[Discussion] This doesn't make sense!!

[Xāvî1]

This doesn't make any Sense!!

Since Naruto is over I spend most of my freetime reading FT. As usual I was reading the Tartaros Arc once more when I bumped across this.

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According to Zeref, Tartaros was created by END. Also According to Mard Geer it was done 400 years back before END was sealed back leaving Mard Geer in Charge..

Now lets look into who END really is.
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Etherious Natsu Dragneel, brother to Zeref Dragneel and also known as the strongest demon from the book of zeref.
Who was born 400 years back, then sealed back inside the book of END. Now here is where its most confusing. When Zeref sealed Mard Geer into his book, Mard Geer just vanished.

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So accordingly when zeref sealed back END (which I believe strongly its his doing) Natsu also should have vanished inside the book of END.

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But he did not. Instead we see (according to Natsu's memories) a kid Natsu playing around with Igneel. Which doesn't make any sense honestly. And if zeref sealed natsu 400 years back, then how come he is so young. Also those memories of Natsu doesn't seem to be very old.

Discuss.

 

[King of the Heavens]

Natsu was human originally that died and was brought back using magic so he is a human/demon and the thing that was sealed was only his demon half, basically his other half was sealed something like Ichigo and his hollow form like 2 sides of a coin. his human dragon side and hid powerful etherious demon side.

 

[Xāvî1]

Natsu was human originally that died and was brought back using magic so he is a human/demon and the thing that was sealed was only his demon half, basically his other half was sealed something like Ichigo and his hollow form like 2 sides of a coin. his human dragon side and hid powerful etherious demon side.

Okay but that doesn't explain how is he so young after 400+ years.

 

[King of the Heavens]

Maybe Zeref put him to sleep to preserve his body like what happened at Tenruujima and Igneel found a kid, but because he loves humans he couldn't bring himself to kill a child and decided to take him in as his child or train him.

 

[Nagi]

Natsu was human originally that died and was brought back using magic so he is a human/demon and the thing that was sealed was only his demon half, basically his other half was sealed something like Ichigo and his hollow form like 2 sides of a coin. his human dragon side and hid powerful etherious demon side.

Seriously? Man, I'm glad I stop reading/watching that shit!

 

[King of the Heavens]

Seriously? Man, I'm glad I stop reading/watching that shit!

yeah man

i nearly stopped watching it but the tartaros arc was okay and now this new empire.... you should come back home to fairy tail

 

[Xāvî1]

Seriously? Man, I'm glad I stop reading/watching that shit!

So whats wrong with that. If rinne tensei can bring dead people back so why not magic? If you have nothing to discuss on topic get your ass out of here.

 

[Nagi]

So whats wrong with that. If rinne tensei can bring dead people back so why not magic? If you have nothing to discuss on topic get your ass out of here.

I was gone, you just bought me back. Failed human.

 

[joodaa]

Tbh there are still a lot of unanswered questions, and at the end of the last memoirs Zeref did say there would be more so hopefully they will be answered then. As for the age thing, Natsu went to sleep and when he woke up Igneel was gone, so I'm guessing it was magic similar to the what Mavis used to save FT. Although I have no idea how a young Natsu created Tarterous, maybe when END is released he transforms completely, which would also explain why Mard didn't recognise Natsu, if he's seen END, which I have no idea whether he has or has not.

 

[Dãrth1]

I'd guess that something reverted Adult Natsu (END) back to children and Igneel took him, or his demon transformations transforms him into adult.

 

[Black Mamba]

Tbh there are still a lot of unanswered questions, and at the end of the last memoirs Zeref did say there would be more so hopefully they will be answered then. As for the age thing, Natsu went to sleep and when he woke up Igneel was gone, so I'm guessing it was magic similar to the what Mavis used to save FT. Although I have no idea how a young Natsu created Tarterous, maybe when END is released he transforms completely, which would also explain why Mard didn't recognise Natsu, if he's seen END, which I have no idea whether he has or has not.

That doesn't really make sense either, Natsu was 7ish when Igneel disapeared on july 7th 777. If he was raised from birth to 7 years old 400+ ago and then randomly wokeup on july 7 777 im pretty sure he would noticed the differences

OT: Yeah there's a lot of unanswered things, like how Igneel tried destroying END 400 years ago and failed to do so, but ends up training and raising him 400 years later.

Also what I don't get is how none of the Demons of Zeref didn't know who Natsu was, even thou Mard Geer said the END himself made him in charge of Tartorus. Even if END has a different from, they should atleast know that END stands for Etherious Natsu Dragneel

Everything's a mystery right now hopefully we get a good explanation without any plot holes.

 

[milkydean]

Zeref intended to kill mard, hence he burned, as for end, zeref is his brother, no way he is gonna kill him
And he was probably sealed after he fought igneel
We will have to wait to see how things went

 

[Spha]

I think we are misunderstandin what exactly was on Zeref Memoirs, he said he had completed his two goals a which is "bring his brother back and creating the strongest ethelious out there" so I think that Zeref brought his brother personality and somehow add demonic power into him becouse it was the only way to bring him back

What I'm saying is that their are 2 natsu's...the one we see evryday and the one called END, they both share the same DNA but for the one called a damon he needs Natsu body and to be unsealed from the book to exist, I don't think there is a case of memory loss, the Natsu we know isn't what Zeref was talkin about, in chapter 368 or 369 he said something like "either you or END" will reach me....

So in order for Natsu to be human he needs to overpower END, END is vacious and evil...and I have a feeling that even if END is released he may come out of the book as a spirit that need Natsu body to exist, bt once he got in, the body complitly changes to the form of his spirit.

 

[Xāvî1]

That doesn't really make sense either, Natsu was 7ish when Igneel disapeared on july 7th 777. If he was raised from birth to 7 years old 400+ ago and then randomly wokeup on july 7 777 im pretty sure he would noticed the differences

OT: Yeah there's a lot of unanswered things, like how Igneel tried destroying END 400 years ago and failed to do so, but ends up training and raising him 400 years later.

Also what I don't get is how none of the Demons of Zeref didn't know who Natsu was, even thou Mard Geer said the END himself made him in charge of Tartorus. Even if END has a different from, they should atleast know that END stands for Etherious Natsu Dragneel

Those clowns of Tartaros fought their own master and don't even know who he is. Now thats one serious plot hole isn't it. Atleast Mard Geer should have known.

Zeref intended to kill mard, hence he burned, as for end, zeref is his brother, no way he is gonna kill him
And he was probably sealed after he fought igneel
We will have to wait to see how things went

When did who fight igneel??

 

[Relostar Devil]

Actually regarding your question theories had been posted before stating that dragons brought all their dragon slayers in present time from eclipse gate to protect them from zeref. That's why natsu is young and only remembers his childhood playing with igneel bcoz he was sealed back then. That's why even lucy siad in the first chp when she first heard about dragons that, "dragons I thought they were legendary".

 

[milkydean]

Those clowns of Tartaros fought their own master and don't even know who he is. Now thats one serious plot hole isn't it. Atleast Mard Geer should have known.



When did who fight igneel??

igneel fought end before
atlas flame said it ,that igneel couldnt destroy him

 

[- J AV -]

Actually regarding your question theories had been posted before stating that dragons brought all their dragon slayers in present time from eclipse gate to protect them from zeref. That's why natsu is young and only remembers his childhood playing with igneel bcoz he was sealed back then. That's why even lucy siad in the first chp when she first heard about dragons that, "dragons I thought they were legendary".

Eclipse gate yeah, Possible.

@Xavi: Bro Me too
I noticed that thing and lol read again tartaros arc just after Zeref confirmed Natsu=END

Now about Mard geer not recognizing Natsu being END. Most likely I believe Natsu has dual personality or may be another demon spirit [END] as said earlier by somebody. When Natsu was created I think that his demonic form took over his body.Here I think Natsu as END dont realise what he is doing and also he's got totally differnt form than current human form. Possibley Mard Geer and other tartaros demon never saw END's human form. END than created Tratros and put in charge Mard geer. but later than sealed away in BOOK . These are my thoughts just.

 

[Xāvî1]

Eclipse gate yeah, Possible.

@Xavi: Bro Me too
I noticed that thing and lol read again tartaros arc just after Zeref confirmed Natsu=END

Now about Mard geer not recognizing Natsu being END. Most likely I believe Natsu has dual personality or may be another demon spirit [END] as said earlier by somebody. When Natsu was created I think that his demonic form took over his body.Here I think Natsu as END dont realise what he is doing and also he's got totally differnt form than current human form. Possibley Mard Geer and other tartaros demon never saw END's human form. END than created Tratros and put in charge Mard geer. but later than sealed away in BOOK . These are my thoughts just.

Well but still there is a question remaining, as you saw in that scan i posted, when zeref sealed MG he vanished into smoke, but natsu is still there.

 

[Dãrth1]

Well but still there is a question remaining, as you saw in that scan i posted, when zeref sealed MG he vanished into smoke, but natsu is still there.

Maybe Igneel separated Natsu from END and raised Natsu?

 

[Xāvî1]

Didn't he fail in dealing with END?