To the people that said i was wrong about kakashi and obito's eye
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Re: To the idiots that said i was wrong about kakashi and obito's eye
I'll instance my answer from that thread into this one.
Now, let me ask you: Why are you treating me as an idiot? Are you high? :|
Dear novacore:On my last post:You must be registered for see links
i talked about how obito and kakashi can use the same ability of kamui.
That is, kakashi can teleport himself in and out of the dimension, and obito can use the long range kamui, as proven by the manga page on my last post when he deflected kakashi's kamui on the statue.
On my last post people denied this, and there was one that denied obito could use it long range when there was proof right in their face that he cancelled it from afar, let alone proof of the other claim that kakashi could use kamui to teleport himself like obito.
everyone claimed it was just a way to negate the other eye, and its an original power pertaining to each individual eye like amaterasu...
well this weeks chapter proved that wrong.
we learned that the right eye (obito's) is actually containing the power to slip through things. It is a different ability than interdimensional transportation, as seen in the scans i provide below.
That is the special power of the right eye. To phase his body through objects. Madara states this himself.
Burn retard kids for your ignorance. BURN!
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Untamed
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SixPathsofTobi
chibakuu tensei
hirudora
Takos
6pathsofkami
uzumakisan
thank you.
I'll instance my answer from that thread into this one.
As I put your point of view under the list of possibilities, I could say that I accepted your answer as plausible.
Now, let me ask you: Why are you treating me as an idiot? Are you high? :|
Re: To the idiots that said i was wrong about kakashi and obito's eye
actually, i added you to that list because Obito actually does have the chakra for that. He has his chakra, and senju cells and rinnegan. He has lasted this whole war, controlling jinchurikis and their bijuu all at the same time, fighting against multiple high level ninja including naruto, gai, kakashi, sasuke, shinobi alliance, etc. And you say he does not have enough chakra to transport one bijuu at least at a time? Thats bs.
Re: To the idiots that said i was wrong about kakashi and obito's eye
It seems you are frustrated but i would be too if i was in this much denial. Just read the manga and my proven facts show by the scans i posted. Although i guess that wont help because i assume you read both my posts and still don't understand. so there is no hope for you. sorry.
Re: To the idiots that said i was wrong about kakashi and obito's eye
And here's a flaw in your first thread. What if Obito didn't cancel Kakashi's kamui from the real world but from the dimensional world. Like he just kamui'd it back from the pocket dimension into the real world. /thread
And here's a flaw in your first thread. What if Obito didn't cancel Kakashi's kamui from the real world but from the dimensional world. Like he just kamui'd it back from the pocket dimension into the real world. /thread
Re: To the idiots that said i was wrong about kakashi and obito's eye
I couldn't say accurately if novacore is right or wrong, because we don't know how Kamui exactly works. But there is a thing for sure: Even if his possibility is inside the bounds of plausible, we can't say that long-distance Kamui = Kamui cancel, because there is no definite proof supporting this.
Re: To the idiots that said i was wrong about kakashi and obito's eye
Kid, I really suggest you get your head out of your butt and listen when someone is trying to help you. Obito doesn't "phase through objects". And he does not become transparent. Obito has the ability to send parts of an object to the other dimension without harming them, that is why he can give the appearance that he can "phase through you". It is still teleportation, he can just teleport both his entire body as well as parts of it. That is the original power of the right eye, to successfully teleport portions of an object while keeping the remaining in the real world.
Kakashi can only teleport his entire body. When he tries to teleport only a portions of an object, the result is what happened with Diedara, he rips the object in half as opposed to keeping it intact like Obito can. If Kakashi were to attempt to teleport a portion of his own body like Obito does, he would likely kill himself. So Kakashi can only teleport objects in their entirety. However he can teleport objects to the other dimension without having to touch them. Obito can not do this, as he doesn't have a long range kamui.
Now really pay attention, because is where your problem lies kid. Obito didn't do a long range kamui on the gedo statue. Obito can't send objects to the other dimension without touching them, but since both he and kakashi share the same dimension, he can bring an object out of the other dimension from any distance without having to touch them. It's the same logic that applies when he uses his kamui shuriken attack. Naturally, he's not touching the shuriken because they are in the other dimension, but he can bring them out and throw them at you at will if he chooses.
So now relating that to the Gedo statue, while Kakashi used his kamui to put the gedo statue's head in the other dimension, Obito simply brought the head back out simultaneously, effectively "cancelling out" what Kakashi was doing. He didn't use kamui long range in the real world. He can not do that, and has never been shown to do that. He just used what always his ability to bring things out of the other dimension if he so chooses.
Now that I've explained this to you in full detail, cut this silly shit out before you embarrass yourself further
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Kid, I really suggest you get your head out of your butt and listen when someone is trying to help you. Obito doesn't "phase through objects". And he does not become transparent. Obito has the ability to send parts of an object to the other dimension without harming them, that is why he can give the appearance that he can "phase through you". It is still teleportation, he can just teleport both his entire body as well as parts of it. That is the original power of the right eye, to successfully teleport portions of an object while keeping the remaining in the real world.
Kakashi can only teleport his entire body. When he tries to teleport only a portions of an object, the result is what happened with Diedara, he rips the object in half as opposed to keeping it intact like Obito can. If Kakashi were to attempt to teleport a portion of his own body like Obito does, he would likely kill himself. So Kakashi can only teleport objects in their entirety. However he can teleport objects to the other dimension without having to touch them. Obito can not do this, as he doesn't have a long range kamui.
Now really pay attention, because is where your problem lies kid. Obito didn't do a long range kamui on the gedo statue. Obito can't send objects to the other dimension without touching them, but since both he and kakashi share the same dimension, he can bring an object out of the other dimension from any distance without having to touch them. It's the same logic that applies when he uses his kamui shuriken attack. Naturally, he's not touching the shuriken because they are in the other dimension, but he can bring them out and throw them at you at will if he chooses.
So now relating that to the Gedo statue, while Kakashi used his kamui to put the gedo statue's head in the other dimension, Obito simply brought the head back out simultaneously, effectively "cancelling out" what Kakashi was doing. He didn't use kamui long range in the real world. He can not do that, and has never been shown to do that. He just used what always his ability to bring things out of the other dimension if he so chooses.
Now that I've explained this to you in full detail, cut this silly shit out before you embarrass yourself further
Re: To the idiots that said i was wrong about kakashi and obito's eye
My respects, dear sir. At least you know well about Kamui, and you got decent backup.
It's all right. Even so, right now, I don't know well about that technique.
Re: To the idiots that said i was wrong about kakashi and obito's eye
That is a whole lot of assumption without any proof to back it up. Please show me where that is proven. "What if" is what you said. That makes it not a "flaw" in my thread and further solidifies my thread's integrity based off the actual proof i've shown.
I'm afraid you have interpreted things wrong.
To you I pose one question.
If obito can simply pass through objects/people why would he send parts of himself to the kamui dimension only to have kakashi warp narutos rasengan an thusly take damage,why did he not simply phase through it?
To you I pose one question.
If obito can simply pass through objects/people why would he send parts of himself to the kamui dimension only to have kakashi warp narutos rasengan an thusly take damage,why did he not simply phase through it?
Re: To the idiots that said i was wrong about kakashi and obito's eye
Kakashi is great at analyzing, but when madara says that the "original" ability of the "right" eye is to slip through objects, unlike kakashi, then that is whats accepted in the manga. Unlike teleportation, it is instant, true its in the other dimension, thats the weakness of slipping through objects. If it was the same as teleportation, then when madara attacked obito to get the rinnegan, obito would not have time to teleport, especially with madara's sage mode/six paths/rinnegan/base skill speed abilities. Thats just insane speed demonstrated by obito to react and slip through. Making it instant, unlike teleportation.
Re: To the idiots that said i was wrong about kakashi and obito's eye
And again, using your brain, which do you think you would have more success at doing? Moving a portion of your face away from a person simply trying to grab your face with their hand, or moving your entire body away from two attacks basically coming at you at the speed of bullets?
Kakashi's analysis was proven when he managed to hit Obito in the other dimension. So you ignoring it is you ignoring not only manga facts, but manga facts that Kishi actually took the trouble of demonstrating for you. Obito can send portions of his body to the other dimension, that gives the appearance that he's slipping through you, which is the reason for Madara's words. The fact that the portion of Obito's body that gets sent to the other dimension can still be damaged if attacked in the other dimension is proof that his body parts are not slipping through you but just simply in the other dimension.
I really do think you meant well in all this, but you really should've thought a little more before calling other members out like that. You are free to believe what you want and there's nothing I can say anymore that wouldn't be beating the same dead horse. I wish you luck in whatever it is you were trying to do with this and I hope next time you won't call other members out like you did
Dude, use your brain here. Which do you think would take longer? To move an entire body, or just a portion of your face?
And again, using your brain, which do you think you would have more success at doing? Moving a portion of your face away from a person simply trying to grab your face with their hand, or moving your entire body away from two attacks basically coming at you at the speed of bullets?
Kakashi's analysis was proven when he managed to hit Obito in the other dimension. So you ignoring it is you ignoring not only manga facts, but manga facts that Kishi actually took the trouble of demonstrating for you. Obito can send portions of his body to the other dimension, that gives the appearance that he's slipping through you, which is the reason for Madara's words. The fact that the portion of Obito's body that gets sent to the other dimension can still be damaged if attacked in the other dimension is proof that his body parts are not slipping through you but just simply in the other dimension.
I really do think you meant well in all this, but you really should've thought a little more before calling other members out like that. You are free to believe what you want and there's nothing I can say anymore that wouldn't be beating the same dead horse. I wish you luck in whatever it is you were trying to do with this and I hope next time you won't call other members out like you did
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Lightslayer
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Re: To the idiots that said i was wrong about kakashi and obito's eye
Sorry to say, but it is still teleportation. If it wasn't teleportation then how would the parts of his body that are "phased through" be in the other dimension?
Re: To the idiots that said i was wrong about kakashi and obito's eye
Like i said, if it was his teleportation technique, there would be no reason for the difference of the intangability or the teleportation, let alone the speed difference between the intagiblity or teleportation. if it was the same thing, why would he not just instant teleport rather than get attacked by madara while trying to teleport? teleportation is not instant, intagible is. When he is intangible, its like his aura is still in the main world, which is being visually seen by anyone in the real dimension, but his physical body resides in the other dimension, this is the weakness. if it was teleportation, both his non physical (spirit or w/e u want to call it) and physical self would be sent to the dimension when he becomes intangible, which it doesn't.
Yes,yes it is and its that very weakness that makes this teleportation/warping not phasing/slipping through solid matter.
Although it seems you are commited to your frame of thought and assumption on this
Lightslayer
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Re: To the idiots that said i was wrong about kakashi and obito's eye
Wow. Teleportation can be faster. When both Obito and kakashi did it. He teleported to fast for Mardara. Just admit that he can teleport small sections of his body faster then his whole body ( its like a glass of water going through a drain compared to an entire sink)
Re: To the idiots that said i was wrong about kakashi and obito's eye
im sure as you can see, even with what we have in the manga, its still hard to interpret this 100% exact. But kakashi can be both right and wrong about how obito uses kamui, especially after what madara said, it makes sense. kakashi is right about how obito's body is physically in the other dimension when he is intangible, but he is not transporting his whole body as we see. thats simple. I understand also the possibility of it being easier to send a small amount at a time, making it faster, but that is still unlikely especially after this chapter. Each jutsu has a weakness, to become intangible is to not send his full self, mind and body, to the other dimension, but to just send his physical self to the other side, which is instant, making it a different jutsu than teleportation. As stated by madara when he specifically says "original" and "right" eye. its the right eyes ability, we now know the exact difference between the left and right eye. At first we thought it was the long range/ short range, but its the fact obito can go intangible, not his mind and body, but just his physical self to the other dimension while still technically existing in the real dimension. ITS A DIFFERENT TECH! Thank you.