Thinking Kakashi can take itachi or sasuke (with logic, reason and evidence)

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Im just goin to post this again because it was obviously disregarded even though you ask for us to provide proof to back up out positions.
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In Sasuke's case it was shown that Kakashi do not possess the speed feats to avoid the Susanoo Arrow. His "only option was to warp it with the Mangekyou." Sasuke could potentially use a consistent amount of Susanoo Arrows and in this case Kakashi being a Non-Uchiha has the disadvantage using Mangekyou attacks. While Sasuke using the EMS can use Mangekyou techs with less of a tole than a regular Uchiha with Mangekyou who would still have less of a tole on themselves performing such techs. Kakashi in this situation is locked in a Mangekyou battle until he dies.
I see that their are people with the notion that Kakashi could cause a diversion using his clones. The Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan gives the user the ability to see through clones. This conclusion can be made clearly based off Madara, a full developed Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan user's words here:
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He states that with his eye techniques he could see through Hashirama's Wood clones which are derived from shadow clones but are twice as complex requiring 2 Nature Transformations. It is a known fact that Madara obtained the Rinnegan after his battle with Hashirama and only possessed Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan.
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Sasuke puts up a better battle for Kakashi than Itachi. I have no clue why people are claiming Kakashi can beat Sasuke but "Might" beat Itachi. In my opinion he can not beat either yet.
While it is capable to Kamui the flames of Amaterasu I do not see it happening.
The flames of Amaterasu ignite on where the User is focusing his eyes.
Therefore I do not see Kakashi having the speed to catch the Flames as soon as they Ignite. If the flames are already on Kakashi I see no way for him to Kamui the flames without causing enormous self injury since his Kamui is different than Obito in terms of use.
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1. Like I said 100% kakashi could probably use kamui 8 times considering he fought for 2 days non stop,and used rakiri chain lightning during his fight with the jinchurikii.

2.Really? Your comparing itachis sickly eyes to the greatest Uchiha ever and he had EMS? I can't even take you serious anymore.

3. I agree with that last statement but sasuke rarely thinks before he acts. Example....he got mad unleashed susanoo and an arrow, then ruined his eyes and his chakra. Lucky for him kakashi cares for him and isn't cold hearted or else he could have raped the weakened sasuke. He got mad and didn't think about his eyes or his chakra reserves. Against someone as smart as kakashi, acting like that could prove fatal.
 

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First of all, don't come in here spewing nonsense like one word answers. Please have logic/reason of proof to counter my points. On to the thread.

Vs Itachi

Im going to break these 2 down in 2 catagories: first being strengths, second being why I think kakashi can pretty much counter itachi.

1.Ninjutsu- Tie- Aside from the obvious Uchiha moves like susanoo and amateratsu and kakashis kamui, I think these 2 are even here. While itachi may possess superior hand seal speed, kakashi has a much wider range of jutsu at his disposal.

2.Genjutsu- Itachi-obviously. However, if they had fought again, there is a reason why I think kakashi can nullify tsyukuomi. I'll explain it in part 2.

3.Taijutsu- Tie- While itachi has proven that his Taijutsu is a force to be reckoned with, I feel kakashis Taijutsu is severely underrated. I mean seriously...he fought Hidan with a kunai WHILE avoiding kakuzus masks.

4. Intellect-Tie- Both have proved to be the 2 most intellectual ninjas we have seen. I don't think either is smarter than the other. The winner of this fight needs something more. (Data book 3 backs up my first 4 points, so no arguing those.)

Here's why I think kakashi could win

When fighting most opponents, itachi likes to use first what he does best.....Genjutsu. While he incapacitated kakashi the first time with it, I don't think it would work on him again. The reason being: the same jutsu doesn't work twice on kakashi....he's too smart for that. He even told zabuza that and proved it to him. When kakashi fought the itachi clone in the anime, he distracted him and sent out a clone in his place which got caught in Genjutsu to no avail. I think this would work in a battle against the real itachi for 2 reasons: itachis fading eyesight and kakashis skill at making clones in combat. He even made a clone right in front of 2 paths of pain, a rinnegan user, and went completely undetected. Another notable comment to back my claim, chojis father even said kakashi always makes a clone toto test his opponents abilities first.

Kamui vs amateratsu/susanoo

I think kamui is an effective against both of these but I'll start with amateratsu. While the flames are deadly to anyone who comes in contact with it, I can gather one thing from this jutsus usage: it burns slowly. We've even seen 2 people use substitutions and one get his hand surgically removed before it caused any damage. Im pretty sure kakashi can kamui any fire that gets on him. We've seen his precise control over kamui in his fight against Tobi. The question is can he kamui amateratsu? If can kamui rasengans, lightning infused kunai and susanoos arrow , im sure he can kamui amateratsu.

We know that itachis susanoo boasts to weapons of legend: the yata mirror and the blade of totsuka. Since itachi incorporated them into his susanoo, I think it's safe to say they are the same composition...and you know what that means. If he kamui susanoo arrow, I sure he can use it on the objects or susanoo itself leaving itachi wide open for rakiri. Yata mirror isn't deflecting a t/s attack.

Final blow: kakashis rakiri. Itachi won't be able to dodge because of exhaustion and deteriorating eyesight. He can't counter this stronger faster version like he did sasukes. Not to mention kakashis has a good sharingan eye.

Thoughts?

Considering sasuke needs to surpass madara in order to make the last fight with Naruto more epic, I dont see kakashi beating sasuke. Itachi maybe but only because itachi is sick and dead so he cant train anymore
 

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Im just goin to post this again because it was obviously disregarded even though you ask for us to provide proof to back up out positions.
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In Sasuke's case it was shown that Kakashi do not possess the speed feats to avoid the Susanoo Arrow. His "only option was to warp it with the Mangekyou." Sasuke could potentially use a consistent amount of Susanoo Arrows and in this case Kakashi being a Non-Uchiha has the disadvantage using Mangekyou attacks. While Sasuke using the EMS can use Mangekyou techs with less of a tole than a regular Uchiha with Mangekyou who would still have less of a tole on themselves performing such techs. Kakashi in this situation is locked in a Mangekyou battle until he dies.
I see that their are people with the notion that Kakashi could cause a diversion using his clones. The Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan gives the user the ability to see through clones. This conclusion can be made clearly based off Madara, a full developed Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan user's words here:
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He states that with his eye techniques he could see through Hashirama's Wood clones which are derived from shadow clones but are twice as complex requiring 2 Nature Transformations. It is a known fact that Madara obtained the Rinnegan after his battle with Hashirama and only possessed Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan.
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Sasuke puts up a better battle for Kakashi than Itachi. I have no clue why people are claiming Kakashi can beat Sasuke but "Might" beat Itachi. In my opinion he can not beat either yet.
While it is capable to Kamui the flames of Amaterasu I do not see it happening.
The flames of Amaterasu ignite on where the User is focusing his eyes.
Therefore I do not see Kakashi having the speed to catch the Flames as soon as they Ignite. If the flames are already on Kakashi I see no way for him to Kamui the flames without causing enormous self injury since his Kamui is different than Obito in terms of use.
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Good points
 

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It wasn't a question, but a whole post to counter your arguments.

While you bring compelling points, I can't Kakashi winning against either one of them. kakashi has three major disadvantages:

- Low Stamina.
- Low Chakra reserves, and
- He will never be able to fully harness the power of Sharingen. It's beyond his ability by default.

Kamui is not the answer to everything.

1: During his encounter with Sasuke, he was barely able to avoid the arrow with Kamui:




And the over-usage kills him. It also doesn't help his case that Sasuke can spam arrows even more so than Iatchi given that EMS poses no stress on the body for creating sussano and using amatersu:

- Painful erection of sussano. Sasuke mentions that his whole being was in pain. In EMS form, he erects a level four Sussano without any pain at all: and uses Amatersu with ease.

It means that he can utilize all abilities of MS without any stress factor and much less chakra consumption. Kakashi on the other hand would be able to use Kamiu 3, maybe four times tops as during pein fight the second time killed him. While he has improved since then, I can't see him over-using this ability as he will still end up using more Chakra as he's not an Uchiha.

2: While Itachi has lower stamina than kakashi, his Chakra reserves are obviously higher, as it is a know fact that the uchiha clan have a very high Chakra reserve:

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Which means both Itachi and Sasuke can over-use their blood-line abilities with ease and with better chara consumption due to the DNA factor and having natural, higher chakra reserves. Sasuke also has a much much better stamina than Kakashi and he seems more resilient as well.

3: He cannot Kamui a level four sussano with Sasuke or even the one Itachi uses because it is too big. Gazo head by comparison is much much smaller, and not to mention he wanted to take out its neck first.

4: Then we have amatersu. It's instant and goes where ever the eye goes. It burns through Chakra as well. I can't see how Kakashi will dodge this when Raikage had to resort to body flicker rather than raw speed to dodge and barely managed by only a few centimeter.

Naruto 463 - Read Naruto 463 Online - Page 12
Naruto 463 - Read Naruto 463 Online - Page 13

Kakashi is just not fast enough to dodge this.

Then comes the intelligence factor as well. All three people are extremely intelligent. So there is no edge to anyone's analytical abilities here. It all boils down to how they use their stamina, chakra, abilities etc. I am sorry, but EMS Sasuke just...destroys Kakashi, and Itachi does it with ease as well.

You posted this garbage before. Kamui isn't the answer to everything...just the answer to most of the Uchiha jutsu.
 

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You posted this garbage before. Kamui isn't the answer to everything...just the answer to most of the Uchiha jutsu.

Is my question gonna get answered? What does Kakashi have for Amateratsu?
 

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Itachi has lower stamina than Kakashi, so it's funny that some people actually believe that Itachi could last in a long fight
 

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so kakashi can launch 8 kamui which is not instant while sasuke fire's 8 arrows ? that would kill him or blow his eye up low stamina doesnt mean anything chiyo manged to last against sasori for a while despite her age and back issues.
 

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You posted this garbage before. Kamui isn't the answer to everything...just the answer to most of the Uchiha jutsu.

So manga facts are garbage, but your theoretical, mostly tripe opinions are factual data? LOL
 

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So manga facts are garbage, but your theoretical, mostly tripe opinions are factual data? LOL

Ok try this : databook 3 has all of itachi and kakashi stats even except Genjutsu which itachi has by half a point. I guess it's a tie then.

Now is that my theoretical, mostly tripe opinion?
 

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1. Like I said 100% kakashi could probably use kamui 8 times considering he fought for 2 days non stop,and used rakiri chain lightning during his fight with the jinchurikii.

2.Really? Your comparing itachis sickly eyes to the greatest Uchiha ever and he had EMS? I can't even take you serious anymore.

3. I agree with that last statement but sasuke rarely thinks before he acts. Example....he got mad unleashed susanoo and an arrow, then ruined his eyes and his chakra. Lucky for him kakashi cares for him and isn't cold hearted or else he could have raped the weakened sasuke. He got mad and didn't think about his eyes or his chakra reserves. Against someone as smart as kakashi, acting like that could prove fatal.
Eariler you stated that maybe 6-7 and even with 8 no matter what amount of Kamui your placing on Kakashi it basicly by rule of Manga that his stamina reguarding Mangekyou Sharingan techs only could not be higher than Sasukes. I don't understand where you got a comparison between Itachi and Madara from out of my post i am only in defense of Sasuke as of now. Even with Sasuke I never compared him to Madara I only said Madara has strongly implied if not validated that Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan allows you to see through clones. Now on account on "Sasuke rarely thinks before he acts" is false. I find it unfair for you to base Sasuke knowledge on his emotions. Sasuke has shown more times that he thinks before he acts than him not. For example the battle literally right before he used fire style to kill the Baku summoning who was based on wind and pulling things towards his mouth and he outsmarted Danzo with his "weak", as titled by Obito, genjutsu. That shows extreme intelligence, he even figured out the Izangi technique before Karin, a Sensor who can also view the chakra people. Have you never been so enraged in your life where you simple feel like killing or hurting whoever or whatever is causing your pain and anger? Would you lower your self-intelligence based off that one experience? No because that does not determine your overall mental abilities.
 
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Saying Kakashi will lose against Itachi or Sasuke is alright.
Saying Kakashi will be destroyed by them is being biased.

I will focus on vs Itachi fight, because I personally think he is now less powerful than Sasuke.

In ninjutsu, Kakashi obviously has the edge. Saying otherwise is out of place, really.

In genjutsu, Itachi of course.

Their taijutsu is about equal, as seen in their fight in Gaara rescue arc when their short taijutsu spar ended in a deadlock.
Their intelligence is at the very least equal. However, considering the fact Kakashi was said to be the most analytical ninja in the manga and the fact that he already outsmarted Itachi, I'd give him the edge. Just for the sake of this argument though, let it be that they are equal.

When it comes to stamina, current Kakashi has the edge. He has been fighting for two days straight now, used several Kamuis and said he still has chakra for a few more. I deduced that at full chakra Kakashi could use Kamui at least 12 times a day and still have chakra for several raikiris. Whether you believe such deduction is up to you, you probably won't because it's inconvenient, but I can't really prove my point once and for all, so let's stay at this. But if you want, I can give you the link to the thread about it.

Their speed is about equal. Itachi is superior in hand seals speed, that's true, but his movement speed isn't blitzing. He's very fast, true, but so is Kakashi, who was praised by Obito and was able to keep up with 6th gated Guy.


Now for their fight - Itachi already had to resort to MS to defeat Kakashi pre-Shippuuden, that's why there is no way this fight can be determined without the use of MS.
And although Itachi has more MS techniques, it doesn't mean his MS is better.

Kakashi is not stupid to fall for Tsukyomi once again. It will be problematic for him not to look into Itachi's eyes, but keeping longer distance will do well. Kakashi is also renowned for his Kage bunshin feints, with which he already tricked Nagato and outsmarted Itachi. However, just like in case of Kakashi being aware of Tsukyomi now, so is Itachi now aware of Kakashi's bunshins. Still, Itachi cannot recognize the bunshin from the original, so unless he can outrightly see Kakashi creating a bunshin (and Kakashi creates kage bunshins only when the opponent can't see it) he won't spam Tsukyomi at the very moment he can.

Susanoo is not a good option here, either, since Kakashi has knowledge about it. Susanoo is a last resort technique for Itachi, because of the fact it drains his chakra continuously. Kakashi, knowing this, will stay on the defensive and just wait for Itachi to be drained.

The most dangerous Itachi's MS technique in this scenario is Amaterasu - however, the big weakness of Amaterasu is that it is NOT instant, as opposed to what people might say. It needs time, not much, but some, to reach the opponent. In other words, Kakashi can counter Amaterasu with Kamui. We know his Kamui is fast enough to do it, because he could easily kamui two Susanoo arrows or a flying kunai. Additionally, Itachi will want to make sure he's targeting real Kakashi before performing Amaterasu, just like in case of Tsukyomi.

Kamui, on the other hand, has close to no weakness. His only weakness is the jutsu itself, or to be more precise, the only other known wielder of Kamui - Obito. Kakashi himself stated no one other than Obito could stop it, and he's right. Let's look...
-Kamui is instant like Tsukyomi (it was used on Naruto's clone in front of Obito's eyes and he didn't even notice it)
-Kamui doesn't require eye contact, unlike Tsukyomi
-Kamui can be used both offensively and defensively if utilized properly

The most OP part of it is that it's instant. Kakashi can Kamui Itachi whole and Itachi will only realize it in the other dimension. Of course, kage bunshin feints also work as a counter against Kamui. That's why this fight will probably be determined by "who can outsmart his opponent first?".

Unless they both use MS as soon as they see each other. But the results of such a situation are unpredictable.
 

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Ok try this : databook 3 has all of itachi and kakashi stats even except Genjutsu which itachi has by half a point. I guess it's a tie then.

Now is that my theoretical, mostly tripe opinion?

Αgain theoritical. Kakashi has 5/5 in ninjutsu but doesnt mean anything. This derives from the amount of jutsus Kakashi has copied. Yata miror will reflect them all. Which are his s-rank jutsus? Have you seen them? Will I get answered? Kamui cant counter Amaterasu. Kamui cant counter Sussano. Shelke used manga facts and you reject them. Are you a Kakashi fan boy? Stop avoiding my questions.
 

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Saying Kakashi will lose against Itachi or Sasuke is alright.
Saying Kakashi will be destroyed by them is being biased.

I will focus on vs Itachi fight, because I personally think he is now less powerful than Sasuke.

In ninjutsu, Kakashi obviously has the edge. Saying otherwise is out of place, really.

In genjutsu, Itachi of course.

Their taijutsu is about equal, as seen in their fight in Gaara rescue arc when their short taijutsu spar ended in a deadlock.
Their intelligence is at the very least equal. However, considering the fact Kakashi was said to be the most analytical ninja in the manga and the fact that he already outsmarted Itachi, I'd give him the edge. Just for the sake of this argument though, let it be that they are equal.

When it comes to stamina, current Kakashi has the edge. He has been fighting for two days straight now, used several Kamuis and said he still has chakra for a few more. I deduced that at full chakra Kakashi could use Kamui at least 12 times a day and still have chakra for several raikiris. Whether you believe such deduction is up to you, you probably won't because it's inconvenient, but I can't really prove my point once and for all, so let's stay at this. But if you want, I can give you the link to the thread about it.

Their speed is about equal. Itachi is superior in hand seals speed, that's true, but his movement speed isn't blitzing. He's very fast, true, but so is Kakashi, who was praised by Obito and was able to keep up with 6th gated Guy.


Now for their fight - Itachi already had to resort to MS to defeat Kakashi pre-Shippuuden, that's why there is no way this fight can be determined without the use of MS.
And although Itachi has more MS techniques, it doesn't mean his MS is better.

Kakashi is not stupid to fall for Tsukyomi once again. It will be problematic for him not to look into Itachi's eyes, but keeping longer distance will do well. Kakashi is also renowned for his Kage bunshin feints, with which he already tricked Nagato and outsmarted Itachi. However, just like in case of Kakashi being aware of Tsukyomi now, so is Itachi now aware of Kakashi's bunshins. Still, Itachi cannot recognize the bunshin from the original, so unless he can outrightly see Kakashi creating a bunshin (and Kakashi creates kage bunshins only when the opponent can't see it) he won't spam Tsukyomi at the very moment he can.

Susanoo is not a good option here, either, since Kakashi has knowledge about it. Susanoo is a last resort technique for Itachi, because of the fact it drains his chakra continuously. Kakashi, knowing this, will stay on the defensive and just wait for Itachi to be drained.

The most dangerous Itachi's MS technique in this scenario is Amaterasu - however, the big weakness of Amaterasu is that it is NOT instant, as opposed to what people might say. It needs time, not much, but some, to reach the opponent. In other words, Kakashi can counter Amaterasu with Kamui. We know his Kamui is fast enough to do it, because he could easily kamui two Susanoo arrows or a flying kunai. Additionally, Itachi will want to make sure he's targeting real Kakashi before performing Amaterasu, just like in case of Tsukyomi.

Kamui, on the other hand, has close to no weakness. His only weakness is the jutsu itself, or to be more precise, the only other known wielder of Kamui - Obito. Kakashi himself stated no one other than Obito could stop it, and he's right. Let's look...
-Kamui is instant like Tsukyomi (it was used on Naruto's clone in front of Obito's eyes and he didn't even notice it)
-Kamui doesn't require eye contact, unlike Tsukyomi
-Kamui can be used both offensively and defensively if utilized properly

The most OP part of it is that it's instant. Kakashi can Kamui Itachi whole and Itachi will only realize it in the other dimension. Of course, kage bunshin feints also work as a counter against Kamui. That's why this fight will probably be determined by "who can outsmart his opponent first?".

Unless they both use MS as soon as they see each other. But the results of such a situation are unpredictable.

Thanks...+ rep ...all im saying. But I guess it's too many people who don't actually read the manga or fanboys who think kakashi outright can't win.
 

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In Sasuke's case it was shown that Kakashi do not possess the speed feats to avoid the Susanoo Arrow. His "only option was to warp it with the Mangekyou." Sasuke could potentially use a consistent amount of Susanoo Arrows and in this case Kakashi being a Non-Uchiha has the disadvantage using Mangekyou attacks.
I think you must pay attention to the context again. Kakashi actually never knew how fast the arrows were, it was his first time to even meet Susanoo, that's why he says later "so that's Susanoo, i take it". So it's not as if he was really prepared for it. But in the case you are already prepared, when you know something is coming, you can do something before it happens. Danzo for example when he stopped izanagi the first time was also surprised by the speed of arrows and was forced to release Mokuton that saved his life, but after that, already knowing the speed of arrows, knowing that Sasuke would have targeted him again, directly used handseals for Izanagi. It's during the time arrows are launched that they are difficult to dodge, not between the time 2 arrows are launched, because between that time, Sasuke most of time struggle, needs time to recover, etc and that are things people are always forgetting concerning Sasuke. They think Sasuke could just spamm arrows without taking a rest which is wrong, it also takes him chakra. That's why if you notice after the arrows, he most likely struggles and sometimes even cough up blood. Mangekyou Sharingan techniques are that risky
 
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Ok try this : databook 3 has all of itachi and kakashi stats even except Genjutsu which itachi has by half a point. I guess it's a tie then.

Now is that my theoretical, mostly tripe opinion?

That means nothing. Naruto's stats were lower than neji, he beat him. Kabuto' stats are lower than Tsunade's and he wiped the floor with her. So you are basically ignoring everything everyone here posted with proper manga scans and going by the stats? It is. because a lot of things come into actual battle scenario.


The most dangerous Itachi's MS technique in this scenario is Amaterasu - however, the big weakness of Amaterasu is that it is NOT instant, as opposed to what people might say. It needs time, not much, but some, to reach the opponent. In other words, Kakashi can counter Amaterasu with Kamui. We know his Kamui is fast enough to do it, because he could easily kamui two Susanoo arrows or a flying kunai. Additionally, Itachi will want to make sure he's targeting real Kakashi before performing Amaterasu, just like in case of Tsukyomi.

Amatersu is instant. There are several instances to prove this:

- Sasuke's fight against hachibi. As soon as he opened his eye, Hachibi was in flames.

- Raikage didn't dodge it with his raw speed, he used body flicker to aviod it, and barely managed it so with only a couple of centimeters.
 

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Αgain theoritical. Kakashi has 5/5 in ninjutsu but doesnt mean anything. This derives from the amount of jutsus Kakashi has copied. Yata miror will reflect them all. Which are his s-rank jutsus? Have you seen them? Will I get answered? Kamui cant counter Amaterasu. Kamui cant counter Sussano. Shelke used manga facts and you reject them. Are you a Kakashi fan boy? Stop avoiding my questions.

Lmao....so now the databook doesn't mean anything? LMAO....im done here.

And no im not an kakashi fanboy....check my avatar....he would annihilate itachi.
 

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Amatersu is instant. There are several instances to prove this:

- Sasuke's fight against hachibi. As soon as he opened his eye, Hachibi was in flames.

- Raikage didn't dodge it with his raw speed, he used body flicker to aviod it, and barely managed it so with only a couple of centimeters.

I'll be glad to prove you wrong.

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Just in case you'd want to argue further, you should notice "SFX: MOVEMENT" being written there.
 
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If we are talking about Kamui and Amaterasu, both techniques works in the same fashion - they appears on exact spot. One technique warps its target, second burns it and thats the difference.
 

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I think you must pay attention to the context again. Kakashi actually never knew how fast the arrows were, it was his first time to even meet Susanoo, that's why he says later "so that's Susanoo, i take it". So it's not as if he was really prepared for it. But in the case you are already prepared, when you know something is coming, you can do something before it happens. Danzo for example when he stopped izanagi the first time was also surprised by the speed of arrows and was forced to release Mokuton that saved his life, but after that, already knowing the speed of arrows, knowing that Sasuke would have targeted him again, directly used handseals for Izanagi. It's during the time arrows are launched that they are difficult to dodge, not between the time 2 arrows are launched for example, because between that time, Sasuke most of time struggle, needs time to recover, etc and that are things people are always forgetting concerning Sasuke. They think Sasuke could just spamm arrows without taking a rest which is wrong, it also takes him chakra. That's why if you notice after the arrows, he most likely struggles and sometimes even cough up blood. Mangekyou Sharingan techniques are that risky
What Preparations do you see Kakashi setting up to be ready for the speed of this attack? You also misunderstand the manga in one part of your post. Danzo blocked the Susanoo arrow his first time seeing it with the Mokuton:
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If you go backwards in that manga you see nothing but Sasuke in Danzo's seal and then the full Susanoo uproaring. Now after Danzo seen the Susanoo Arrow the first time saying a line very similar to what Kakashi said his first time if you look at the manga page again that I posted. "There is no time." Danzo had fully understood the speed of the Susanoo arrow and you see in the fight Danzo is hit with the Susanoo Arrow. Sasuke right after set up and landed the Susanoo Arrow interrupting Danzo's Handseals:
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Thats One time being hit with the Susanoo Arrow after knowing it's speed.
Here's a Second time:
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Your Truly undermining the speed of the Susanoo Arrow. What I posted stays valid. The Manga shows that even with Knowledge on the Technique the Speed of the Arrow is nearly barely possible to dodge. Kakashi does not have the speed feats to match up with Susanoo Arrow and this would cause his Downfall relying on Kamui.
 

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Susanoo is not a good option here, either, since Kakashi has knowledge about it. Susanoo is a last resort technique for Itachi, because of the fact it drains his chakra continuously. Kakashi, knowing this, will stay on the defensive and just wait for Itachi to be drained.

Not an option? Why? Itachi cant use his most powerful technique because that is convenient? Kakashi has knowledge of Sasuke's Sussano'o. What about Totsuka sword and Yata mirror? How can Kakashi counter this massive legendary sword? And why are you saying it continuously drains chakra when he only needs is a slash with this particular sword?

The most dangerous Itachi's MS technique in this scenario is Amaterasu - however, the big weakness of Amaterasu is that it is NOT instant, as opposed to what people might say. It needs time, not much, but some, to reach the opponent. In other words, Kakashi can counter Amaterasu with Kamui. We know his Kamui is fast enough to do it, because he could easily kamui two Susanoo arrows or a flying kunai. Additionally, Itachi will want to make sure he's targeting real Kakashi before performing Amaterasu, just like in case of Tsukyomi.

I disagree again. The most powerful technique is Sussano'o, along with these two magical items.
Amaterasu is instant. Kamui cant absorb it. Kamui cant absorb one item each time. Amaterasu ignites everything the user is seeing. If Itachi continues using it, Kakashi will be corpse. Kamui has not duration. It is instant.

Kamui, on the other hand, has close to no weakness. His only weakness is the jutsu itself, or to be more precise, the only other known wielder of Kamui - Obito. Kakashi himself stated no one other than Obito could stop it, and he's right. Let's look...
-Kamui is instant like Tsukyomi (it was used on Naruto's clone in front of Obito's eyes and he didn't even notice it)
-Kamui doesn't require eye contact, unlike Tsukyomi
-Kamui can be used both offensively and defensively if utilized properly

Already replied to these points. Kamui has risks. It has no duration. Cant be spammed cause it leaves Kakashi invulnerable. It absorb only items with (at most) moderate size. You describe Kamui. So what? You are speaking generally about it. I specifically claim that it cant absorb the whole Totsuka sword.
 
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