This chapter Showed Naruto's stupidity!
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Your mistaking softheartedness for stupidity .... also rationality alone doesnt bring happiness u know? (Just look at Tobirama, Danzo etc) ..... Obito was potentially convinced of mistakes and could have been used against Madara by using him at least as a sorce of in formation, killing him would have taken away that chance ..... also if a certain somone didnt let his emotion run over his rationality Sasuke himself wouldnt have had the chance to see this day ....
No need to be hurt over the fact that I dont like the crap you spew ....
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I was reaally hoping sasuke will kill him, dnt know y kakashi interfered, then minato stopping kakashi. I really want obito to die I dnt like that guy. Its times like this that I cnt take narutos character seriously
Who said I was hurt over anything?
I thought Kakashi was spewing rubbish simply because, Naruto will get what he wants. He was able to 'change' Nagato because of a book and this made Nagato sacrifice his own life to bring others back.
The notion that Naruto's way will partially succeed has died a long time ago.
No idea Kishi had Kakashi say that, considering what has transpired before and during this 'war'.
Well .... if every people were able to agree universally then we would not have had any problems in the first place .... that is why we need a good majority to suppress the bad minority .... while there may not be most 'right way' there IS the most prosperous, kind hearted way ...
Yet reading 615 brought about a change in you attitude as far as I can see .... so proper words used can not change people's opinions you say? I dont know about you but as someone who had resolved a fair few conflicts I disagree .... while not all problems can be solved, many of them can be and world will be a better place for it.
Okey Kishi ....
Yeah right .... just like Hashirama's way was universally accepted and brought rainbows and flowers in permanently .... you never realized the true meaning behind 'Never giving up' and 'trusting the next generation' did u? (Just combine them and you will see)
Yet there is huge majority of people who believe in the Human Rights and their struggles brings the same advantages and ideals to those who lack it and the world is better for it (You think this was a feat was done in mere moments, it was done one person at a time over a long period of time) .... you underestimate the power of belief and the concentrate on the things that devides us instead of things that unites us.
Also can you give me reasons why Naruto will not be another Hashirama ... other than assumptions that is.
Who said the Naruto will end the way you think it will end? ..... oh wait it was assumption.
Yes okey Kishi ... keep thinking.
That book contained Nagato's initial hopes and dreams .... Naruto just managed to 'change back' Nagato .... but I wonder how Naruto TnJ has worked on people who are sinister through and through .....
The younger Nagato would have done the same ..... Naruto just gave him hope.
If people had read Hashirama's story this way the people might have thought that his system would have brought peace and prosperity permanently when it was all good and working .... but we know how it turned out in the end.
Perhaps Kishi IS giving subtle hints that Naruto will not succeed completely but he will have to try his best and trust the rest to the future generations .... isnt that what all this manga is about. You need to get yourself rid of convictions to accept things in new ways.
Naruto will have the chance to harden .... he is 16 as of yet ...
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What is "good majority" and "bad minorty"? can we really build our future on it? Didn't Jews got burnt by results of Inquisition system in Europe because of for the sake of the justice and truth some people believe in; no one says "i am doing this for being bad", they are doing it because that's what they believe, and that's ironically for a greater good.
"Will of Fire" can be viewed at different perception, not the righteous way that is presented.
People's ideals are built on certain things. Not "i got beat up so i will change". It results after an amount of process that occurs in lifetime, and that process is effected by many factors and tendencies.
There was a chapter for how everyone believed in Naruto and want to be at his side while praising him to no end.
And new generation is suppose to surpass older one...
They are, but for different reasons. Reasons that been through over time with a process and knowledge, if people are believeing it for the sake of believing then that's hardly a belief, just a mere case of words that had been seen through. That's why NV can not be compared to ours.
Because Kishi ain't gonna publish another 600+ issues regarding to this universe.
Deal will be sealed.
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this chapter showed sasuke's stupidity not naruto's stupidity
infact , this time any fodder can kill obito even iruka can stabb obito now So whats the difference B/W a fodder and sasuke?!? simply no diff
instead of killing him naruto forgave him which is even above the kage level U_U
BTW naruto damaged jubito with SM rasengan ......naruto figured out jubito's weakness ......naruto defeated 5 bijuus which obito was using ..........naruto broke obito's mask .........naruto was the one who extracted bijuus out from jubito (NOT naruto alone but 90 % work was done by naruto ) ...........AND thats why its on naruto to forgive or kill him because naruto was the one who actually defeated obito's every technique and everyplan U_U
infact , this time any fodder can kill obito even iruka can stabb obito now So whats the difference B/W a fodder and sasuke?!? simply no diff
instead of killing him naruto forgave him which is even above the kage level U_U
BTW naruto damaged jubito with SM rasengan ......naruto figured out jubito's weakness ......naruto defeated 5 bijuus which obito was using ..........naruto broke obito's mask .........naruto was the one who extracted bijuus out from jubito (NOT naruto alone but 90 % work was done by naruto ) ...........AND thats why its on naruto to forgive or kill him because naruto was the one who actually defeated obito's every technique and everyplan U_U
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did we read the same manga chapter ??
minato said that '' naruto gave him a good lecture but kakashi you should had to do this instead of naruto because he was your friend not naruto's friend ''
dont show your own arguments as a manga fact U_U
i dont know why there are too many 13-15 years kid here ......no maturity exists on NB
Good is the people who will ensure the maximum happiness along with the survival of the most .... bad is people who oppose the good people out of stupid or selfish reasons.
Its all about building a future and making it a happy one?
What they believed in was wrong as it wasnt guided by compassion and will to provide happiness to people when ever possible.
A pile of crap does not need to say "I am a pile of crap" to be recognized.
But was it good for whom ... only a selected people? Was there no course alternative course of action? .... Most people dont understand that while believes need conviction but it also needs fluidity to accommodate the changes in the world.
Well Hashirama, Tobirama, Danzo all represents sides the Will of Fire .... why not use all the sides as necessary? When words dont work swords must come to play ....
Yes .... but people change too ...
Well "i got beat up so i better shut up" works fine too .... Those who cant be changed to follow a kinder path (Obito's path would have brought extinction) they must be subjugated or eliminated.
Then you gonna say that certain things are not events in life times that changes ideals and thought processes of a man?
That is what a leader is all about .... giving people hope when there may be precious little and reaching for hights never scaled .... none achieved anything by not hoping or not trying.
So that means Naruto's descendants will be more sucessful than him .... just like Naruto is more successful than Hashirama .... but without Hashirama Naruto has no base ..... that why one generation has to give its all to build foundation for others to continue building and as each generation keeps on building it becomes more complete .... but if one gives up the process has to start a new ... thats why 'never give up' and 'protect the king' ....
But if it brings maximum survivility and maximum happiness will you wish otherwise? .... the wiser one's will eventually realise the true meaning ... and the essence of ideals will live on ....
In some cases it can ..... Its a message to have faith in good to teenage children who are growing up .... no matter how stupid hope is never bad .....
Deal can be sealed with a scene where Naruto entrusting the 'Will of Fire' to someone else ..... its not a uncommon ending.
STFU man , you're doing the same thing .did we read the same manga chapter ??
minato said that '' naruto gave him a good lecture but kakashi you should had to do this instead of naruto because he was your friend not naruto's friend ''
dont show your own arguments as a manga fact U_U
i dont know why there are too many 13-15 years kid here ......no maturity exists on NB
And that's a mere case of perception.
Then what are all these things for?
They believed in compassion, and rights in their own senses. They did not think it was wrong, no one does. That's why even if we think we are righteus, compassionate or civil we have possibilites of being wrong. This can't be determined by anyone.
Piles of craps have reigns over the world for years and get believed by some no matter how they can be viewed as right or wrong.
"Good majorty" can be viewed as selected people.
Well one way will come on top, and story suggests Naruto's will be the white truth.
...Built on certain things.
Is this for good majority?
They are, but not all and every thing.
I am not saying that's not what he is about. I was saying there is literally no one left who does not side with Naruto in the same way.
This is Naruto's story. It is mere case of his success and making up for what older generation have not done.
A wishful thinking for something that is not understood? Something can't live on without a solid base.
And that is the right way for others; for some it isn't.
That means Naruto succeeing.
Anyway my op was this:
It was mere case of suggesting Naruto can't be viewed as an idiot in that universe's standarts because he is inclined to come on top, he is right and that will be it. I am not saying i am disagreeing with him or not.
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Ya I also think Naruto is stupid. Obito is like a wounded cobra. No body can predict its action hence its better off killing Obito rather than regretting 1000 of people's death. Oh wait a minute I almost forgot nobody cares about 1000 innocent fodders killed while they weep when a good mass murderer is dead. Naruto fan are messed up from inside
I agree, Naruto forgiving his parent's and friend's murderer is rather retarded. Besides, Obito is gonna be executed anyway. Cause there's no ****ing way you're living when you directly started a ****ing WORLD WAR which was responsible for the death of over 40,000 people.
If this perception or any perception brings about maximum happiness and survivability **** everything else .... just because there are views doesnt mean they are meant to be entertained if they are found to be inefficient.
Thats is the basic and most important need of a species to flourish sustainably ....... if you think your life is not about living and being happy and bringing happiness to others feel free to disagree ....
Everyone's personal sense or specific group's sense doesnt matter cause they will have their inclinations ..... every angle has to explored to find the near truth and the best possible path which CAN be determined by netrual person or group, just like a quarreling siblings can be monitored by their parents who knows better.
Piles of Gold also have reign over the world and they get believed in no matter what ..... while evil itself can not be eradicated it CAN be minimized .... also I gave the scale by which to measure ideals ... if we can not decide on right and wrong we shall decide on effects of those ideals on the mental and physical health of the populace.
An elephant can be viewed as having no eyes and only a butt and a tail when viewed from behind but is it all? One view does determine the entirety of an idea, all must be considered .... Also let me ask you a question Al Quida has a view and UNO has a view which are you going to choose for the better of humanity? Its not that hard to decide and if there is enough people choosing the good side after analyzing the effects the evil side CAN be minimized.
Assuming again? OR are YOU telling the story or Kishi? ...... not to mention Naruto himself has growing up to do ....
To which certain other things can be added later on ..... ever heard of a paradigm shift?
Whatever ensures the maximum people survives and maximum among them lives happily is the *good* .... and whatever has to most support is the *Majority* .... I would rather see those two words together.
One little change can bring a revolution ....
So? ..... Also I think Orochimaru, Sasuke etc does not 'side with Naruto the same way' as they have their own agenda but does not have any choice but co operation .... and soon as the common enemy is defeated other may start their own agenda ...
Ever read about Start Wars? did you know the last event shown was? Even though it was Luke's story he was ultimately a ghost encouraging the future ....
Do you understand exactly how a car starts when you turn the engine on? Do you every stroke of engine and turn of gears? ..... Wiser people understand while less capable people know that turning the key would get the car running and they can drive then .... this has been the reality for the ages.
As I said .... **** everything that isnt the most efficient and most effective .....
Yeah ... refer to the Star Wars comment again please ...
Even in our world people tend to come out on top though not universally accepted (Also I think even NV has other factions than the 5 great nations ... namely Orochimaru) .... also you OP suggests that you made an assumption regarding the story and as you say it may be right for you but it might not be for others while what actually happens remains yet to be seen.