Toad Sage Mode vs Dragon Sage Mode

[HENI]

Which one is better? Discuss

I think TSM is better

 

[Itachi of the Uchiha clan]

dragon sage mode solo's

 

[Dantе]

You gonna put some points to debate on or nah?

 

[HENI]

You gonna put some points to debate on or nah?

Ninjutsu, Genjutsu, Taijutsu, Durability

 

[Im Still Robin]

DSM rekt instantly...that alone is the 5th closes to Sages power without rinnegan.

1st is Madara/Kaguya
2nd Obito's incomplete form
3rd Naruto's form
4th Kakashi's
5th DSM

 

[Dantе]

Ninjutsu, Genjutsu, Taijutsu, Durability

Ninjutsu: DSM>TSM
Genjutsu: DSM>TSM
Taijutsu: DSM>TSM
Durability: DSM>TSM

 

[HENI]

Ninjutsu: DSM>TSM
Genjutsu: DSM>TSM
Taijutsu: DSM>TSM
Durability: DSM>TSM

i think not. DMS can't pick up giant things

 

[Im Still Robin]

i think not. DMS can't pick up giant things

Not confirmed.

 

[Psy]

DSM is miles ahead of TSM in my opinion. It gives the advantage of blocking out visual genjutsu via transparent eyelids, and gives a better chance of reacting. The speed is pretty good as well. The only thing I see Toad Sage Mode better at is durability and strength.

 

[Gerkak]

The truth is DSM kabuto>TSM naruto.

The enhancements kabuto has, have almost nothing to do with DSM. Healing factor is uzumaki DNA, natural energy absorbtion is juugo DNA, liquidation is suigetsu DNA and the rest are the sound 5 powers. The only thing DSM granted kabuto was snake eyelid thing, threat perception and horns.

Based on that TSM>DSM

 

[Alfred Pennyworth]

DSM : reduced reaction time , visual genjutsu proof eyelids , tail , horns , white rage ,muki tensei, sensing

TSM: reduced reaction time , increased physical strength / jutsu power , frog kata , sensing

I think in terms of offensive power , TSM takes this , while DSM gives users more strategic advantages

 

[ShiroT]

The truth is DSM kabuto>TSM naruto.

The enhancements kabuto has, have almost nothing to do with DSM. Healing factor is uzumaki DNA, natural energy absorbtion is juugo DNA, liquidation is suigetsu DNA and the rest are the sound 5 powers. The only thing DSM granted kabuto was snake eyelid thing, threat perception and horns.

Based on that TSM>DSM

no, kabuto also has the white rage and inorganic attack which are sage mode specific.

i think not. DMS can't pick up giant things

all sage mode users get a boast in strength

 

[Gerkak]

no, kabuto also has the white rage and inorganic attack which are sage mode specific.

And what is SM kabuto without his bio enhancements going to do against this

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See, my point is based on pure sage art feats, TSM>DSM

But overall DSM kabuto>TSM naruto.

 

[Punk Hazard]

And what is SM kabuto without his bio enhancements going to do against this

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See, my point is based on pure sage art feats, TSM>DSM

But overall DSM kabuto>TSM naruto.

Make the earth around Naruto switch positions with Inorganic Reanimation. Naruto loses his foothold and the Rasenshuriken falls either on him or next to him, detonating and causing his own attack to damage him. Or White Rage that accomplishes the same thing.

 

[Gerkak]

Make the earth around Naruto switch positions with Inorganic Reanimation. Naruto loses his foothold and the Rasenshuriken falls either on him or next to him, detonating and causing his own attack to damage him. Or White Rage that accomplishes the same thing.

Naruto has threat perception from SM he will be able to react to it. An explosion from that attack puts both naruto and kabuto at risk. It's not like kabuto is going to get away unscathed.

White rane is a possibility but unlike susnaoo, once FRS is created it doesn't need to be sustained continuously. If the white rage causes an explosion to occur then both naruto and kabuto would suffer incredible damage.

 

[Draphsin]

TSM Takes it.

- More strength

- More durability

- Frog kata

- Summon collaborations [frog song]

The only reason why DSM was worth mentioning was because kabuto had a near infinite supply of senjutsu chakra & multiple enhancements, other than that he was just a nerfed SM naruto with visual genjutsu resistance [which all sages have due to sensing]. Although I will admit that muki tensei is interesting, however it's not enough to surpass the feats shown by TSM.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Naruto has threat perception from SM he will be able to react to it. An explosion from that attack puts both naruto and kabuto at risk. It's not like kabuto is going to get away unscathed

And how is Naruto gonna stop Inorganic Reanimation? Naruto has threat perception, but it won't tell him what the threat is. It wouldn't tell him to jump or how to avoid the Inorganic Reanimation?

 

[Gerkak]

And how is Naruto gonna stop Inorganic Reanimation? Naruto has threat perception, but it won't tell him what the threat is. It wouldn't tell him to jump or how to avoid the Inorganic Reanimation?

Threat perception is directional. He can tell when and from where the threat is coming from and avoid it. Knowing the nature of the threat in this case is not required. Kabuto's fight against itachi and sasuke is a perfect example of that. Kabuto avoids the threats by simply pinpointing their direction and avoiding them. One could say it is similar to spider sense, though spider sense is still better.

 

[ShiroT]

Naruto has threat perception from SM he will be able to react to it. An explosion from that attack puts both naruto and kabuto at risk. It's not like kabuto is going to get away unscathed.

White range is a possibility but unlike susnaoo, once FRS is created it doesn't need to be sustained continuously. If the white rage causes an explosion to occur then both naruto and kabuto would suffer incredible damage.

no, the explosion isnt that big and naruto only creates it from a distance(before leaping at the enemy) if it detonates it would be no where near kabuto

 

[Punk Hazard]

Threat perception is directional. He can tell when and from where the threat is coming from and avoid it. Knowing the nature of the threat in this case is not required. Kabuto's fight against itachi and sasuke is a perfect example of that. Kabuto avoids the threats by simply pinpointing their direction and avoiding them. One could say it is similar to spider sense, though spider sense is still better.

Inorganic Reanimation is a threat coming from all around. The only place Naruto can go is up. Now, Kabuto also has heightened perception, he can tell Naruto is gonna move, track his move and launch a White Rage at him while he's moving up. Distracted by his thought process to jump, and having nowhere to go while in the air, he's an open target.