Timeline EXPLANATION
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I liked the first part, but that's the thing, your timeline is off a bit. Yagura, can't happen in 95 because Zabuza was only a kid, i believe 6 or so when yagura was being controlled. Zabuza is around the same age as kakashi so that would make Obito7-8 tops when he controlled YaguraSeems after the last chapter everbody is confused about Kishis timeline so I will try to explain it.
So lets say Naruto (not shippuden) started at year 100.
Kakashi age in year 100 was 27 and in the 3rd great ninja war he was 13 that means the 3rd Great Ninja War was 14 years before the start of the series OR in other words in year 86. (Note: Rin and Obito were also 13 too)
Year 86 <---------- 14 years -------- Year 100
-3rd Shinobi world war_________________-start of Naruto
-Kakashi age 13_______________________-Kakashi age 27
-Obito age 13
It was said that the nine-tails attack on konoha occurred 12 years before the start of Naruto. That means in year 88.
Both Kakashi and Obito (Tobi) were 15 at that time. Notice the growth of Kakashi and Gai. Their high matches with Tobis and Minatos heigh.
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As u can see Tobi has short hair.
Year 86 ------- 2 years---------> Year 88 <------ 12 years ------ Year 100
-Kakashi age 13_____________-Kakashi age 15___________________-Start
-Obito age 13_______________-Obito/Tobi age 15 (short hair)
Rin didn't appear in the nine-tails attack on Konoha that means she was dead. Rin died between year 86 and 88.
It was said that the Uchiha clan Massacre took place 5 years before the start of Naruto. That means in year 95. At this time Obito/Tobi was 22 years old.
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And as u can see Tobi has longer hair. So theres no problem with Tobi/Obitos hair. Its just normal hair growth. As in year 88 he had short hair and in year 95 he had longer hair.
Year 88 ------- 7 years---------> Year 95 <------ 5 years ------ Year 100
-Obito/Tobi age 15___________-Obito/Tobi age 22______________-Start
(short hair)__________________(long hair)
Tobi being the mizukage:
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He had also long hair while he controlled the 4th Mizukage so i presume he controled the mizukage around year 95.
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Now we come to the Kakashi promotion age problem.
We all know Kakashi got promoted to chunin at the age of 6 while Rin and Obito got promoted at age of 11. How comes so? They were a team after all. The answer lies in chapter 599.
HINT: Take a good look on their clothes.
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Here we can see Kakashi getting promoted to chunin.
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And here we can see Obito getting promoted to chunin.
The answer is simple. There was a time-skip of 5 years between page 11 and 12 of chapter 599. How do i know that? Here ...
take a good look at team Minatos clothes in the next 3 pages:
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They CHANGED. In page 11 you can see Obito being upset because Kakashi became chunin. So he starts training Shurikenjutsu. And thats where the 5 year time skip occured. Team Minato was 6 years old on page 11 and on page 12 they were 11 as Obito became chunin at age of 11. And again on page 11 another time skip of 2 years occurs when Rin requests Obito to come to the place in page 12. On page 12 they are 13 years old as Kakashi was promoted to Jounin at the age of 13.
Page 11= Team Minato age 6 (Kakashi promoted to Chunin)
5 year time skip (Obito training to become stronger)
Page 12= Team Minato age 11 (Obito and Rin promoted to Chunin)
2 year time skip
Page 13= Team Minato age 13 (Kakashi promoted to Jounin)
As we saw Kakashi and Obito/Tobi are the same age in Kakashi gaiden. And as Kakashi is in Naruto shippuden 30 years old so is also Obito/Tobi 30 years old. Obito/Tobi is 30 years old.
Now lets come to the last part ... the part where Tobi gave Nagato the Rinnegan.
Those who think Tobi gave Nagato the Rinnegan ... WERE JUST FOOLED BY TOBI's IDENTITY AS MADARA!
Konan though Tobi was Madara Uchiha as Tobi fooled her to think as him of Madara:You must be registered for see links
Tobi knows that Konan thinks he is Madara so he is telling her the history of Madara and not himself. So Madara was the one who gave Nagato the Rinnegan:You must be registered for see links
And we all know that Madara awakened the Rinnegan before his death and not Tobi:You must be registered for see links
Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan in hopes that Nagato will master Rinnegan and bring him back to life:You must be registered for see links
Thx for reading
I put allot work in it so pls no rude/insulting posts or I'll report it.
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Also, i don't think that Madara played the role of Tobi ever, because he had no reason to wear that specific mask that we've all seen that fits with Obito. Sorry for the double post.
+Rep on the Timeline BUT THE END WHICH I HIGHLITED makes no sense. Explain how it was madara that gave Nagato the rinnegan.Now lets come to the last part ... the part where Tobi gave Nagato the Rinnegan.
Those who think Tobi gave Nagato the Rinnegan ... WERE JUST FOOLED BY TOBI's IDENTITY AS MADARA!
Konan though Tobi was Madara Uchiha as Tobi fooled her to think as him of Madara:You must be registered for see links
Tobi knows that Konan thinks he is Madara so he is telling her the history of Madara and not himself. So Madara was the one who gave Nagato the Rinnegan:You must be registered for see links
And we all know that Madara awakened the Rinnegan before his death and not Tobi:You must be registered for see links
Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan in hopes that Nagato will master Rinnegan and bring him back to life:You must be registered for see links
Thx for reading
I put allot work in it so pls no rude/insulting posts or I'll report it.
If what you say is true then you are assuming that madara was never brought back to life,since he died after the fight with hashirama, and as a result, Tobi/Obit would not know anything about Madara's past since he is ONLY claiming to be him to start a war.
So if obito really is tobi then how would he know about plan to bring back madara?? It is impossible because you are suggesting they are not in it together.
Major plotholes in the end of your post bud. Very good try though.
Also, how would madara give nagato the rinnegan if he was already dead!
couple of other things too. Madara giving Nagato rinnegan wouldnt work either, since Madara died shortly after the fight with hashi, as we see when he is reincarnated. Even if he lived long enough, he'd be dead by old age by the time Nagato awakened Rinnegan.I liked the first part, but that's the thing, your timeline is off a bit. Yagura, can't happen in 95 because Zabuza was only a kid, i believe 6 or so when yagura was being controlled. Zabuza is around the same age as kakashi so that would make Obito7-8 tops when he controlled Yagura
BTW, Kishi messed up timeline in the new manga. Maybe he just forgot his own work
IDK. If you look on one of the pages, i believe11 maybe, Minato is not only the hokage while Obito sin't even a chunin, but the head is engraved too we know that's a huge NO NO!. good effort though. I'd plus rep you if i knew how couple of other things too. Madara giving Nagato rinnegan wouldnt work either, since Madara died shortly after the fight with hashi, as we see when he is reincarnated. Even if he lived long enough, he'd be dead by old age by the time Nagato awakened Rinnegan.
BTW, Kishi messed up timeline in the new manga. Maybe he just forgot his own work
... Didn't Madara come from his coffin and say Nagato's name though?ZeroBeloved
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i agree with the bolded part. also unlocked MS. he wasnt a prodigy.
he saved rin knowing all this i.e her love for kakashi. in the flashback so it still doesnt prove hatred etc
This. ^ Also, Tobi being the same age as Kakashi makes him the same age as Zabuza (Zabuza was 26 in part 1). Zabuza graduated from the Academy at the age 9 when the Village of The Blood Mist occurred, and that's when Yagura was in charge. How in the blue hell does Obito at age 9 infiltrate Kirigakure, confront a Kage who is a Jinchuuriki, and put him under a genjutsu when he hadn't even unlocked his Sharingan yet? And before you say they're not the same, they are. Kisame saw Obitos face back then when he had long hair, and just recently with short hair.
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I don't think the Itachi wiped out the Uchiha 5 years before the start. It happened much closer to the beginning of Naruto.
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Seems after the last chapter everbody is confused about Kishis timeline so I will try to explain it.
So lets say Naruto (not shippuden) started at year 100.
Kakashi age in year 100 was 27 and in the 3rd great ninja war he was 13 that means the 3rd Great Ninja War was 14 years before the start of the series OR in other words in year 86. (Note: Rin and Obito were also 13 too)
Year 86 <---------- 14 years -------- Year 100
-3rd Shinobi world war_________________-start of Naruto
-Kakashi age 13_______________________-Kakashi age 27
-Obito age 13
It was said that the nine-tails attack on konoha occurred 12 years before the start of Naruto. That means in year 88.
Both Kakashi and Obito (Tobi) were 15 at that time. Notice the growth of Kakashi and Gai. Their high matches with Tobis and Minatos heigh.
Kakashi and Guy:You must be registered for see links
Tobi:You must be registered for see links
As u can see Tobi has short hair.
Year 86 ------- 2 years---------> Year 88 <------ 12 years ------ Year 100
-Kakashi age 13_____________-Kakashi age 15___________________-Start
-Obito age 13_______________-Obito/Tobi age 15 (short hair)
Rin didn't appear in the nine-tails attack on Konoha that means she was dead. Rin died between year 86 and 88.
It was said that the Uchiha clan Massacre took place 5 years before the start of Naruto. That means in year 95. At this time Obito/Tobi was 22 years old.
He and Itachi meet at this time:You must be registered for see links
And as u can see Tobi has longer hair. So theres no problem with Tobi/Obitos hair. Its just normal hair growth. As in year 88 he had short hair and in year 95 he had longer hair.
Year 88 ------- 7 years---------> Year 95 <------ 5 years ------ Year 100
-Obito/Tobi age 15___________-Obito/Tobi age 22______________-Start
(short hair)__________________(long hair)
Tobi being the mizukage:
You must be registered for see links
He had also long hair while he controlled the 4th Mizukage so i presume he controled the mizukage around year 95.
You must be registered for see links
Now we come to the Kakashi promotion age problem.
We all know Kakashi got promoted to chunin at the age of 6 while Rin and Obito got promoted at age of 11. How comes so? They were a team after all. The answer lies in chapter 599.
HINT: Take a good look on their clothes.
You must be registered for see links
Here we can see Kakashi getting promoted to chunin.
You must be registered for see links
And here we can see Obito getting promoted to chunin.
The answer is simple. There was a time-skip of 5 years between page 11 and 12 of chapter 599. How do i know that? Here ...
take a good look at team Minatos clothes in the next 3 pages:
You must be registered for see links
You must be registered for see links
You must be registered for see links
They CHANGED. In page 11 you can see Obito being upset because Kakashi became chunin. So he starts training Shurikenjutsu. And thats where the 5 year time skip occured. Team Minato was 6 years old on page 11 and on page 12 they were 11 as Obito became chunin at age of 11. And again on page 11 another time skip of 2 years occurs when Rin requests Obito to come to the place in page 12. On page 12 they are 13 years old as Kakashi was promoted to Jounin at the age of 13.
Page 11= Team Minato age 6 (Kakashi promoted to Chunin)
5 year time skip (Obito training to become stronger)
Page 12= Team Minato age 11 (Obito and Rin promoted to Chunin)
2 year time skip
Page 13= Team Minato age 13 (Kakashi promoted to Jounin)
As we saw Kakashi and Obito/Tobi are the same age in Kakashi gaiden. And as Kakashi is in Naruto shippuden 30 years old so is also Obito/Tobi 30 years old. Obito/Tobi is 30 years old.
Now lets come to the last part ... the part where Tobi gave Nagato the Rinnegan.
Those who think Tobi gave Nagato the Rinnegan ... WERE JUST FOOLED BY TOBI's IDENTITY AS MADARA!
Konan though Tobi was Madara Uchiha as Tobi fooled her to think as him of Madara:You must be registered for see links
Tobi knows that Konan thinks he is Madara so he is telling her the history of Madara and not himself. So Madara was the one who gave Nagato the Rinnegan:You must be registered for see links
And we all know that Madara awakened the Rinnegan before his death and not Tobi:You must be registered for see links
Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan in hopes that Nagato will master Rinnegan and bring him back to life:You must be registered for see links
Thx for reading
I put allot work in it so pls no rude/insulting posts or I'll report it.
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FlamingTurtle
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YOu misunderstood. MADARA himself couldn't have given Nagato rinnegan. Timeline doesn't allow it. I dont remember honestly
but he mightve had different ways to give the eyes. Maybe he's all knowing (du dum ) and knew that a boy with potential would be born idk.
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There is a major flaw in your timeline. Two actually.
First you did not proved any hight equality. The image you are refering to in no way proves that Kakashi and Guy are the same hight of Minato, nor does it prove they are the same hight of Tobi at that time. I would go on and rant about people shooting off conclusions just because they posted a scan, but I'm too tired so I'll just say this. Posting a scan and stating something is not enough. The scan needs to prove the point you are making otherwise it's just decorative. Needless to say that the bridge between your hypothesis and the proven facts all lay on this major point, Tobi's age. And you did not prove it to be Obito's.
The secound reason why it has no logic for him to be Obito is the following.
Minato is a genius and at the the time of their fight Tobi is an almost even match. Obito is not a genius, but by implying that Tobi is Obito one must accept that a Kid that was not particularly talented went from chunin level to Kage level without no support, help or guided training. Not only he went Kage level he learned all by himself in just 2 years all there is to know about Kage's secret protocol, Anbu's strategy, high level sealing techniques how to summon and control the nine tails, etc... It simply doesn't add up.
I'm not saying that it can't be Obito, or his body but what I mean is that you didn't prove nothing and your time line doesn't include the necessary prep time for all that happened. If it really is Obito than alot has to be explained, mainly who was the first Tobi and who helped Obito become Tobi next.
First you did not proved any hight equality. The image you are refering to in no way proves that Kakashi and Guy are the same hight of Minato, nor does it prove they are the same hight of Tobi at that time. I would go on and rant about people shooting off conclusions just because they posted a scan, but I'm too tired so I'll just say this. Posting a scan and stating something is not enough. The scan needs to prove the point you are making otherwise it's just decorative. Needless to say that the bridge between your hypothesis and the proven facts all lay on this major point, Tobi's age. And you did not prove it to be Obito's.
The secound reason why it has no logic for him to be Obito is the following.
Minato is a genius and at the the time of their fight Tobi is an almost even match. Obito is not a genius, but by implying that Tobi is Obito one must accept that a Kid that was not particularly talented went from chunin level to Kage level without no support, help or guided training. Not only he went Kage level he learned all by himself in just 2 years all there is to know about Kage's secret protocol, Anbu's strategy, high level sealing techniques how to summon and control the nine tails, etc... It simply doesn't add up.
I'm not saying that it can't be Obito, or his body but what I mean is that you didn't prove nothing and your time line doesn't include the necessary prep time for all that happened. If it really is Obito than alot has to be explained, mainly who was the first Tobi and who helped Obito become Tobi next.