To Everyone Saying Tsunade Is Underrated- Just No.

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You can't embarrass anyone on the internet. So please. Show me your reasoning.

Hahaha. Here we go.

(1) Tsunade doesn't have the speed to counter Jiraiya
(2) Tsunade has no counter to Gamabunta
(3) Toad Flame Bombs one-shots her
(4) Did I mention she doesn't have the speed to get Jiraiya?
(5) Tsunade won't go all chakra-infused at first, a giant rasengan will KO her
(6) As soon as she goes in for a punch, Jiraiya does Wild Lion's Mane and she is impaled
(7) Frog-Eso****us-no-jutsu gives him time for Sage Mode
-------Now WITH Sage Mode-----------
(8) Frog Song one shots her
(9) Now she literally has no chance of hitting Jiraiya with his Sage speed
(10) Toad Oil Bullet one shots
(11) Oh yeah, and Frog Song just compeltely rapes her and one shots her.
(12) Everything above as well.
(13) Bath of Boiling Oil one shots her.



Please, try to counter any of these points, I'd love to tell you why you're wrong.
 
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And unfortunately, this is where we're supposed to rely on hype. She's the fricken hokage, has Senju blood, is a Sannin, and revolutionized medical ninjutsu. Usually I'm like you, don't depend on hype. But considering how much she has, I think we were all expecting much more...



This guy haha "No hokage could stop Pain except maybe Hashirama, Tobirama, Hiruzen, Minato, and Danzo" XD I'm just joking with you man haha

And that's the thing, I really don't like hype because it has nothing to back it up haha. But I at least see where you're coming from.
 

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Hahaha. Here we go.

(1) Tsunade doesn't have the speed to counter Jiraiya
(2) Tsunade has no counter to Gamabunta
(3) Bath of Boiling Oil one-shots her
(4) Did I mention she doesn't have the speed to get Jiraiya?
(5) Tsunade won't go all chakra-infused at first, a giant rasengan will KO her
(6) As soon as she goes in for a punch, Jiraiya does Wild Lion's Mane and she is impaled
(7) Frog-Eso****us-no-jutsu gives him time for Sage Mode
-------Now WITH Sage Mode-----------
(8) Frog Song one shots her
(9) Now she literally has no chance of hitting Jiraiya with his Sage speed
(10) Toad Oil Bullet one shots
(11) Oh yeah, and Frog Song just compeltely rapes her and one shots her.
(12) Everything above as well.



Please, try to counter any of these points, I'd love to tell you why you're wrong.

Katsuya could possibly counter Gambunta. Also that Bath of Boiling oil is a Sage tech I think, but who's asking:yeah:
 

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Katsuya could possibly counter Gambunta. Also that Bath of Boiling oil is a Sage tech I think, but who's asking:yeah:

Is it? I thought that was the one where Gamabunta and Jiraiya mix their attacks, maybe I'm wrong.
 

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Hahaha. Here we go.

(1) Tsunade doesn't have the speed to counter Jiraiya
(2) Tsunade has no counter to Gamabunta
(3) Bath of Boiling Oil one-shots her
(4) Did I mention she doesn't have the speed to get Jiraiya?
(5) Tsunade won't go all chakra-infused at first, a giant rasengan will KO her
(6) As soon as she goes in for a punch, Jiraiya does Wild Lion's Mane and she is impaled
(7) Frog-Eso****us-no-jutsu gives him time for Sage Mode
-------Now WITH Sage Mode-----------
(8) Frog Song one shots her
(9) Now she literally has no chance of hitting Jiraiya with his Sage speed
(10) Toad Oil Bullet one shots
(11) Oh yeah, and Frog Song just compeltely rapes her and one shots her.
(12) Everything above as well.



Please, try to counter any of these points, I'd love to tell you why you're wrong.

1. Strength of a Hundred Technique (Instant cellular regeneration for as long as her MASSIVE Chakra reserves last). Seeing how she responded to being stabbed by Susanoo, she could tank and heal any shot Jiraiya throws at her.
2. Outlasts Jiraiya in terms of Chakra reserves and his Sage Mode.
3. Punches Jiraiya into the ground.


She may not be as fast as Jiraiya, but unless Jiraiya can destroy her cells faster than she can regenerate them, he has no chance unless he can out last her. And it already has been proven that she has more Chakra then he does, as benefitting a Senju Direct Descendent.
 

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Idk if this happenend but didn't they ask Jiraya to be hokage before tsunade?
 

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Is it? I thought that was the one where Gamabunta and Jiraiya mix their attacks, maybe I'm wrong.

You're thinking of Toad flame bombs. This one is deadlier.
 

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What's minato's plan against Shinra tensei? He can't do shit.
 

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1. Strength of a Hundred Technique (Instant cellular regeneration for as long as her MASSIVE Chakra reserves last). Seeing how she responded to being stabbed by Susanoo, she could tank and heal any shot Jiraiya throws at her.
2. Outlasts Jiraiya in terms of Chakra reserves and his Sage Mode.
3. Punches Jiraiya into the ground.


She may not be as fast as Jiraiya, but unless Jiraiya can destroy her cells faster than she can regenerate them, he has no chance unless he can out last her. And it already has been proven that she has more Chakra then he does, as benefitting a Senju Direct Descendent.

(1) This tech barely lasted 10 minutes against Kabuto and Orochimaru.
(2) Who cares? Jiraiya's speed allows him to dodge her everytime until she runs out.
(3) Wouldn't happen, Tsunade doesn't have a prayer of hitting Jiraiya. Also he could just use Lions Mane and impale her.

Tsunade wouldn't even use that right off the bat, so any of those techs I mentioned one shots her.

Also Tsunade has no counter to a Frog Eso****us/Sage Mode/Frog Song combo, so that's an automatic loss there.

Did I mention she can't even hit Jiraiya?


What's minato's plan against Shinra tensei? He can't do shit.

What's any Hokage's plan against that tech? Lol there isn't one. But they would've done a helluva lot better than some old lady that punches stuff.

(Btw, Minato could arguably S/T barrier a portion of Shinra Tensei)


You're thinking of Toad flame bombs. This one is deadlier.


Cool thanks, fixed it.
 
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1. Strength of a Hundred Technique (Instant cellular regeneration for as long as her MASSIVE Chakra reserves last). Seeing how she responded to being stabbed by Susanoo, she could tank and heal any shot Jiraiya throws at her.
2. Outlasts Jiraiya in terms of Chakra reserves and his Sage Mode.
3. Punches Jiraiya into the ground.


She may not be as fast as Jiraiya, but unless Jiraiya can destroy her cells faster than she can regenerate them, he has no chance unless he can out last her. And it already has been proven that she has more Chakra then he does, as benefitting a Senju Direct Descendent.

I'm not too sure about you saying she outlasts Jiraya on chakara reserve, afterall he does have sage mode. That is if a Slug sage mode even exists, we don't know so i can't say she had access to learning such.

Her byakugou makes her able to hold her own against jiraya for sure she can tank most of his jutsu while it lasts minus the genjutsu. if she could only hit him once as hard as she did Madara then it would be gg, but thats a stretch
 

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(1) This tech barely lasted 10 minutes against Kabuto and Orochimaru.
(2) Who cares? Jiraiya's speed allows him to dodge her everytime until she runs out.
(3) Wouldn't happen, Tsunade doesn't have a prayer of hitting Jiraiya. Also he could just use Lions Mane and impale her.

Tsunade wouldn't even use that right off the bat, so any of those techs I mentioned one shots her.

Also Tsunade has no counter to a Frog Eso****us/Sage Mode/Frog Song combo, so that's an automatic loss there.

Did I mention she can't even hit Jiraiya?

Note: He's referring to byakugou, its different to what she used against orochimaru it actually stays on her body and pumps chakara as long as she has it as you have seen. Creations Rebirth and it are two seperate techniques.

Or the same technique with a different release method.
 

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Tsunade gets Kumui'd Kakashi>Tsunade
 

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(1) This tech barely lasted 10 minutes against Kabuto and Orochimaru.
(2) Who cares? Jiraiya's speed allows him to dodge her everytime until she runs out.
(3) Wouldn't happen, Tsunade doesn't have a prayer of hitting Jiraiya. Also he could just use Lions Mane and impale her.

Tsunade wouldn't even use that right off the bat, so any of those techs I mentioned one shots her.

Also Tsunade has no counter to a Frog Eso****us/Sage Mode/Frog Song combo, so that's an automatic loss there.

Did I mention she can't even hit Jiraiya?

I believe she already did XD
She broke a few ribs and injured him pretty badly after he peeped lol
 

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(1) This tech barely lasted 10 minutes against Kabuto and Orochimaru.
(2) Who cares? Jiraiya's speed allows him to dodge her everytime until she runs out.
(3) Wouldn't happen, Tsunade doesn't have a prayer of hitting Jiraiya. Also he could just use Lions Mane and impale her.

Tsunade wouldn't even use that right off the bat, so any of those techs I mentioned one shots her.

Also Tsunade has no counter to a Frog Eso****us/Sage Mode/Frog Song combo, so that's an automatic loss there.

Did I mention she can't even hit Jiraiya?

Strength of a Hundred Technique is the one she used against Madara. Not Kabuto and Orochimaru. Where she one shotted a Susanoo. It's VERY different from the Creation Rebirth Techinque she used against Kabuto and Orochimaru.

2.) That statement assumes that Jiraiya has more chakra then her, hence why he is faster, but that is a logical fallacy because how can he outlast some one using chakra, when that someone has much more chakra than he does. He's going to tire out faster than she will.

3.) Lions Mane would just make her use her regeneration techniques, which would heal her instantly. She's already been impaled multiple times by swords. Hair spikes aren't even on the level of Susanoo swords and you think that she'll die from them.

4.) You don't seem to understand the implications of instant regeneration. Fire won't burn her up instantly, and by the time it hits her, her cells would have already started to replace the lost ones at the SAME rate they are being lost at. It's called tanking.

5.) So you are assuming she won't use her techniques right away? I'll throw that right back at you and say Jiraiya won't use his Sage Mode right away or his other heavy hitting techniques and thus get punched into the ground. My point is, if Jiraiya is going all out. Then Tsunade is going all out. And she can outlast him.


Not to mention her natural Senju abilities give her an incredible stammina, strength, and resistance to attacks without her regeneration jutsu's. Her regeneration technique functions quite similarly like Tobi's intangibility one, in that they both can take extraordinarily powerful blows with little to no harm. Plus, Tsunade is strong enough to punch off any massive toad Jiraiya throws on top of her.

Edit: Now while she is not as fast as Jiraiya, that's not to say she'll just sit there and take all the shots. She's quite fast on her own and could probably dodge most of Jiraiya's ranged attacks (as they are not as fast as he is in Sage (or otherwise) mode) which would force him to have to close the distance and enter close combat. Which is where she specializes in.
 
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Deal it that tsunade is hokage......... Don't like tsunade as hokage??? Stop reading until someone else become hokage.....end of your problem.....
 
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It was stated in the past that the Hokage is the strongest in the Hidden Leaf Village.

Yes.. The Hokage was and still is the most powerful ninja in the Hidden Leaf Village

Even assuming Tsunade was the strongest in the village, which she wasn't, let's take a look at her role as Hokage.

At that point in time, she was among the most powerful.. save for Jiraiya, none in the Hidden Leaf Village is powerful than her..

The major event that happened in Tsunade's "reign" was Pain's attack on the village.


Naturally, the Hokage, as the strongest in the village, should be able to contend with a threat like this and protect the village, right?

Well, all previous Hokage could have. But Tsunade just about did nothing. She did absolutely nothing to contend with Pain, and even her slug summon didn't do it's job, as hundreds of villagers perished until Nagato revived them. Then, naturally, she went into a coma.

NARUTO of all people had to step up to deal with the threat of Pain.

This alone should show you she isn't underrated at all; In fact, she doesn't even deserve a top 20 spot.

Tsunade is first and foremost a MEDIC.. she knows that her major role is to act as the primary healer.. Konoha has its rules in times of invasion.. it doesn't like that just because an enemy appears, the Hokage goes out and save the day.. it is everything about assessment.. Pain just defeated Jiraiya, and they are busy unlocking his secrets.. As the Hokage must decide for the greater good of the village.. heading out in the front lines and go all out against Pain without prep would cause major set back.. she did what she MUST do at that point in time.. and that is to heal and let her subordinates deal in the front lines while they assess and as she supports in the background..

In fact, if it was any other Hokage was in her shoes at that time, there would have been more damage.. None of the previous kages (save probably Hashirama) would have protected all the citizens of Konoha from Shinra Tensei.. and because of what she manage to protect even the bodies of the dead.. Yes, Nagato did revive most of those who died, but if not for Tsunade, they won't be able to be revived at all if she didn't protected their bodies (eg. Kakashi)..

Also, it but be mentioned that Katsuyu's intel about Pain's abilities gave Naruto an edge against him..

Let's move on to her other "accomplishment" which was "contending" with Madara.

People like to bring up this instance to show that she can contend with other Top 5 characters. But that argument is just ridiculous.

Tsunade had the assistance of 4 REAL Kage level allies, and still ended up being cut in half.

5 living ninjas with limited chakra and stamina vs. an undying ninja with basically unlimited chakra with 2 of the most powerful KKGs in existence? hardly a fair fight sad to say.. and honestly, without Tsunade, they wouldn't last as long as they did.. 1.) She healed Gaara and Onoki 2.) She healed Mei 3.) Involved herself in the battle, allowing them to overwhelm Madara for a moment (even Madara himself admitted this) 4.) Gave Onoki chakra to facilitate his large scale Jinton,; all doing this while tanking every possible damage.. Among the kages, she, along with Onoki were the only ones not being manhandled by Madara's mokuton clones.. Yes, she was bisected, BUT even while sustaining the greatest damage, she still managed to perform a high level time-space jutsu and summon Katsuyu and is currently risking her life just to save those who you call REAL KAGES..

The 3 Sannin being equal to each other argument is laughable. Jiraiya and Orochimaru are so far past Tsunade it's not even funny. (Gee, I guess the parrallels to Team 7 do hold true...). Sage Mode Jiraiya completely poops on Tsunade, and Orochimaru turns her into a joke as well.

This is based on what? any canon source? all you can do comparison is what Sage Mode Jiraiya (who died by physical means) and Orochimaru (who kept coming back mainly due to his intelligence and stolen jutsus).. It is true that both Jiraiya and Orochimaru have more jutsus in their arsenal, but saying they are superior to Tsunade by just those is somewhat a close minded conclusion.. Honestly, i don't think Jiraiya even in sage mode could have performed better that Tsunade during the fight against Madara..

Her Creation Rebirth is somewhat impressive... That is, until it runs out and she's left in a coma again. Outlasting her Creation Rebirth would be a cinch for any of the Top 20 prospects, so that isn't helping her here.

Creation Rebirth is the absolute pinacle of Medical Ninjutsu.. and every Jutsu has its flaws.. Tsunade using Creation Rebirth doesn't always ends up in coma.. she used it to heal herself after surviving Mabui's Heavenly Transfer Jutsu and she didn't went to coma when she used it during her fight with Orochimaru.. the reason she went into coma during Pain's attack is due to chakra exhaustion (which Kakashi apparently died from before, as well as Nagato, given the later used it to revive everyone).. During the invasion, she has already used most of her natural chakra pool to heal thousands of people simultaneously, and only went into a coma when she poured everything she got to protect everyone from Shinra Tensei (still, she managed to outrun a better shaped Anbu).. even Nagato admitted that using Shinra Tensei shortens his lifespan..

My point is that Tsunade isn't underrated; in fact, she is mostly overrated.

Yes, she is grossly underrated.. Just because she done't have flashy jutsus, people label her has weak/fodder, etc.. every narrow minded and uncivilized in my opinion..

With nothing in her arsenal except mediocre speed, Impressive (although risky) healing, and big-boom punches, she does not live up to her Hokage title nor her Sannin Title.

Mediocre speed? the only shinobi she was ever compared to with regards to speed is A, and he is the 2nd fast ninja alive.. Tsunade outran an Anbu who is in better condition and the only kage who managed to land a hit to Madara face-on.. she managed to perform her jutsu in just mere moments (countering Nagato's Shinra Tensei), and physically, the strongest character in the series, and not to mention the most natural resilient character.. that plus her array of medical jutsu which includes near-immortality, regeneration, able to heal the physic damage of Tsukoyomi and undo the effects of the Dead Demon Consuming Seal if enough for her to be considered one of the best ninjas in history and worthy of the Sannin/Kage title (Madara himself admitted that, so who are we to contest!)..

Get it together, Tsunade.

She has displayed the best at what she does and exemplifies what a true shinobi is.. she has earned my respect and no person in their right mind, unless completely blinded by certain factors can question that.. Respect for Tsunade, Konoha's Slug Princess, last scion of the Senju clan and the 5th Hokage of the Village Hidden in the Leaves!
 

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Well, actually that is a very well worded statement. I'd go along with it, except for one thing.

We can't claim it was just because of plot, because we've never actually seen evidence that Tsunade could contend with Pain. What's she going to do? Punch him to death?

Jiraiya not being Hokage on the other hand is a victim of plot. We know he had the skill had ability to be Hokage, Kishimoto just couldn't have that for the story.

Jiraiya not being Hokage is him knowing which is the best option. He knows Tsunade is better then him. HELL SHES PROVEN IT OVER AND OVER.

Who was the one who got them victory in the war? TSUNADE
Who is the one who created the medical system? Tsunade
Who is the one who nearly killed Jiraiya as kids? TSUNADE
Who is the one punch K.O person of the 3 sanin? Tsunade

And actually the only reason Naruto won is due to Jiraiya , Tsunade, Shikamaru and etc. Just letting you know. oh and also, old sage frog Ma and Pa.

Only reason Itachi is relevent is due to the plot, only reason Hashirama was the first Hokage due to the plot, only reason SO6P was the first shinobi due to the plot. EVERYTHING IS DUE TO THE PLOT.

What's any Hokage's plan against that tech? Lol there isn't one. But they would've done a helluva lot better than some old lady that punches stuff.

(Btw, Minato could arguably S/T barrier a portion of Shinra Tensei)


how the hell do you teleport force? Shinra tensei is just a invisible force pushing you.. Minato wouldn't even have a chance at that. Hell all the people Tsunade saved would've been DEAD.

And Tsunade already had a plan.. to retreat NARUTO BACK. But what happens when the traitor is in your own village? oh yea you get betrayed. Don't blame shit on Tsunade when shes the only reason the K 11 and other konoha ninja are even alive.
 

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Yes.. The Hokage was and still is the most powerful ninja in the Hidden Leaf Village



At that point in time, she was among the most powerful.. save for Jiraiya, none in the Hidden Leaf Village is powerful than her..



Tsunade is first and foremost a MEDIC.. she knows that her major role is to act as the primary healer.. Konoha has its rules in times of invasion.. it doesn't like that just because an enemy appears, the Hokage goes out and save the day.. it is everything about assessment.. Pain just defeated Jiraiya, and they are busy unlocking his secrets.. As the Hokage must decide for the greater good of the village.. heading out in the front lines and go all out against Pain without prep would cause major set back.. she did what she MUST do at that point in time.. and that is to heal and let her subordinates deal in the front lines while they assess and as she supports in the background..

In fact, if it was any other Hokage was in her shoes at that time, there would have been more damage.. None of the previous kages (save probably Hashirama) would have protected all the citizens of Konoha from Shinra Tensei.. and because of what she manage to protect even the bodies of the dead.. Yes, Nagato did revive most of those who died, but if not for Tsunade, they won't be able to be revived at all if she didn't protected their bodies (eg. Kakashi)..

Also, it but be mentioned that Katsuyu's intel about Pain's abilities gave Naruto an edge against him..



5 living ninjas with limited chakra and stamina vs. an undying ninja with basically unlimited chakra with 2 of the most powerful KKGs in existence? hardly a fair fight sad to say.. and honestly, without Tsunade, they wouldn't last as long as they did.. 1.) She healed Gaara and Onoki 2.) She healed Mei 3.) Involved herself in the battle, allowing them to overwhelm Madara for a moment (even Madara himself admitted this) 4.) Gave Onoki chakra to facilitate his large scale Jinton,; all doing this while tanking every possible damage.. Among the kages, she, along with Onoki were the only ones not being manhandled by Madara's mokuton clones.. Yes, she was bisected, BUT even while sustaining the greatest damage, she still managed to perform a high level time-space jutsu and summon Katsuyu and is currently risking her life just to save those who you call REAL KAGES..



This is based on what? any canon source? all you can do comparison is what Sage Mode Jiraiya (who died by physical means) and Orochimaru (who kept coming back mainly due to his intelligence and stolen jutsus).. It is true that both Jiraiya and Orochimaru have more jutsus in their arsenal, but saying they are superior to Tsunade by just those is somewhat a close minded conclusion.. Honestly, i don't think Jiraiya even in sage mode could have performed better that Tsunade during the fight against Madara..



Creation Rebirth is the absolute pinacle of Medical Ninjutsu.. and every Jutsu has its flaws.. Tsunade using Creation Rebirth doesn't always ends up in coma.. she used it to heal herself after surviving Mabui's Heavenly Transfer Jutsu and she didn't went to coma when she used it during her fight with Orochimaru.. the reason she went into coma during Pain's attack is due to chakra exhaustion (which Kakashi apparently died from before, as well as Nagato, given the later used it to revive everyone).. During the invasion, she has already used most of her natural chakra pool to heal thousands of people simultaneously, and only went into a coma when she poured everything she got to protect everyone from Shinra Tensei (still, she managed to outrun a better shaped Anbu).. even Nagato admitted that using Shinra Tensei shortens his lifespan..



Yes, she is grossly underrated.. Just because she done't have flashy jutsus, people label her has weak/fodder, etc.. every narrow minded and uncivilized in my opinion..



Mediocre speed? the only shinobi she was ever compared to with regards to speed is A, and he is the 2nd fast ninja alive.. Tsunade outran an Anbu who is in better condition and the only kage who managed to land a hit to Madara face-on.. she managed to perform her jutsu in just mere moments (countering Nagato's Shinra Tensei), and physically, the strongest character in the series, and not to mention the most natural resilient character.. that plus her array of medical jutsu which includes near-immortality, regeneration, able to heal the physic damage of Tsukoyomi and undo the effects of the Dead Demon Consuming Seal if enough for her to be considered one of the best ninjas in history and worthy of the Sannin/Kage title (Madara himself admitted that, so who are we to contest!)..



She has displayed the best at what she does and exemplifies what a true shinobi is.. she has earned my respect and no person in their right mind, unless completely blinded by certain factors can question that.. Respect for Tsunade, Konoha's Slug Princess, last scion of the Senju clan and the 5th Hokage of the Village Hidden in the Leaves!

Rep this one could not of said it better :)
 

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Tsunade is in top 20, your argument is invalid.

Deal with it!!!
 
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