[Discussion] Thoughts on the supernatural?

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Anything Supernatural (not the tv show >_>) that people have experienced or believe?

I've witnessed Ghosts/Spirits, Possession, Demons (pretty much just evil spirits I guess).

I'm not looking to convince anyone, I just want a discussion and maybe hear some stories.
 

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Sometimes, I think I see shadow people. Especially when I get sleep paralysis.
What level of detail do you see? I've woken up in the middle of the night and seen someone crouched by my bed (I was sleeping on a mattress on the floor) looking at me and I could make out some features but it was dark of course.
 

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What level of detail do you see? I've woken up in the middle of the night and seen someone crouched by my bed (I was sleeping on a mattress on the floor) looking at me and I could make out some features but it was dark of course.
I could only see a dark humanoid outline, no other special features.
 

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Ghosts and such similar things are simply a figment of people's imagination, after all we're really good at that. Possession stories come form a time when mental illnesses were not known, so a person like that would be branded as possessed by the devil or some other nonsense.

But no I don't believe in any of that as there is no evidence, nor have I ever experienced anything of that sort.
 

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Ghosts and such similar things are simply a figment of people's imagination, after all we're really good at that. Possession stories come form a time when mental illnesses were not known, so a person like that would be branded as possessed by the devil or some other nonsense.

But no I don't believe in any of that as there is no evidence, nor have I ever experienced anything of that sort.
Yeah its why I don't bother to try and convince people anymore, only way for most people is for them to experience it themselves so they can come to their own conclusions based on their first hand evidence.

I will say though, having sat through an old school exorcism and watching a possessed person's face turn from female to male is as horrifying as it sounds, and honestly would make most people question their mental status and imagination.
 

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I could only see a dark humanoid outline, no other special features.

I've seen the same humanoid like figure in my focus but always a glimpse of this entity from my peripherals.. Been seeing this thing for years but never in detail.. WTF!.. I thought i was the only1 seeing this thing an never heard any1else say anything about such entities so i kept it to myself..

WTF is this thing, I wonder..
 

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Yeah its why I don't bother to try and convince people anymore, only way for most people is for them to experience it themselves so they can come to their own conclusions based on their first hand evidence.

I will say though, having sat through an old school exorcism and watching a possessed person's face turn from female to male is as horrifying as it sounds, and honestly would make most people question their mental status and imagination.
I won't have such experience because my mind is not fickle and it doesn't play tricks on me. In reality none of these stories stand a chance against logical reasoning. I've seen people being frozen with fear thinking they saw something in the dark, when it was just a shirt on a hanger.

'blind belief gives rise to acceptance of proof'

if you already convinced yourself of that, then you'll probably keep seeing ghosts.
 
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Really good show, took a dip in seasons 6-7 but gradually picked itself back up from Season 8 onwards. Mad glad season 4-5 shit like Pellegrino and the Colt are making a comeback.
~_~ I knew that as soon as I wrote supernatural you'd come and talk about the show. But yeah it is a good show tho, I agree it did drag a bit, but picked back up with Cain imo.

I won't have such experience because my mind is not fickle and it doesn't play tricks on me. In reality none of these stories stand a chance against logical reasoning. I've seen people being frozen with fear thinking they saw something in the dark, when it was just a shirt on a hanger.

'blind belief gives rise to acceptance of proof'

if you already convinced yourself of that, then you'll probably keep seeing ghosts.
You don't have full control of your mind lol, you are a fool if you think you have total control when technically what you see isn't certain to be reality, but there's no proof for either way of thinking.

Also seeing things in the dark vs seeing things in a clearly lit room (this isn't a horror movie) is clearly a different situation and can't be compared to each other.

Your quote works against you, you are going on blind belief yourself, you ironically just can't see it yet.
 

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You don't have full control of your mind lol, you are a fool if you think you have total control when technically what you see isn't certain to be reality, but there's no proof for either way of thinking.

Also seeing things in the dark vs seeing things in a clearly lit room (this isn't a horror movie) is clearly a different situation and can't be compared to each other.

Your quote works against you, you are going on blind belief yourself, you ironically just can't see it yet.
That was just an example, in doesn't matter what the "room" is. This is no different than the Bigfoot and Loch Ness Monster stories.

Also my quote doesn't work against me at all, as I have no belief in ghosts simply because they are not scientifically proven. The only "proof" is from people saying they saw them, which is very unreliable considering all the fake conspiracy theories out there.

But anyway this is a pointless conversation. Much like debating religion.
 

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Can't we all just agree that there are things in this life we don't comprehend fully? There are things that are beyond what is logical but they do happen. But ultimately, these things come with experience. I can't force you to believe if you yourself have not experienced it. So, I would ask to keep an open mind. Life is much more magical that way compared to the shit show that reality is.

^__^
 

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That was just an example, in doesn't matter what the "room" is. This is no different than the Bigfoot and Loch Ness Monster stories.

Also my quote doesn't work against me at all, as I have no belief in ghosts simply because they are not scientifically proven. The only "proof" is from people saying they saw them, which is very unreliable considering all the fake conspiracy theories out there.

But anyway this is a pointless conversation. Much like debating religion.
Come on now, don't try and straw man me, you can't lump each situation together. Different circumstances and context in each "example" means you can't try and say that because certain examples may seem bogus that they all are, that's just scientifically illogical.

Your sentence can be rephrased to "I believe that ghosts don't exist because other people haven't proven it for me". That's blind belief bro, sorry but because you can't prove your claims that pretty much makes them blind, especially when you rely on others to provide your proof.

It's not a pointless conversation, it's only pointless because you aren't open to the thought of the unknown, which anybody interested in science/logic should be.
 

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Let me give you a basic gestalt.

The Elite are all about transcendence, and living forever, and the secrets of the Universe. We are on this planet, and Einstein's physics showed it, Max Planck's physics showed it: there's at least 12 dimensions, and all the top scientists and billionaires are coming out, saying it's a false hologram. It is artificial; the computers are scanning it and finding tension points where it's artificially projected, and gravity is bleeding into this universe - that's what they call dark matter - so we are like a thought or a dream that's a wisp in some computer program, some God's mind or whatever.

There is this "Sub-transmission Zone" below the third dimension which is turned over to the most horrible things - that's what it resonates to - and it's trying to get up into the third dimension (that's just a basic level consciousness, to launch into the next levels.) And our species is already way up at the fifth/sixth dimension consciousnally [SIC] (our best people). But there's this war, trying to basically destroy Humanity, because Humanity has free will. And there's a decision - which level we want to go to. We have free will, so Evil is allowed to come and contend (and not just good). And the Elites themselves believe they are racing, using human technology, to try to take our best minds and build some type of breakaway civilization, where they are going to merge with machines, transcend and break away from the 'failed species' that is Man.

Google believes the first AI will be a supercomputer based on the neuron activity of the 'hive-mind' of humanity, with billions of people wired into the 'Internet of Things.' And so all of our thoughts go into it, and we are actually building a computer that has real neurons, in real time, that is also psychically connected to us that are organic creatures. So that they will have current prediction powers, future prediction powers, a true 'crystal ball.' But the big secret is, once you have the 'crystal ball' and know the future, you can add stimuli beforehand and make decisions that control the future. And so then it's the end of consciousness and free will for individuals as we know it, and a true "2.0" in a very bad way. Hive-mind consciousness with an AI jacked into everyone, knowing our hopes and dreams, delivering it to us - not into some "P.K.D. Wire-head System" where we plug in and give up on consciousness because of unlimited pleasure - but because we were already wired in and absorbed before we knew it, by giving over our consciousness to this system by our daily decisions that it was able to manipulate and control into a larger system.

The Devil, whatever you want to call this interdimensional thing that gives them advanced off-world technology, The Fallen One that's not of this world, is giving them advanced knowledge on how to construct these systems that have already been used before on other populations. This is an interdimensional force that wants to influence us to build something that absorbs us and kills us, rather than the Divine free will we are given to build something much better that empowers the species. So the species is now making a decision about its entire future. They believe we are this ugly, fallen, ugly species: we all need to be killed, they are the rich billionaires who are better than us, and they are going to merge with machines and become Gods and go to the next level.
 

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Let me give you a basic gestalt.

The Elite are all about transcendence, and living forever, and the secrets of the Universe. We are on this planet, and Einstein's physics showed it, Max Planck's physics showed it: there's at least 12 dimensions, and all the top scientists and billionaires are coming out, saying it's a false hologram. It is artificial; the computers are scanning it and finding tension points where it's artificially projected, and gravity is bleeding into this universe - that's what they call dark matter - so we are like a thought or a dream that's a wisp in some computer program, some God's mind or whatever.

There is this "Sub-transmission Zone" below the third dimension which is turned over to the most horrible things - that's what it resonates to - and it's trying to get up into the third dimension (that's just a basic level consciousness, to launch into the next levels.) And our species is already way up at the fifth/sixth dimension consciousnally [SIC] (our best people). But there's this war, trying to basically destroy Humanity, because Humanity has free will. And there's a decision - which level we want to go to. We have free will, so Evil is allowed to come and contend (and not just good). And the Elites themselves believe they are racing, using human technology, to try to take our best minds and build some type of breakaway civilization, where they are going to merge with machines, transcend and break away from the 'failed species' that is Man.

Google believes the first AI will be a supercomputer based on the neuron activity of the 'hive-mind' of humanity, with billions of people wired into the 'Internet of Things.' And so all of our thoughts go into it, and we are actually building a computer that has real neurons, in real time, that is also psychically connected to us that are organic creatures. So that they will have current prediction powers, future prediction powers, a true 'crystal ball.' But the big secret is, once you have the 'crystal ball' and know the future, you can add stimuli beforehand and make decisions that control the future. And so then it's the end of consciousness and free will for individuals as we know it, and a true "2.0" in a very bad way. Hive-mind consciousness with an AI jacked into everyone, knowing our hopes and dreams, delivering it to us - not into some "P.K.D. Wire-head System" where we plug in and give up on consciousness because of unlimited pleasure - but because we were already wired in and absorbed before we knew it, by giving over our consciousness to this system by our daily decisions that it was able to manipulate and control into a larger system.

The Devil, whatever you want to call this interdimensional thing that gives them advanced off-world technology, The Fallen One that's not of this world, is giving them advanced knowledge on how to construct these systems that have already been used before on other populations. This is an interdimensional force that wants to influence us to build something that absorbs us and kills us, rather than the Divine free will we are given to build something much better that empowers the species. So the species is now making a decision about its entire future. They believe we are this ugly, fallen, ugly species: we all need to be killed, they are the rich billionaires who are better than us, and they are going to merge with machines and become Gods and go to the next level.
This quote came to mind.

Unknown (to me at least) said:
“Every human being is the author of his own health or disease.”
For us humans, it is easy to point the finger at someone else but ultimately our greed and pride play a part in things like that coming to fruition.

There was an interesting study concerning AI that was done by google I think or some company. And the answers it gave astounded the scientists because the answers were simply profound. I wish I could find the article I read. I'll post it if I find it.
 

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It is possible. My entire work day is filled with the preternatural. Supernatural, I am not sure. I keep an open mind, as there is much we don't understand about our universe. I have seen some eerie things, but they were most likely just my own sub-conscious projecting/imagination.
 
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