This chapter confirmed that Madara is the most lucky villain ever .

[Klad]

I can't help but laugh at those people who say "Madara is the Aizen of NV" . This guy hasn't even planned a decent strategy . Let's have a look at this .

• Obito slips in his hideout [lucky]
• Succeddeds brainwashing Obito and makes him belive that there's no need to be in this reality [lucky]
• After Obito joined , he commited suicide , without knowing that Obito would betray him .
• Both Obito and Nagato betrayed him , so Madara would remain dead .
• Then Kabuto comes , revives Madara and joins forces with Obito . [lucky as hell]
• After arriving in the battlefield , Obito was the one who was ordering him around . [
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• Then , as lucky as ever , Obito began to doubt his actions , and this is the reason why Naruto and Sasuke defeated him.
• Now , the guy who most of you call him "The Aizen of NV" , uses a power less guy [Obito] (He failed before) , gets revived , and smirks .

With all those , do you seriosly still call him a good planner ? No , there's no way he is . He is an amazing manipulator , yes , I give him that , but at planning ? Nope , he sucks at it .

My point is that without Obito , Madara would be a bitter old man .

 

[BlacLord™]

All I see is Obito, perhaps a little butthurt?

 

[Chīkara]

They can talk when Madara can do this.

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[xjimbox]

I can't help but laugh at those people who say "Madara is the Aizen of NV" . This guy hasn't even planned a decent strategy . Let's have a look at this .

• Obito slips in his hideout [lucky]
• Succeddeds brainwashing Obito and makes him belive that there's no need to be in this reality [lucky]
• After Obito joined , he commited suicide , without knowing that Obito would betray him .
• Both Obito and Nagato betrayed him , so Madara would remain dead .
• Then Kabuto comes , revives Madara and joins forces with Obito . [lucky as hell]
• After arriving in the battlefield , Obito was the one who was ordering him around . [
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• Then , as lucky as ever , Obito began to doubt his actions , and this is the reason why Naruto and Sasuke defeated him.
• Now , the guy who most of you call him "The Aizen of NV" , uses a power less guy [Obito] (He failed before) , gets revived , and smirks .

With all those , do you seriosly still call him a good planner ? No , there's no way he is . He is an amazing manipulator , yes , I give him that , but at planning ? Nope , he sucks at it .

My point is that without Obito , Madara would be a bitter old man .

He just had bad luck lol he had plans but they just never worked out lol... Haha but in the end he still became mortal again. Lol so it still happened but I agree with you on this.

 

[ekichi onizuka]

nah madara has alot of will power you know...

 

[-immortal-]

madara and me don't give a actuall fck. :| not to bash you at all but. aren't you a little butthurt that your favo is about to die?

i mean. even if madara plan isn't going as planned.
he will simple reach it an otherway around

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GG

 

[ITACHItheINVINCIBLE7]

nice way to try to console yourself.
truth is madara is going to complete his plan one or other way around

 

[Meee]

Yep, Terrible planner, Aizen wasn't surpassed and outsmarted by his own pawns either XD

 

[odara rasengan]

You might be right that without obito madara's plans will get ruined but madara is not a goof.

 

[BlacLord™]

The thing is, Madara is a good planner but nobody can control extraneous variables. At the end of the day, no matter how many walls he has run into, he always manages to forge a new route and carry on moving towards his goal.

Obito was merely convenient, he still had his Zetsus to do his bidding.

 

[Klad]

All I see is Obito, perhaps a little butthurt?

Why should I be butthurt ? I'm glad that Kishi made Obito the greatest villain.

They can talk when Madara can do this.

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Yeah .

He just had bad luck lol he had plans but they just never worked out lol... Haha but in the end he still became mortal again. Lol so it still happened but I agree with you on this.

Thanks .

nah madara has alot of will power you know...

This isn't about power ...

madara and me don't give a actuall fck. :| not to bash you at all but. aren't you a little butthurt that your favo is about to die?

i mean. even if madara plan isn't going as planned.
he will simple reach it an otherway around

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GG

Dude , I'm not taLKing about power , but how good he is in planning.... :|

If I was butthurt , I would rage and bash everywhere , but I'm not .

 

[Whiteknight]

I can't help but laugh at those people who say "Madara is the Aizen of NV" . This guy hasn't even planned a decent strategy . Let's have a look at this .

• Obito slips in his hideout [lucky]
• Succeddeds brainwashing Obito and makes him belive that there's no need to be in this reality [lucky]
• After Obito joined , he commited suicide , without knowing that Obito would betray him .
• Both Obito and Nagato betrayed him , so Madara would remain dead .
• Then Kabuto comes , revives Madara and joins forces with Obito . [lucky as hell]
• After arriving in the battlefield , Obito was the one who was ordering him around . [
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• Then , as lucky as ever , Obito began to doubt his actions , and this is the reason why Naruto and Sasuke defeated him.
• Now , the guy who most of you call him "The Aizen of NV" , uses a power less guy [Obito] (He failed before) , gets revived , and smirks .

With all those , do you seriosly still call him a good planner ? No , there's no way he is . He is an amazing manipulator , yes , I give him that , but at planning ? Nope , he sucks at it .

My point is that without Obito , Madara would be a bitter old man .

1) Did Obito really just "slip" into the hideout on accident? Madara seems to know plenty about the different types of sharingans and what their powers are. We should assume that Obito was targetted by Madara, and brought there on purpose.

2) Obito was brainwashed by watching Rin die, which we should also assume was scripted by Madara.

3) Madara set up several allies: several Zetsu clones (including Black Zetsu, who is his strongest ally among them), Obito and Nagato. If Obito hadn't been there, Black Zetsu would have contacted Nagato and controlled him from there.

4) Even after Obito and Nagato betrayed him, there was still Zetsu and Zetsu is enough.

5) Madara didn't need or want to be revived by Kabuto. That was a fluke. The plan was always for Black Zetsu to force Obito/Nagato to use the Rinnegan to revive Madara properly

6) Obito was a jerk, yes. But Madara was playing. Madara had obvious ways to control Obito, including Black Zetsu and the control rods.

7) Madara was an immortal zombie with wood release, rinnegan and infinite chakra reserves. Madara (and black zetsu) would have been able to weaken and eventually control Obito. It was part of the plan.

8) It wasn't until very late that Obito changed his mind and betrayed Madara. Up until the point that he fought Kakashi, Obito was still planning to revive Madara. If Kabuto hadn't resurrected him first, Obito may have done it much earlier and avoided the Plot-No-Jutsu that happened later in the fight. Obito knew Kabuto had Madara's body before the war even started, so Obito's plan needed to change. Without that, he may have used a different strategy (embed the rinnegan into Sasuke, and force Sasuke to revive him, etc).

Madara's plan was pretty good, and because of Zetsu (especially black zetsu) his plan was assured. There was no luck involved. the fact that he had so many backup plans is proof that his plans were great.

 

[Shinato]

• Obito slips in his hideout [lucky]
• Succeddeds brainwashing Obito and makes him belive that there's no need to be in this reality [lucky]
• After Obito joined , he commited suicide , without knowing that Obito would betray him .
• Both Obito and Nagato betrayed him , so Madara would remain dead .
• Then Kabuto comes , revives Madara and joins forces with Obito . [lucky as hell]
• After arriving in the battlefield , Obito was the one who was ordering him around . [
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• Then , as lucky as ever , Obito began to doubt his actions , and this is the reason why Naruto and Sasuke defeated him.
• Now , the guy who most of you call him "The Aizen of NV" , uses a power less guy [Obito] (He failed before) , gets revived , and smirks .

• Then again, did Madara ever need Obito? He already had Zetsu to do the work for him, and its show in Obito's eariler days as Madara that Zetsu guided him.
  
• This mostly falls under the same category as the first one. Madar also knew Obito would return, one way or another.
  
• Madara clearly planned that Obito would have at least a chance of betraying him. Which is why he made Black Zetsu.
  
• Nagato never knew about Madara, he betrayed Obito. Still not going according to the plans, though Zetsu could have obtained the Rinnegans again and given them to someone else.
  
• Madara never planned or wanted to be revived by the Edo Tensei, he even seemed annoyed about it.
  
• Just because you scream out orders, doesn't mean anyone would follow them. Madara didn't follow Obito's orders.
  
• The fact that Obito started to doubt himself didn't even remotely affect Madara, his plan went as he wanted it either way.
  
• Madara planned to attack Obito head on when Obito was the Juubi's Jin. He would have succeed as well. ( Most likely )

 

[Frikid]

WRONG.

black zetsu was his "plan" and it worked well for him.

 

[SixPathsOfTobi]

I can't help but laugh at those people who say "Madara is the Aizen of NV" . This guy hasn't even planned a decent strategy . Let's have a look at this .

• Obito slips in his hideout [lucky]
• Succeddeds brainwashing Obito and makes him belive that there's no need to be in this reality [lucky]
• After Obito joined , he commited suicide , without knowing that Obito would betray him .
• Both Obito and Nagato betrayed him , so Madara would remain dead .
• Then Kabuto comes , revives Madara and joins forces with Obito . [lucky as hell]
• After arriving in the battlefield , Obito was the one who was ordering him around . [
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• Then , as lucky as ever , Obito began to doubt his actions , and this is the reason why Naruto and Sasuke defeated him.
• Now , the guy who most of you call him "The Aizen of NV" , uses a power less guy [Obito] (He failed before) , gets revived , and smirks .

With all those , do you seriosly still call him a good planner ? No , there's no way he is . He is an amazing manipulator , yes , I give him that , but at planning ? Nope , he sucks at it .

My point is that without Obito , Madara would be a bitter old man .

1. who says it was lucky or a coincidence.. that's what he told obito.
2. that wasn't lucky that was probably completely orchestrated by madara. the way madara said to obito you WILL come back really gave me that satanist feeling, i've heard people that were satanists saying that when they left they told them that with a intense voice and then their family member dies in an 'accident', and because of that loss (and hearing family members say things like, at least he's with god now) they ended up going back, not that that has to do much with this.
3. he left his will behind with black zetsu, he probably counted on his betrayal.
4. see point 3.
5. this wasn't necessary for anything.
6. bullshit see point 3 again.
7 Obito became the juubi jinchuuriki because minato stopped rinne tensei.
8 **** aizen.

 

[HNIC]

People confuse power and being a villain.

Madara's role as a villain isnt all impressive, I'd still put Orochumari over him.

His power exceeds all though

 

[Retsu]

I agree 1000%

 

[Byron123]

I can't help but laugh at those people who say "Madara is the Aizen of NV" . This guy hasn't even planned a decent strategy . Let's have a look at this .

• Obito slips in his hideout [lucky]
• Succeddeds brainwashing Obito and makes him belive that there's no need to be in this reality [lucky]
• After Obito joined , he commited suicide , without knowing that Obito would betray him .
• Both Obito and Nagato betrayed him , so Madara would remain dead .
• Then Kabuto comes , revives Madara and joins forces with Obito . [lucky as hell]
• After arriving in the battlefield , Obito was the one who was ordering him around . [
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  ]
• Then , as lucky as ever , Obito began to doubt his actions , and this is the reason why Naruto and Sasuke defeated him.
• Now , the guy who most of you call him "The Aizen of NV" , uses a power less guy [Obito] (He failed before) , gets revived , and smirks .

With all those , do you seriosly still call him a good planner ? No , there's no way he is . He is an amazing manipulator , yes , I give him that , but at planning ? Nope , he sucks at it .

My point is that without Obito , Madara would be a bitter old man .

Well to be fair Madara wasn't as unorganised as you made him sound. Let me remind you that Black Zetsu is capable of controlling Obito and so he could force him revive Madara whenever he wanted. Plus informing Nagato of his true powers was also a risk as it could turn against him and so goes for Sasuke's case and Danzo's case.

 

[Djokovic]

All I see is a bitter fanboy crying because his favo character is being used as a puppet.

 

[jorgelius]

whats so good about obito? guy is a clown and mistake any of his plans never succeeded
hard to believe both itachi and obito are created by same author but anyway obito liked to believe he is smart (yes i planned this naruto is able to sense hatred and evil like mito just as i planned bunch of zetsus die) (even tough nagato did betray me this isnt something like my plan a more like plan F but sure i planned for this) even zetsu laugh at him

your great obito vs naruto arc been such a waste of YEARS naruto almost got cancelled, kamui boys are most annoyin group of humans there are..
i hope kishi dorment obito before sent him to hell like now he is good, let black zetsu do lots of nasty things with his body while obito regret he was ever born. too cruel? apophis host can tell you what cruel is..