To the ignorant people who think itachi is guilty of his choices. (Read)

[NarutoKage2]

A prime example of a person who picks a single sentance out to respond to in an attempt to make a entire arguement seem invalid.

Indeed, there are parrels with all those who want to be punished for their sins, I figured it would make sense. Though Itachi is not as pure or devine (frankly, most of the ninja are probably not), but rather a person who made a choice for others to live on.

That being said, I never quite understood what being strung up on a cross by the Roman empire has to do with purifying us of all our sins, in the same sense that Itachis attempt at self sacrifice ironically spawned another mini Madara. Perhaps it was in that act, like many artists, that the value of the person is most apperiated after maturation, in mankind's case thats typically death.

For the love of whatever you consider 'sacred, or holy', its just a fictional manga. Please. Stop comparing it to a major world religion. It gives the impression that you are obsessed with this cartoon story, and if you're still serious with this analogy of yours than i'm afraid you need help.

 

[Wysten]

For the love of whatever you consider 'sacred, or holy', its just a fictional manga. Please. Stop comparing it to a major world religion. It gives the impression that you are obsessed with this cartoon story, and if you're still serious with this analogy of yours than i'm afraid you need help.

Hardly, just so happened I had a spare hour and had nothing more to do then to troll people by comparing a fictional character, with a real person who became more after he died via simlar fabications.

In all seriousness though, I am still mildly amused that you took the entire post out of context because I merely mentioned Jesus. Self Sacrifice is merely a story that is older then the history of mankind itself, it doesn't matter where the story came from, merely that it exists and has copied, and been copied for countless generations. Which is actually a compliment towards the story of the bible itself on how enduring it has been and how it influences current litriture, not just in Naruto, but in LOTR, Star Wars and countless other popular products as the golden standard of redemption.

 

[Helikido]

Re: To the people who think itachi is guilty of his choices. (Read)

Here's the thing, and I don't know if Kishi intended this from the very beginning or if get got caught into some kind of a trap trying to turn Itachi (a very popular character) into a secret good guy after already laying the ground-work: You don't need to massacre EVERYBODY in a clan to prevent a rebellion.

How many people were in the Uchiha clan? I don't know exact numbers, but they had a whole section of the village to themselves. Even if it were more than 50 people you would expect there to be at least one pregnant woman or at least one newborn baby. Did Itachi kill all of those too? Maybe the Uchiha have some sort of weird mating season that wasn't there yet and there were no pregnant women and no babies, but then were there any children? Was Sasuke the only Uchiha child in the entire village? I find that hard to believe.

Let's say that the fighters in the clan, the combat-ready men and women all wanted rebellion. There still had to be other people there who weren't a combat threat: The elderly, the children, the artists, bakers, builders, teachers. There would have been large groups of Uchiha people around who weren't combatants and who posed no threat to the village.

My point is this: All you have to do to stop rebellion is to kill the people who are potential combatants. Everybody else you kill is an innocent and that's murder. If Itachi just killed the combatants he might have been able to be a hero. However, if he killed innocent non-combatants, he's a cold-blooded murderer.

Itachi did leave Sasuke alive. So either Itachi disobeyed orders a little and could have disobeyed the more, or his orders from Danzo DIDN'T require him to kill everybody. In either case, Itachi could have spared more lives, and he didn't. The fact that Sasuke survived the massacre and was allowed to stay alive by Danzo afterwards proves that it was possible for Uchiha children to have survived the massacre and Itachi chose not to do that.

MAYBE, as a potential second option, Itachi didn't kill the women and children and non-combatants. Maybe Madara/Tobi did that while Itachi wasn't watching and Itachi didn't know. That is POSSIBLE, but Itachi never mentioned it before.

If you want to stop a rebellion you can choose to kill the top 5 people in charge of it, or the top 20 or the top 5 or whatever. Killing women, children and non-combatants doesn't help after you've already killed the people in charge. After that, you're just a murderer and what you've done is not a good thing anymore.

I believe he wanted to end the hatred cycle of the Uchiha with the leaf village. Think about that..

 

[Helikido]

For the love of whatever you consider 'sacred, or holy', its just a fictional manga. Please. Stop comparing it to a major world religion. It gives the impression that you are obsessed with this cartoon story, and if you're still serious with this analogy of yours than i'm afraid you need help.

As you should know kishi creates things in this manga through real life morals and values so its not uncommon to do this..

 

[MasterofJutsu]

I think Itachi loves Konoha too much more than he love his own clan That's why he able to do that murder mission. He is so contrast compared to Madara who will defend Uchiha no matter what.
The only one he truly love is only Sasuke IMO that's why he spare Sasuke.

 

[Bijuu13]

Wait feeling guilty makes you cough up blood and go blind now ? Sucks to be Itachi

 

[Ame no Murakumo]

He was trying to let Uchiha clan go in history as one of the strongest clan who used to guard Konoha, not as a clan who ruined Konoha & the world due to their jealousy of power. And he was trying to guide Sasuke's hate to make him stronger. In that world, you can grow strong either if you have will to protect your close ones or you guide your hate towards something which guides you to seek powers. His intentions were never bad at all. It's just that his methods were cruel, deluded & were exploited by Orochimaru, Pain & Tobi for their benefit. And he couldn't do anything at all to prevent them. His use of Shisui's genjutsu( forgot it's name) showed how desperate he was. And in the end he admitted that his weakness was not understanding his weak points & trying to do everything on his own. His intentions may be noble, but his actions are hard to forgive.

 

[Whiteknight]

Re: To the people who think itachi is guilty of his choices. (Read)

I believe he wanted to end the hatred cycle of the Uchiha with the leaf village. Think about that..

End the cycle of hatred by murdering innocent women and children? Then turning his brother, the last surviving uchiha, into a rage-fueled revenge freak? Then joining a criminal organization where he helped to capture and eventually kill several jinchuurikis among other people, and ultimately helped to start the fourth ninja war?

Sorry, this doesn't make sense. Itachi is a bright person. Even if he had different plans in mind he should have been aware of the other possibilities.

Let's look at the alternative. Let's say Itachi went into the Uchiha section of the village and only killed the combatants and maybe a few other adults who knew about the truth. He leaves the children alive. What happens?

1) The children would bond together more closely, because of their shared loss
2) The children would be cared for by the village and would have formed deeper bonds of friendship with the people who are taking care of them.
3) Since Itachi performed the murders, they would have wanted revenge against Itachi most of all, and would not have been angry with the Senju or other clans.
4) The adults and other people who remember the curse of hatred would have been dead, and the children would not know it.
5) Konoha still would have had Uchiha citizens, which would have helped keep Konoha stronger in the long run and helped to deter future threats.
6) Sasuke wouldn't have been an outcast and a loner, if he had other children from his clan to bond with. He might have formed the necessary bonds to decide to try and protect Konoha instead of deciding to destroy it.

There's actually MORE peace and stability if Itachi would have left the children alive.

Also, consider this: In retribution if Itachi had killed Danzo at the same time as the Uchiha massacre (since Danzo is a murder-crazy war-hawk), the village would have been much better off. The invasion of Orochimaru might not have happened if Orochimaru and Danzo weren't working together still. In fact, Orochimaru might have never even become a bad person if Danzo hadn't been using him for secretive, creepy, evil missions. If Danzo hadn't been around trying to become Hokage, lots of bad things wouldn't have happened. If Itachi really wanted peace, he should have killed Danzo and spared the Uchiha children.

 

[Honord Sage]

Re: To the people who think itachi is guilty of his choices. (Read)

He had two choices:

1: Kill his whole clan and prevent thousands of dying from a great ninja war, and have his brother to live on as a survivor to restore his clan. Also keeping the hidden leaf in great shape. Also suffer so much to the point that he would die because of his own guilt (His guilt is what turned him so sick).

2: Sit and do nothing while having a 4th ninja shinobi war start because of his own clan trying to up rise and take over the leaf village were thousands will die during the process and eventually the hidden village destroy its self were their would be no more Uchiha and such.... just a waste land.... like the time of madara and hashirama....

Point #1:
If i was Itachi I would use logic and choose #1. To all the people who think I'm wrong, go get some common sense therapy and acquire some new proper logic. He had only 2 choices and that's it. He chose the best choice.

Point #2:
Itachi is a hero because he prevented a great ninja war. If it wasn't for him tobi's war would have been the 5th great ninja war.. .

Look anybody that trust Danzo is a fool,Danzo can male a lie look like true and a true look like a lie and Itachi is paying for trusting Danzo. So is Sasuke for Itachi decision.

 

[psukkar]

Re: To the people who think itachi is guilty of his choices. (Read)

End the cycle of hatred by murdering innocent women and children? Then turning his brother, the last surviving uchiha, into a rage-fueled revenge freak? Then joining a criminal organization where he helped to capture and eventually kill several jinchuurikis among other people, and ultimately helped to start the fourth ninja war?

Sorry, this doesn't make sense. Itachi is a bright person. Even if he had different plans in mind he should have been aware of the other possibilities.

Let's look at the alternative. Let's say Itachi went into the Uchiha section of the village and only killed the combatants and maybe a few other adults who knew about the truth. He leaves the children alive. What happens?

1) The children would bond together more closely, because of their shared loss
2) The children would be cared for by the village and would have formed deeper bonds of friendship with the people who are taking care of them.
3) Since Itachi performed the murders, they would have wanted revenge against Itachi most of all, and would not have been angry with the Senju or other clans.
4) The adults and other people who remember the curse of hatred would have been dead, and the children would not know it.
5) Konoha still would have had Uchiha citizens, which would have helped keep Konoha stronger in the long run and helped to deter future threats.
6) Sasuke wouldn't have been an outcast and a loner, if he had other children from his clan to bond with. He might have formed the necessary bonds to decide to try and protect Konoha instead of deciding to destroy it.

There's actually MORE peace and stability if Itachi would have left the children alive.

Also, consider this: In retribution if Itachi had killed Danzo at the same time as the Uchiha massacre (since Danzo is a murder-crazy war-hawk), the village would have been much better off. The invasion of Orochimaru might not have happened if Orochimaru and Danzo weren't working together still. In fact, Orochimaru might have never even become a bad person if Danzo hadn't been using him for secretive, creepy, evil missions. If Danzo hadn't been around trying to become Hokage, lots of bad things wouldn't have happened. If Itachi really wanted peace, he should have killed Danzo and spared the Uchiha children.

everyone a wise person has spoken, lets all just end the threasd with this epic sum up.

 

[SuperSonicTails]

+rep

 

[Prime Rib]

to the idot who made this thread get over it.

and another thing, itachi is guilty beccause he killed innocent people in his clan? that didnt deserve to die, choosing to kill a certain amount of people over 1000s of people is not worth it. so hes guilty he made a choice no matter which one he made he knew he would be a criminal? so you see my point

 

[grenwood]

Its common sense to kill your family? I don't care what world were talking about or what his choices were, i am glad that i am not your family and have no idea who you are because this manga has made you go insane. Seriously anyone who, like you, honestly believes that anyone killing their entire family of about 80 people (including alot of innocents) under any condition is common sense is either brainwashed or mentally ill. You sir should seek therapy and stop telling people.about common sense.

 

[veggetta13]

This goes to the author of the thread:

"If you truly worked your way to the common sense zenith, you`d realize, it is hard for most people pick common weaalth above family, for most people, on earth, family comes first.

That´s why you got all these guys arguing how come to kill one´s family..

give them a break, it´s a bizantine discussion.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

I would have killed Sasuke...just saying, or lied to him that someone else killed the clan and I just came back from a mission and found them. To all who say there were innocents in the Uchiha, there were none, they all knew about and agreed to the coup. They all deserved to die...except Sasuke-kun.