To the ignorant people who think itachi is guilty of his choices. (Read)
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NarutoLuffy313
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I thought it was just a few people in the clan. Wow the uchiha clan had some issues.
Come at you? Da****, are you serious? Physical threats on an anime message board? Do you really think you look tough? At least you answered the question of how intelligent you are... And the answer is............ Not even a little.:sy:
Honord Sage
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All the Underworlds of all Religions of the world are full of people who thought they did the right thing for the right reason, but the end never justifies the means, The Devil meant well to, so did He say and believed.
I knew it wasn't meant for me, but how was I supposed to know it was a joke? You seemed pretty mad. And don't lie, you were.
Also, what the **** is a "hasty flamed and troll"? I am certainly not a troll, and I don't flame anybody, I promise.
You see sometimes seeing people making dumb comments on this website makes me go crazy and albeit I'm not the only one here who agrees. That's y I "seemed" mad. in reality though I was slightly pissed at people here who think that there was a 3rd choice for Itachi when the manga itself states their was not. That's all
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So... You made a entirely new thread about this to call out a entire group? I don't see why it's nessiary.
I voted for Gulity, merely because the vast majorty of the Leaf don't know the real reason behind the attack. The only other people that can testify are also missing nin or War Crininals (Both Sasuke and Tobi).
I don't really agree on people saying "He isn't guility because he was doing it for a good cause" or "I wouldn't have killed the children, dispite the fact they would grow up to be as resentful as Sasuke". But I do believe that in the world enviroment, we simply wouldn't know the knowledge to believe otherwise.
Itachi and all others assioated wanted to keep it that way to prevent the tanishing of the clan name and other reasons, including that of saving the Leaf from destuction within. Hence he couldn't be any less then guility, nor could he care less about what people actually think of him. He just wanted to end the cycle, watch his brother become a hero of his village and die, thus ending the cycle of hate that enbodied his clan. That how he wanted it to happen, he accepted the guilt to die as Jesus did on the cross, only instead of absorbing the sins of mankind, he adverted a war and absorbed only the sins of his clan into his being and condenced himself to appear as a force of evil to be struck down and to end the dark heratage in a single battle.
I voted for Gulity, merely because the vast majorty of the Leaf don't know the real reason behind the attack. The only other people that can testify are also missing nin or War Crininals (Both Sasuke and Tobi).
I don't really agree on people saying "He isn't guility because he was doing it for a good cause" or "I wouldn't have killed the children, dispite the fact they would grow up to be as resentful as Sasuke". But I do believe that in the world enviroment, we simply wouldn't know the knowledge to believe otherwise.
Itachi and all others assioated wanted to keep it that way to prevent the tanishing of the clan name and other reasons, including that of saving the Leaf from destuction within. Hence he couldn't be any less then guility, nor could he care less about what people actually think of him. He just wanted to end the cycle, watch his brother become a hero of his village and die, thus ending the cycle of hate that enbodied his clan. That how he wanted it to happen, he accepted the guilt to die as Jesus did on the cross, only instead of absorbing the sins of mankind, he adverted a war and absorbed only the sins of his clan into his being and condenced himself to appear as a force of evil to be struck down and to end the dark heratage in a single battle.
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Itachi is at fault because he himself accepted that he was a failure for trying to do things alone. He thought he did not need the help of others to make the right choices. This is why Itachi admires Naruto so much as well.
Even if we try to use your logic with things, Itachi did not need to kill say Mikoto Uchiha...Would she have realized the coup by herself with her child Sasuke? There is no excuse for killing his mother really, if he could spare Sasuke.
Even if we try to use your logic with things, Itachi did not need to kill say Mikoto Uchiha...Would she have realized the coup by herself with her child Sasuke? There is no excuse for killing his mother really, if he could spare Sasuke.
The issue is, if you don't kill them all and they deveop ideas of whats happened, it's a very dangerous situation, easpically if you don't know who exactly was in league with the Coup and who isn't. If Itachi left anyone and they were part of the Coup, they will suspect and likely cause trouble at a later date and use the violence to inspire further to their cause on a more public stage that would be immensely damaging to the Leaf politcally and structurally. Not to mention the surviors that were not affilated would have a lot of questions to ask that would prove embrasing, like why the Leaf wasn't there to protect them in their hour of need.
Burying it completely was the only way, that Danzo was surprised that he didn't have the compassion to kill his younger brother, and was prevented from finishing the jobs by an Itachi that would have told them everything that would at least cause the general Leaf to suspect the warmongering Ninja.
That was possibly another good reason why Sasuke couldn't return to the Leaf, Danzo would finish the job that Itachi started given the oppertunity to make sure the clan remains in the history books.
Re: To the people who think itachi is guilty of his choices. (Read)
Itachi did do what he did because of shitty circumstances. He did do what was right, but that doesn't make him innocent.
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Itachi did do what he did because of shitty circumstances. He did do what was right, but that doesn't make him innocent.
NarutoKage2
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you know whats funny about itachi fanboys?
Itachi himself has proven them wrong on almost all debates about him in the manga.
Itachi already admitted guilt he said it himself, that he should be judged for his crimes. This was the main reason why he wanted sasuke to kill him, someone from konoha.
Itachi himself has proven them wrong on almost all debates about him in the manga.
Itachi already admitted guilt he said it himself, that he should be judged for his crimes. This was the main reason why he wanted sasuke to kill him, someone from konoha.
A prime example of a person who picks a single sentance out to respond to in an attempt to make a entire arguement seem invalid.
Indeed, there are parrels with all those who want to be punished for their sins, I figured it would make sense. Though Itachi is not as pure or devine (frankly, most of the ninja are probably not), but rather a person who made a choice for others to live on.
That being said, I never quite understood what being strung up on a cross by the Roman empire has to do with purifying us of all our sins, in the same sense that Itachis attempt at self sacrifice ironically spawned another mini Madara. Perhaps it was in that act, like many artists, that the value of the person is most apperiated after maturation, in mankind's case thats typically death.
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Re: To the people who think itachi is guilty of his choices. (Read)
How many people were in the Uchiha clan? I don't know exact numbers, but they had a whole section of the village to themselves. Even if it were more than 50 people you would expect there to be at least one pregnant woman or at least one newborn baby. Did Itachi kill all of those too? Maybe the Uchiha have some sort of weird mating season that wasn't there yet and there were no pregnant women and no babies, but then were there any children? Was Sasuke the only Uchiha child in the entire village? I find that hard to believe.
Let's say that the fighters in the clan, the combat-ready men and women all wanted rebellion. There still had to be other people there who weren't a combat threat: The elderly, the children, the artists, bakers, builders, teachers. There would have been large groups of Uchiha people around who weren't combatants and who posed no threat to the village.
My point is this: All you have to do to stop rebellion is to kill the people who are potential combatants. Everybody else you kill is an innocent and that's murder. If Itachi just killed the combatants he might have been able to be a hero. However, if he killed innocent non-combatants, he's a cold-blooded murderer.
Itachi did leave Sasuke alive. So either Itachi disobeyed orders a little and could have disobeyed the more, or his orders from Danzo DIDN'T require him to kill everybody. In either case, Itachi could have spared more lives, and he didn't. The fact that Sasuke survived the massacre and was allowed to stay alive by Danzo afterwards proves that it was possible for Uchiha children to have survived the massacre and Itachi chose not to do that.
MAYBE, as a potential second option, Itachi didn't kill the women and children and non-combatants. Maybe Madara/Tobi did that while Itachi wasn't watching and Itachi didn't know. That is POSSIBLE, but Itachi never mentioned it before.
If you want to stop a rebellion you can choose to kill the top 5 people in charge of it, or the top 20 or the top 5 or whatever. Killing women, children and non-combatants doesn't help after you've already killed the people in charge. After that, you're just a murderer and what you've done is not a good thing anymore.
Here's the thing, and I don't know if Kishi intended this from the very beginning or if get got caught into some kind of a trap trying to turn Itachi (a very popular character) into a secret good guy after already laying the ground-work: You don't need to massacre EVERYBODY in a clan to prevent a rebellion.
How many people were in the Uchiha clan? I don't know exact numbers, but they had a whole section of the village to themselves. Even if it were more than 50 people you would expect there to be at least one pregnant woman or at least one newborn baby. Did Itachi kill all of those too? Maybe the Uchiha have some sort of weird mating season that wasn't there yet and there were no pregnant women and no babies, but then were there any children? Was Sasuke the only Uchiha child in the entire village? I find that hard to believe.
Let's say that the fighters in the clan, the combat-ready men and women all wanted rebellion. There still had to be other people there who weren't a combat threat: The elderly, the children, the artists, bakers, builders, teachers. There would have been large groups of Uchiha people around who weren't combatants and who posed no threat to the village.
My point is this: All you have to do to stop rebellion is to kill the people who are potential combatants. Everybody else you kill is an innocent and that's murder. If Itachi just killed the combatants he might have been able to be a hero. However, if he killed innocent non-combatants, he's a cold-blooded murderer.
Itachi did leave Sasuke alive. So either Itachi disobeyed orders a little and could have disobeyed the more, or his orders from Danzo DIDN'T require him to kill everybody. In either case, Itachi could have spared more lives, and he didn't. The fact that Sasuke survived the massacre and was allowed to stay alive by Danzo afterwards proves that it was possible for Uchiha children to have survived the massacre and Itachi chose not to do that.
MAYBE, as a potential second option, Itachi didn't kill the women and children and non-combatants. Maybe Madara/Tobi did that while Itachi wasn't watching and Itachi didn't know. That is POSSIBLE, but Itachi never mentioned it before.
If you want to stop a rebellion you can choose to kill the top 5 people in charge of it, or the top 20 or the top 5 or whatever. Killing women, children and non-combatants doesn't help after you've already killed the people in charge. After that, you're just a murderer and what you've done is not a good thing anymore.