just cutting the toad in half with a lightning spear or just using a wind technique that can blast huge summons away to send it flying. It's again a good technique, but puts the toad in a precarious position.
(Kuchiyose: Yatai Kuzushi no Jutsu) – Summoning: Food Cart Destroyer Technique
Rank: B
Type: Offensive
Range: Short – Long
Chakra cost: 20
Damage points: 40
Description: The user summons Gamahiro above the target, crushing whatever is beneath him when he falls to the ground.
Note: Must know Toad Summoning contract and counts as summoning Gamahiro into the field.
One of the more useful techniques, it summons a toad right on top of your opponent. The size of Gamahiro combined with the location of the summoning makes it a very good sneak attack and almost always forces the opponent to respond to it offensively if it is completed. This is mostly because it is a summoning as well, so simply avoiding it means the summoning then attack the opponent. It's a good technique to force the opponent's hand, but against can easily be blocked by just cutting the toad in half with a lightning spear or just using a wind technique that can blast huge summons away to send it flying. It's again a good technique, but puts the toad in a precarious position.
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That was the idea, yeah lmao.
Yeah, I like this technique because its the perfect technique to use when you want to corner the opponent. Or it can even just be used as distraction, so you could possibly use another technique in the mean time, whilst the opponent deals with said Toad falling from above him. Its nice to showcase some Toad prowess too, I always see it being used in Toad SM tests. It also bring Gamahiro to the field, meaning it isn't a waste of a move, but rather a cool entrance which can cause damage. One could probably even make Gamahiro release something himself as he falls down, making it even more difficult to counter when the Toad falls onto the opponent. I like the technique very much.
Yeah, I like this technique because its the perfect technique to use when you want to corner the opponent. Or it can even just be used as distraction, so you could possibly use another technique in the mean time, whilst the opponent deals with said Toad falling from above him. Its nice to showcase some Toad prowess too, I always see it being used in Toad SM tests. It also bring Gamahiro to the field, meaning it isn't a waste of a move, but rather a cool entrance which can cause damage. One could probably even make Gamahiro release something himself as he falls down, making it even more difficult to counter when the Toad falls onto the opponent. I like the technique very much.
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(Kuchiyose: Assai Gama Ibukuru) – Summoning: Crushing Toad Stomach
Rank: A
Type: Offensive
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra cost: 30
Damage points: N/A
Description: This technique bears resemblance to the Summoning: Toad mouth bind technique. However instead of warping the battlefield into the digestive tracks of a giant toad, the user reverse summons themselves and their opponents into the stomach of a giant toad and captures and isolates the target/s inside the stomach, cutting them off from allies and immobilizing their movements while the stomache starts crushing the opponent/s to death.
A pretty good technique I would say. It is a reverse summoning technique that transports both you and the opponent into the stomach of a giant toad. The flesh wraps around them and what not, the basic stuff. The most important aspect of the technique is that it is pseudo-space time and essentially would allow you to avoid anything as long as you can performs the seals fast enough since it takes you away from the current battlefield. The stomach of the toad can of course be destroyed and this would signal a reverse summoning back to the normal battlefield. Of course, if the opponent escapes in any other way, maybe they use some kind of space time transmission then you need to destroy the toad yourself or use a summoning tech to get out of there. But there are very few transportation techniques so that's just worst case scenario.
Rank: A
Type: Offensive
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra cost: 30
Damage points: N/A
Description: This technique bears resemblance to the Summoning: Toad mouth bind technique. However instead of warping the battlefield into the digestive tracks of a giant toad, the user reverse summons themselves and their opponents into the stomach of a giant toad and captures and isolates the target/s inside the stomach, cutting them off from allies and immobilizing their movements while the stomache starts crushing the opponent/s to death.
A pretty good technique I would say. It is a reverse summoning technique that transports both you and the opponent into the stomach of a giant toad. The flesh wraps around them and what not, the basic stuff. The most important aspect of the technique is that it is pseudo-space time and essentially would allow you to avoid anything as long as you can performs the seals fast enough since it takes you away from the current battlefield. The stomach of the toad can of course be destroyed and this would signal a reverse summoning back to the normal battlefield. Of course, if the opponent escapes in any other way, maybe they use some kind of space time transmission then you need to destroy the toad yourself or use a summoning tech to get out of there. But there are very few transportation techniques so that's just worst case scenario.
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Faced this one in battle before, and it was pretty easy to escape cause I had Minato z,z Its fairly useful to be honest, and I see myself using this in an elaborate setup. The thing is, this technique takes you with the opponent into the stomach, which allows you to still corner the opponent inside there, with a technique whilst the Toad's stomach crushes him as per description. Overall a cool technique, but like you said, best not to use it against an opponent who can use Space Time techniques.
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(Futon: Gamayudan) – Wind Release: Toad Oil Bullet
Rank: B
Type: Offensive
Range: Short – Long
Chakra cost: 20
Damage points: 40
Description: Wind Release: Toad Oil Bullet is a synchronized elemental combination technique with the user and Gamatatsu. It is a wind natured upgrade to Toad Oil Bullet technique. To set up for this technique the user must stand behind or atop Gamatatsu and focus their wind chakra whilst Gamatatsu focuses his chakra with oil in his mouth and then releases the oil combined with the user channelling the wind chakra through Gamatatsu, creating a powerful and fast stream of toad oil, which then spreads to cover a larger area but maintaining a powerful striking force due to the wind chakra.
Note: Can only be used with Gamatatsu and know toad-summoning contract.
(Futon: Gamayu Endan) – Wind Release: Toad Oil Flame Bullet
Rank: A
Type: Offensive
Range: Short – Long
Chakra cost: 30
Damage points: 60
Description: Wind Release: Toad oil Flame Bullet is a three-way synchronized collaboration jutsu between the user, Gamatatsu and Gamakichi. It is an expansion of the Wind Release: Toad Oil Bullet technique. After the user enhances the Gamatatsu Toad oil bullet with their wind chakra, Gamakichi adds Fire Style: Flame Bullet technique to ignite the oil. The wind chakra not only increases the coverage and distance of the oil but also adds power to the flame and was strong enough to even push back the 3 tailed beast.
Note: Can only be used with Gamatatsu and Gamakichi and know toad-summoning contract.
Both are combination techniques and are honestly the same technique. The first technique you spew oil with wind infused in it. It is basically just a stream of oil. It has a B-rank impact force so it can push things like water which is not miscible up to B-rank and similar situations. It would not be smart to use it against fire techniques. It would play on par with wind techniques due to the wind infused and the thick nature of the oil. The second technique is the exact same except the oil stream is ignited by Gamakichi who can use fire techniques. This increase the power by one rank and adds a burning/heat aspect to the technique. It still has its brute impact force since it can push back a tailed beast, but it is also ignited oil so now it can overcome things like wind and combat fire. It was still be neutralized by water which can absorb the heat.
Rank: B
Type: Offensive
Range: Short – Long
Chakra cost: 20
Damage points: 40
Description: Wind Release: Toad Oil Bullet is a synchronized elemental combination technique with the user and Gamatatsu. It is a wind natured upgrade to Toad Oil Bullet technique. To set up for this technique the user must stand behind or atop Gamatatsu and focus their wind chakra whilst Gamatatsu focuses his chakra with oil in his mouth and then releases the oil combined with the user channelling the wind chakra through Gamatatsu, creating a powerful and fast stream of toad oil, which then spreads to cover a larger area but maintaining a powerful striking force due to the wind chakra.
Note: Can only be used with Gamatatsu and know toad-summoning contract.
(Futon: Gamayu Endan) – Wind Release: Toad Oil Flame Bullet
Rank: A
Type: Offensive
Range: Short – Long
Chakra cost: 30
Damage points: 60
Description: Wind Release: Toad oil Flame Bullet is a three-way synchronized collaboration jutsu between the user, Gamatatsu and Gamakichi. It is an expansion of the Wind Release: Toad Oil Bullet technique. After the user enhances the Gamatatsu Toad oil bullet with their wind chakra, Gamakichi adds Fire Style: Flame Bullet technique to ignite the oil. The wind chakra not only increases the coverage and distance of the oil but also adds power to the flame and was strong enough to even push back the 3 tailed beast.
Note: Can only be used with Gamatatsu and Gamakichi and know toad-summoning contract.
Both are combination techniques and are honestly the same technique. The first technique you spew oil with wind infused in it. It is basically just a stream of oil. It has a B-rank impact force so it can push things like water which is not miscible up to B-rank and similar situations. It would not be smart to use it against fire techniques. It would play on par with wind techniques due to the wind infused and the thick nature of the oil. The second technique is the exact same except the oil stream is ignited by Gamakichi who can use fire techniques. This increase the power by one rank and adds a burning/heat aspect to the technique. It still has its brute impact force since it can push back a tailed beast, but it is also ignited oil so now it can overcome things like wind and combat fire. It was still be neutralized by water which can absorb the heat.
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Both are pretty useful in different scenarios. The first one, is best used when you want to set up the opponent with a Fire technique afterwards, or make it dangerous for him to use a Fire technique that comes from him, since it will ignite as the Oil would be all around him. It also makes the opponent quite predictable, since you know they'll most likely use a Water technique to counter it, so one could even set it up better than that. Really useful in terms of a blunt impact technique. It also works up to Long range, which is always a plus.
Second technique is more powerful, but it does require two Toads on the field, which isn't always a smart thing. It also makes you a bigger target for more widespread techniques. Its also up to Long range, and has both destructive and blunt impact capabilities. Both are great techniques, but very situational.
Second technique is more powerful, but it does require two Toads on the field, which isn't always a smart thing. It also makes you a bigger target for more widespread techniques. Its also up to Long range, and has both destructive and blunt impact capabilities. Both are great techniques, but very situational.
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(Futon: Gama Teppo) – Wind Release: Toad Gun
Rank: A
Type: Offensive
Range: Short – Long
Chakra cost: 30
Damage points: 60
Description: Wind Release: Toad Gun is a two-way collaboration jutsu with Gamatatsu. It is a wind upgrade version of water style: water gun technique. To set up this technique the user has to be standing on top or behind Gamatatsu moulding their wind chakra and Gamatatsu concentrates his water chakra in his mouth and then by releasing both chakra at the same time by channelling the wind chakra through Gamatatsu it creates a powerful and fast stream of water, which eventually spreads out to cover a much larger area but maintaining a powerful striking force due to the wind chakra.
Note: Can only be used with Gamatatsu and Know toad summoning contract.
Again a combination technique, it is really similar to the oil spewing technique. Gamatatsu releases water instead of oil this time and you add wind chakra to it. It is stronger due to having complementing elements working together rather than just the wind pushing the oil. It is A-rank in strength but far inferior to ordinary A-rank water techniques. I don't normally recommend this as you'd be forced to work with your toad instead of working alongside your toad. An effective technique but I wouldn't say practical.
Rank: A
Type: Offensive
Range: Short – Long
Chakra cost: 30
Damage points: 60
Description: Wind Release: Toad Gun is a two-way collaboration jutsu with Gamatatsu. It is a wind upgrade version of water style: water gun technique. To set up this technique the user has to be standing on top or behind Gamatatsu moulding their wind chakra and Gamatatsu concentrates his water chakra in his mouth and then by releasing both chakra at the same time by channelling the wind chakra through Gamatatsu it creates a powerful and fast stream of water, which eventually spreads out to cover a much larger area but maintaining a powerful striking force due to the wind chakra.
Note: Can only be used with Gamatatsu and Know toad summoning contract.
Again a combination technique, it is really similar to the oil spewing technique. Gamatatsu releases water instead of oil this time and you add wind chakra to it. It is stronger due to having complementing elements working together rather than just the wind pushing the oil. It is A-rank in strength but far inferior to ordinary A-rank water techniques. I don't normally recommend this as you'd be forced to work with your toad instead of working alongside your toad. An effective technique but I wouldn't say practical.