We already know not everybody in each clan can't use all of the clans powers and Madara also said that he gave the Rinnegan to Nagato not to mention Madara is immortal and took Hashiramas DNA along time ago so we dont know if NAgato did get the rinnegan first. It says in the manga that the Uzumaki clan are distant relatives of the Senju clan, meaning in turn they are also distant relatives to the uchiha clan since the clans are relatives themselves.
ok that is possible i am not denying that but if he had all those paths why did he not use any of its abilities, he could have owned naruto without even using any ninjutsu, read what the sage could do he could make imagination into reality, he could have done that but did not which is what makes me to believe he is one path.
+ rep, i've been confused about everything Madara says about anything. i understand he is like 3000000 years old now and majored in history @ konoha university and all, but they way he puts things is he answers a question, but leaves you asking another question then just moves on. i'm kinda hoping that he screws up and contradicts himself then the world will melt.
He probably didn't use them because while using the six paths jutsu he could only use those paths powers. Kabuto was controlling him so it wasn't him acting on his own. You have to question if kabuto even knew about it. he probably didn't and he only knew of the paths jutsu.
I think I threw that issue out, I'll scan the underside that shows the viz info etc... If thats not enough I'll pick up the libraries issue and make a vid for it if they have that issue in. They were in my scanner and I remembered why I tore them out for and made this post.
@s0ulja its possible however the fan translation gives the impression that its six different people not that each one was a sage of the six paths.
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@arv993 I have that page to its the reverse to one of the pages.
He probably didn't use them because while using the six paths jutsu he could only use those paths powers. Kabuto was controlling him so it wasn't him acting on his own. You have to question if kabuto even knew about it. he probably didn't and he only knew of the paths jutsu.
I think I threw that issue out, I'll scan the underside that shows the viz info etc... If thats not enough I'll pick up the libraries issue and make a vid for it if they have that issue in. They were in my scanner and I remembered why I tore them out for and made this post.
@s0ulja its possible however the fan translation gives the impression that its six different people not that each one was a sage of the six paths.
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@arv993 I have that page to its the reverse to one of the pages.
why did he not use it when hanzo killed yahiko to turn it into nothing but a dream and he could have used when he first met naruto face to face or when he was fighting against sage mode to save all the trouble. There just seems to be too many loose ends here. I think the best thing is to wait and see what happens in the manga when madara is using hiis powers. kabuto seemed to kno how to use nagato's powers well he knew how to take their lives out and then replace them later he seemed to have extensive knowledge on nagato's powers.
Izanagi only works on the individual. Madara himself even says the jutsu is casted on the user. I'll make a trip to the library and shoot a vid of that explanation to I guess. However because he has hell path he could have just revived him. At this point he may not have even known himself how to use it or in a blind rage he just reacted. We also don't know if hell path can revive anyone or only those killed him the user. Its a possibility that madara/tobi taught him how to use the powers of the rinnegan. Jiraiya states nagato could use any jutsu he wanted since age 10 but he might have used the paths jutsu without realizing it. So little is known about the time between when jiraiya left and akatsuki was created.
does that mean so6p = uchiha+senju ?
1st original so6p ...his two sons -> senju+ancient uchiha
2nd madara...his uchiha_hashi's dna
3rd nagato...rinnegan
Izanagi only works on the individual. Madara himself even says the jutsu is casted on the user. I'll make a trip to the library and shoot a vid of that explanation to I guess. However because he has hell path he could have just revived him. At this point he may not have even known himself how to use it or in a blind rage he just reacted. We also don't know if hell path can revive anyone or only those killed him the user. Its a possibility that madara/tobi taught him how to use the powers of the rinnegan. Jiraiya states nagato could use any jutsu he wanted since age 10 but he might have used the paths jutsu without realizing it. So little is known about the time between when jiraiya left and akatsuki was created.
dude he could have used the abilitiies at this point too
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why would he just try to control him with a rod. it just seems that nagato had many opportunities to use izangi or genjutsu but he never did. He would not need to go through all that effort.
izangi has the ability to make imagination into reality so he can change anything even like how his feet were burned of but if he used it would not have.
There are just too many loose ends with this, but i guess we will kno more once we progress in the manga more.
@s0ulja That is what I think he implies. The whole bloodline stuff can bee seen when tobi explains everything to naruto in the iron country during the gokage summit.
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@arv993 here is the fan sub I'll do a vid of this book if its in kk.
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looks like I'm adding more work on my to-do list after school. True as we saw when he drained bee's chakra he was young and whole again. Ultimately though he used the six paths jutsu for what ever reason. Nagato admits he is not as good as the sage was when he created chibaku tensei. If madara truly taught him how to use the rinnegan he probably kept some secrets to himself.
well by that theory naruto may very well become the 4th so6p..since he alredy acquired the 'yang' power, and he need is the 'yin' ..mayb if he could somehow get hold of the other half of kyubi minato sealed away...
I wouldn't say theory since tobi/madara explained the details himself to kakashi,yamato, and naruto. We know that both naruto and nagato are uzumaki(nagato more pure then naruto, note: his mom and nagato both have red hair) so they are related to the sage in some way since they are blood relatives to the senju. Naruto most resembles the sage in his current fox mode. If you look at the image of the rinnegan though it would seem the sages wasn't the same as nagatos. Someone drew tome over it as if to correct the drawing.
^ i believe sage's eyes were influenced by the jubi...since it had one eye which looked like a combination of rinnegan+sharingan
like how naruto's eyes change when he gets kyubi's chakra
Explains why madara has both. Of course there is something special about that sharingan he does have. I hope they reveal more about how the sharingan came from the rinnegan. The son born with his eyes can't been seen clearly enough to make out if he had the sharingan or the rinnegan. To many unknowns to say for certain. Since the sage wrote everything down on a tablet which the uchiha have it would explain why he knows so much about the sages jutsu and powers. For nagato someone who awakened it by chance it explains his lack of full mastery and usage of its power. The sage truly was a scary guy and this begs the question of whether or not bloodline limits like ice or lava are descendants of the sage as well, since they have a natural affinity to use two elements at the same time.
let kishi revael us more. Becus with the rinnegan nagato was supposed to do almost all techs and it was easy learning it, its highly likely that he did not have the uchiha blood that did not allow him to high lvl genjutsu or IZangi the ultimate genjutsu, i don't think learning it was the problem. In the manga we have been revealed that he is only a distant relative of the senju, we'll see more of this definitely.
To me personally, the first two pages you posted are not a correct translation. The reason I believe this is because the idea that Madara was the second SO6P and Nagato the third makes no sense logically. We know for a fact that Madara is collecting the Biju's to complete his body, which means he has yet to achieve SO6P status. I mean why the heck would kishi heavily involve Madara in the story AFTER he achieved this status? It just wouldn't make sense to the story. Obviously he has not yet achieved that state and the whole point to the story right now is to see whether or not he will succeed.
Beyond that, we also know that Nagato was only an uzumaki and could not use techniques like Izangi because not only did he lack Uchiha DNA, but he also didn't have any sharingan to boot! There is no way Nagato was the third SO6P and again, there would be little point to knowing this after the fact anyway. All the evidence points to your translation being wrong and the 3 paths translation being right. That's what I think.
I dont think he refers to nagato as the third sage of six paths. the sage of six paths is someone else entirely. i think he means that nagato is the third who directly decends from the sage of six paths in the current timeline
