Timeline Proof: Shisui was the 3rd Mangekyuo User

[NarutoKage2]

Shisui was the 3rd known Uchiha to have awoken the mangekyuo. The order was:

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1.Madara
2. Izuna
3. Shisui
4. Obito/Kakashi
5. Itachi
6. Sasuke

Why Shisui, before even Obito?

First off, credit to BlacLord for suggesting the idea in my previous thread:

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There are some assumptions, and the rest is fact backed up by the manga. As we know, Koto Amatsukami was Shisui's mangekyuo technique, and it took at least 10 years to activate:

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Well, let's examone the timeline:

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Kakashi is 29-30 years of age right now. Source:

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The Kyuubi attack happened 16 years ago, the day Naruto was born. Here's proof for that:

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30-16= 14.

So Kakashi was 14 during the Kyuubi attack. Obito and Kakash were teammates and so clearly around the same age. Obito was 13 when he supposedly died:

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So 14-13=1 . Meaning only 1 year later, when he was 14, Obito attacked Konoha using the Kyuubi.

Now, to prove Shisui awoke his Mangekyuo before Obito:

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When did the Uchiha massacre happen? Orochimaru left Akatsuki when Itachi joined, which was immediately after the massacre, stated here:

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Now, this scan:

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Proves that the massacre happened 7 years before part 1.

Sasuke was 13 in part 1:

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So 13-7= 6.

The time between the Kyuubi attack and the Uchiha massacre was 6 years.

Meaning Shisui, who gave his mangekyuo to Itachi on the eve of the massacre, had to have had MS for at least 10 years before that to know about Koto Amatsukami's 10 year time limit.

I already proved that the gap between Kannabi bridge and the Konoha attack was not more than a year, so that gives us 6 years from the massacre to the kyuubi attack plus one year when Obito got crushed by the rocks:

6+1= 7

So at best, Obito awoke his mangekyuo 7 years before the Uchiha clan massacre.


Shisui would have had to need 10 years, so:

10-7=3

At the very least, Uchiha Shisui awoke his mangekyuo 3 years before Obito/Kakashi did, and was thus the 3rd known uchiha to have awakened the mangekyuo.

 

[Beifong]

Good job in collecting this info but what's important in shisui activating mangekyou before obito/kakashi or being the third to activate it?

 

[sam i am]

yet danzo could use it about once a day

 

[Braveknight]

Actually yesterday i did same calculation and came up with same result, but the problem is 98% people here wont get it.

 

[Zatack]

Too much thinking, for that. I would of just said Shisui was older so he had more time to awaken it.

 

[IKSOKRIPS]

The Uchiha Massacre happens four years before the start of the series.

Why? Itachi on the start of the series is 17. He executes the Uchiha Massacre at age of 13.

17 - 13 = 4

yet danzo could use it about once a day

That's only because of Hashirama's DNA.

 

[NarutoKage2]

Good job in collecting this info but what's important in shisui activating mangekyou before obito/kakashi or being the third to activate it?

Something to discuss,as some people say that Obito awoke his mangekyuo first, and thanks.

yet danzo could use it about once a day

Not koto amatsukami(with senju dna the time can be decreased, but for itachi to know about the decade requirement means shisui had to have seen at least a decade gap).

 

[Braveknight]

Keep in mind that his faster was alive hen second hokage was alive, and he was in his teen mostly shishui was in his 17+s

 

[Sasukenumberonelover]

Good Job, though does it really matter who awoke before who BR0?

 

[IKSOKRIPS]

Keep in mind that his faster was alive hen second hokage was alive, and he was in his teen mostly shishui was in his 17+s

I think Shisui was in between early to mid twenties. :yeah:

The same goes for his father, at Tobirama's death.

 

[The Madara Uchiha]

Allot of calculations but they all make sense and add up, nice thread!

 

[Braveknight]

I think Shisui was in between early to mid twenties. :yeah:

The same goes for his father, at Tobirama's death.

therfore this means that he was way older than kakashi when the kyuubi attacked.

 

[NarutoKage2]

The Uchiha Massacre happens four years before the start of the series.

Why? Itachi on the start of the series is 17. He executes the Uchiha Massacre at age of 13.

17 - 13 = 4



That's only because of Hashirama's DNA.

Four years before the start of the series, no but then it was stated in part 1 that its been 7 years since Orochimaru left Akatsuki. Oro left because Itachi joined, Itachi joined after the massacre:

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[IKSOKRIPS]

therfore this means that he was way older than kakashi when the kyuubi attacked.

There is no way older, only two to three years.

Four years before the start of the series, no but then it was stated in part 1 that its been 7 years since Orochimaru left Akatsuki. Oro left because Itachi joined, Itachi joined after the massacre:

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You are basing your theory mostly on this page:

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And those "seven" years mess stuff up. Trust me I know this. I have spent months in making a Naruto Timeline (there is a link in my Sig) and I came only to one conclusion, that it was a slight mistake made by Kishimoto, cuz it didn't add up with everything else.

 

[Avonomemi]

We still on these???

 

[NarutoKage2]

Allot of calculations but they all make sense and add up, nice thread!

Thanks.

There is no way older, only two to three years.


You are basing your theory mostly on this page:

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And those "seven" years mess stuff up. Trust me I know this. I have spent months in making a Naruto Timeline (there is a link in my Sig) and I came only to one conclusion, that it was a slight mistake made by Kishimoto, cuz it didn't add up with everything else.

Could be a mistake by kishi. I'll check out your timeline. However, we have to use the manga as proof in debates. Manga clearly says 7 years before part 1, Orochimaru left. Then in a recent chapter, Hiruzen says that Itachi was 'eventually' sent to spy on Akatsuki, meaning AFTER he had carried out the massacre. So going by the manga my thread still stands.

 

[IKSOKRIPS]

Thanks.


Could be a mistake by kishi. I'll check out your timeline. However, we have to use the manga as proof in debates. Manga clearly says 7 years before part 1, Orochimaru left. Then in a recent chapter, Hiruzen says that Itachi was 'eventually' sent to spy on Akatsuki, meaning AFTER he had carried out the massacre. So going by the manga my thread still stands.

Exactly! Itachi starts spying on Akatsuki after the Uchiha Massacre. Itachi executes the Uchiha Massacre at age of 13. On the start of Part One he is 17, on the end of it he is 18. On the end of Part One Akatsuki say that Orochimaru left the organisation "7" years earlier.

18 - 7 = 11

That would make Itachi 11 years old when he executed the Uchiha Massacre, which is wrong, cuz he becomes an ANBU Captain at 13.

That page is evil. :heh:

 

[iSpeak]

Cool thread but there are a couple things wrong.

The gap between Obito getting crushed by the rocks and the Kyuubi attack happening was between 3-4 years. The gap between the end 3rd Shinobi war and the Kyuubi attack was 1 years (I worked it out).

Itachi joined 2 years before the Uchiha massacre. He murdered the clan aged 13.

 

[IKSOKRIPS]

Cool thread but there are a couple things wrong.

01) The gap between Obito getting crushed by the rocks and the Kyuubi attack happening was between 3-4 years. The gap between the end 3rd Shinobi war and the Kyuubi attack was 1 years (I worked it out).

02) Itachi joined and was spying on the akatsuki for 2 years before the Uchiha massacre. He murdered the clan aged 13.

01) There is no more than an year in between.

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Kakashi on the start of the series is 26 years old, which means he was born 26 years before the series start.

He was promoted to a Jōnin at age of 13.

Which means: 26 - 13 = 13, he was promoted to a Jōnin 13 years before the series start.

Naruto on the start of the series is 12 years old, which means he was born 12 years before the series start.

13 years before the series start - Kakashi was promoted to a Jōnin on the mission to the Kannabi Bridge, where Obito "died".

12 years before the series start - Naruto is born. Obito attacks the Leaf.

How much years are in between?

02) Itachi joining Akatsuki, before the Uchiha Massacre, was always a Fan thing, a theory, an excuse for what Akatsuki said at their meeting about the time of Orochimaru's departure from the organisation.

It was never stated in the Manga as so. Plus, in these reasent Chapters we have new prove of that he joined Akatsuki after the Uchiha Massacre.

Mind Hiruzen's words.

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[NarutoKage2]

Exactly! Itachi starts spying on Akatsuki after the Uchiha Massacre. Itachi executes the Uchiha Massacre at age of 13. On the start of Part One he is 17, on the end of it he is 18. On the end of Part One Akatsuki say that Orochimaru left the organisation "7" years earlier.

18 - 7 = 11

That would make Itachi 11 years old when he executed the Uchiha Massacre, which is wrong, cuz he becomes an ANBU Captain at 13.

That page is evil. :heh:

Unfortunately its two pages that say the exact same thing, not one. The gap between part 1 and 2 is 3 years.Now:

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Its been 7 years, that's said in part 1.

Now, 3 years later in part 2:

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'Its been 10 years since Oro left'

Your timeline is out of date, edit it.
Kishi can make a mistake once, but on this point there is zero doubt. Two different manga pages say the same thing, i.e Oro left Akatsuki 7 years before part 1, or 10 years before part 2(which was 3 years later).