Timeline EXPLANATION
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I agree with the guy who says you need a near dead experience to unlock the rinnegan.
So how about this:
Madara always wanted to inherit the six paths, so he needed to implant a rinnegan within someone with senju DNA.
After his fight with Hashirama, Madara was badly wounded and he awakened the rinnegan somehow. He obtained Hashirama's cells from the fight but he was dying anyway so he couldn't implant them.
So this was the new plan: With the rinnegan he had the ability to create life, thus creating Zetsu, partially with hashirama's cells and gave him the mission to search a suitable host for his rinnegan to revive him afterwards.
Nagato was perfect, he was an uzumaki thus he was a relative from the senju clan (he didn't obtain the rinnegan himself so he needed those cells to control the rinnegans immense chakra drain). Zetsu gave Nagato the rinnegan so he could revive madara when he learned how to control it.
Madara comes back to life, healthy and cured. When he was revived he could take Hashirama's cells from zetsu and implant them within his new healthy body to be one step closer to the SO6P and be able to become the junchuuriki of the ten tails. (Don't know how obito became involved in this mission though).
I also think there are multiple tobi's. Obito is the one with the kamuimask, the spiral thingy (konoha attack) and someone else is the one with the flames mask and the long hair (Yaguura and Uchiha Clan Massacre).
So how about this:
Madara always wanted to inherit the six paths, so he needed to implant a rinnegan within someone with senju DNA.
After his fight with Hashirama, Madara was badly wounded and he awakened the rinnegan somehow. He obtained Hashirama's cells from the fight but he was dying anyway so he couldn't implant them.
So this was the new plan: With the rinnegan he had the ability to create life, thus creating Zetsu, partially with hashirama's cells and gave him the mission to search a suitable host for his rinnegan to revive him afterwards.
Nagato was perfect, he was an uzumaki thus he was a relative from the senju clan (he didn't obtain the rinnegan himself so he needed those cells to control the rinnegans immense chakra drain). Zetsu gave Nagato the rinnegan so he could revive madara when he learned how to control it.
Madara comes back to life, healthy and cured. When he was revived he could take Hashirama's cells from zetsu and implant them within his new healthy body to be one step closer to the SO6P and be able to become the junchuuriki of the ten tails. (Don't know how obito became involved in this mission though).
I also think there are multiple tobi's. Obito is the one with the kamuimask, the spiral thingy (konoha attack) and someone else is the one with the flames mask and the long hair (Yaguura and Uchiha Clan Massacre).
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this whole madara and rinnegan thing is confusing me to.... why?
Madara looks alot younger then danzo. when danzo and the salamander hanzo fought nagato.
Madara looks alot younger then danzo. when danzo and the salamander hanzo fought nagato.
+rep..nicely done mate but there are still things that are confusing like this one. Who is the "HE" that Madara is referring to? It's Tobi of course because Kabuto said the he was "HIS" supporter.Seems after the last chapter everbody is confused about Kishis timeline so I will try to explain it.
So lets say Naruto (not shippuden) started at year 100.
Kakashi age in year 100 was 27 and in the 3rd great ninja war he was 13 that means the 3rd Great Ninja War was 14 years before the start of the series OR in other words in year 86. (Note: Rin and Obito were also 13 too)
Year 86 <---------- 14 years -------- Year 100
-3rd Shinobi world war_________________-start of Naruto
-Kakashi age 13_______________________-Kakashi age 27
-Obito age 13
It was said that the nine-tails attack on konoha occurred 12 years before the start of Naruto. That means in year 88.
Both Kakashi and Obito (Tobi) were 15 at that time. Notice the growth of Kakashi and Gai. Their high matches with Tobis and Minatos heigh.
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As u can see Tobi has short hair.
Year 86 ------- 2 years---------> Year 88 <------ 12 years ------ Year 100
-Kakashi age 13_____________-Kakashi age 15___________________-Start
-Obito age 13_______________-Obito/Tobi age 15 (short hair)
Rin didn't appear in the nine-tails attack on Konoha that means she was dead. Rin died between year 86 and 88.
It was said that the Uchiha clan Massacre took place 5 years before the start of Naruto. That means in year 95. At this time Obito/Tobi was 22 years old.
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And as u can see Tobi has longer hair. So theres no problem with Tobi/Obitos hair. Its just normal hair growth. As in year 88 he had short hair and in year 95 he had longer hair.
Year 88 ------- 7 years---------> Year 95 <------ 5 years ------ Year 100
-Obito/Tobi age 15___________-Obito/Tobi age 22______________-Start
(short hair)__________________(long hair)
Tobi being the mizukage:
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He had also long hair while he controlled the 4th Mizukage so i presume he controled the mizukage around year 95.
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Now we come to the Kakashi promotion age problem.
We all know Kakashi got promoted to chunin at the age of 6 while Rin and Obito got promoted at age of 11. How comes so? They were a team after all. The answer lies in chapter 599.
HINT: Take a good look on their clothes.
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Here we can see Kakashi getting promoted to chunin.
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And here we can see Obito getting promoted to chunin.
The answer is simple. There was a time-skip of 5 years between page 11 and 12 of chapter 599. How do i know that? Here ...
take a good look at team Minatos clothes in the next 3 pages:
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They CHANGED. In page 11 you can see Obito being upset because Kakashi became chunin. So he starts training Shurikenjutsu. And thats where the 5 year time skip occured. Team Minato was 6 years old on page 11 and on page 12 they were 11 as Obito became chunin at age of 11. And again on page 11 another time skip of 2 years occurs when Rin requests Obito to come to the place in page 12. On page 12 they are 13 years old as Kakashi was promoted to Jounin at the age of 13.
Page 11= Team Minato age 6 (Kakashi promoted to Chunin)
5 year time skip (Obito training to become stronger)
Page 12= Team Minato age 11 (Obito and Rin promoted to Chunin)
2 year time skip
Page 13= Team Minato age 13 (Kakashi promoted to Jounin)
As we saw Kakashi and Obito/Tobi are the same age in Kakashi gaiden. And as Kakashi is in Naruto shippuden 30 years old so is also Obito/Tobi 30 years old. Obito/Tobi is 30 years old.
Now lets come to the last part ... the part where Tobi gave Nagato the Rinnegan.
Those who think Tobi gave Nagato the Rinnegan ... WERE JUST FOOLED BY TOBI's IDENTITY AS MADARA!
Konan though Tobi was Madara Uchiha as Tobi fooled her to think as him of Madara:You must be registered for see links
Tobi knows that Konan thinks he is Madara so he is telling her the history of Madara and not himself. So Madara was the one who gave Nagato the Rinnegan:You must be registered for see links
And we all know that Madara awakened the Rinnegan before his death and not Tobi:You must be registered for see links
Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan in hopes that Nagato will master Rinnegan and bring him back to life:You must be registered for see links
Thx for reading
I put allot work in it so pls no rude/insulting posts or I'll report it.
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This ninja war is Madara and Tobi's plan and we know that Nagato awakened rinnegan after the 2nd ninja war. Jiraiya taught them techs for 3 yrs then he went back to Konoha. Minato and Nagato most likely in the same age bracket or Nagato is older by a couple of yrs or more.
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Madara knew who Nagato was and it was said that he gave Nagato his rinnegan. It clearly means that Madara and Tobi's plan took place before Nagato awaken his rinnegan.
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So, if we follow that timeline, the "HE" that Madara was referring could not be Tobi, right? But, it can't be possible because Kabuto replied that he was Tobi's supporter.
How can Tobi be alive during that time if he was indeed Obito? If he was Obito then there could be some sort of time travelling...:shrug:
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The hair is the only thing that throws me off, no other Naruto character has significant hair growth and neither do any other anime character unless their is a laps in time in many years in which we see them and Obito kept his hair short from youth to chapter 599 why the hair change in the middle.
I'm not claiming falsehood on your part, you have good logic and am defending your argument well but the Tobi's hair is an oddity if you are right. I still think it more likely that Obito took time to recover from his trauma from being crushed by a boulder and that their was a predecessor Tobi, but you are one of the only people who has presented good evidence to your argument, and we'll just have to see next week.
I'm not claiming falsehood on your part, you have good logic and am defending your argument well but the Tobi's hair is an oddity if you are right. I still think it more likely that Obito took time to recover from his trauma from being crushed by a boulder and that their was a predecessor Tobi, but you are one of the only people who has presented good evidence to your argument, and we'll just have to see next week.
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GracefulSerenity
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Awesome, man. Thank you for explaining the concept to people that are either to lazy to figure it out for themselves, or to shocked and/or devastated by the revelation of Tobi's identity.
Could you provide the page please? i know anime messed up but i don't remember that in manga. Plus, with kishi messing upp, thats what we're saying, he s a human so he made a mistake which questions chronology that he himself established. By tobi being Obito. I DO believe that was obito we saw, but i don't believe that Tobi is or weas the Obito that we have gotten to know.
datbasianboy
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his explanation is perfect the only part i disagree is the the masked man with long hair is the real Madara not tobi, Madara spoke with itachi and that was Madara controlling the Muzikage, your right hair doesnt grow like that in the narutoverse, oneclue is Madara stance is always the same and itachi is not stupid he would of known if he was talking to real Madara or a fake one
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sealingscroll
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During the Third Shinobi World War, Minato, not yet thirty years of age, was chosen to become the Fourth Hokage
not after. during.
datbasianboy
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for the minato on the hokage mountain was kishi just making a mistake like drawing the raikage with two arms no harm done noone is perfect
Well they HAD to graduate at the same time to be placed in the same team.
It's simple math really.
Kakashi graduated at 5
Obito graduated at 9
4 year difference?
unless Kakashi sat around for four years waiting for Obito to graduate.
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rin was at the age of 9 as well when she graduated. and then 11 at chunin
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Kakashi at age 5 graduated
kakashi at age 6 was chunin
Kakashi at age 13 was jonin
obito at 9 graduated (same as rin)
obito became chunin at age 11 (same as rin)
so between chunin exams and 7 years. alot of stuff happened
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