Thinking Kakashi can take itachi or sasuke (with logic, reason and evidence)

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First of all, don't come in here spewing nonsense like one word answers. Please have logic/reason of proof to counter my points. On to the thread.

Vs Itachi

Im going to break these 2 down in 2 catagories: first being strengths, second being why I think kakashi can pretty much counter itachi.

1.Ninjutsu- Tie- Aside from the obvious Uchiha moves like susanoo and amateratsu and kakashis kamui, I think these 2 are even here. While itachi may possess superior hand seal speed, kakashi has a much wider range of jutsu at his disposal.

2.Genjutsu- Itachi-obviously. However, if they had fought again, there is a reason why I think kakashi can nullify tsyukuomi. I'll explain it in part 2.

3.Taijutsu- Tie- While itachi has proven that his Taijutsu is a force to be reckoned with, I feel kakashis Taijutsu is severely underrated. I mean seriously...he fought Hidan with a kunai WHILE avoiding kakuzus masks.

4. Intellect-Tie- Both have proved to be the 2 most intellectual ninjas we have seen. I don't think either is smarter than the other. The winner of this fight needs something more. (Data book 3 backs up my first 4 points, so no arguing those.)

Here's why I think kakashi could win

When fighting most opponents, itachi likes to use first what he does best.....Genjutsu. While he incapacitated kakashi the first time with it, I don't think it would work on him again. The reason being: the same jutsu doesn't work twice on kakashi....he's too smart for that. He even told zabuza that and proved it to him. When kakashi fought the itachi clone in the anime, he distracted him and sent out a clone in his place which got caught in Genjutsu to no avail. I think this would work in a battle against the real itachi for 2 reasons: itachis fading eyesight and kakashis skill at making clones in combat. He even made a clone right in front of 2 paths of pain, a rinnegan user, and went completely undetected. Another notable comment to back my claim, chojis father even said kakashi always makes a clone toto test his opponents abilities first.

Kamui vs amateratsu/susanoo

I think kamui is an effective against both of these but I'll start with amateratsu. While the flames are deadly to anyone who comes in contact with it, I can gather one thing from this jutsus usage: it burns slowly. We've even seen 2 people use substitutions and one get his hand surgically removed before it caused any damage. Im pretty sure kakashi can kamui any fire that gets on him. We've seen his precise control over kamui in his fight against Tobi. The question is can he kamui amateratsu? If can kamui rasengans, lightning infused kunai and susanoos arrow , im sure he can kamui amateratsu.

We know that itachis susanoo boasts to weapons of legend: the yata mirror and the blade of totsuka. Since itachi incorporated them into his susanoo, I think it's safe to say they are the same composition...and you know what that means. If he kamui susanoo arrow, I sure he can use it on the objects or susanoo itself leaving itachi wide open for rakiri. Yata mirror isn't deflecting a t/s attack.

Final blow: kakashis rakiri. Itachi won't be able to dodge because of exhaustion and deteriorating eyesight. He can't counter this stronger faster version like he did sasukes. Not to mention kakashis has a good sharingan eye.

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Didn't feel like reading but I agree.
 

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It's very much possible that Kakashi could keep up with Sasuke or Itachi...
Who the **** am I kidding? They'd both destroy him. xd
 

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Itachi would put him in the oven and Sasuke serves him on a golden platter.
 

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Now that I think about it, unless he has some hidden jutsus, there isn't much sasuke can do differently.
 

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Whatever you are smoking is it on sale? I can say maybe Sasuke when he was younger but Kakashi has been owned by every mature Uchiha with two eyeballs since Naruto has been written. A SICK Itachi still kicked his ass in part one without touching him. C'mon guy...Itachi couldn't even stop Kabuto...Sasuke maybe when he was younger...and what has driven me here is the audacity of your post I'm not even a Uchiha fanboy
 

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Hmm.. You have some points there but I'm not so sure about Itachi. For me he is still a bit mysterious ~actually ..a'lot >.<~ . Soo Itachi might surpass him at some point cause he is like one of the strongest ninja but yes according to your post it is quite possible.

PS: I liked your thread . It was definetly worth reading (>^w^)> Peace and love xox~
 

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I doubt he stands a chance against itachie, against sasuke since he was kinda his teacher at a point he has a chance hell maybe could even beat him. you have to look at your oppenent to attack him and since by just looking at itachie he would get caught in his genjutsu. you bring up other valid points but dont forget kakashi doesn't have a load of chakra just like itachie. in my opinion itachie would overwhelm kakashi.
 
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Good points, but I feel like if he can Kamui Susano'o, that's the most bs technique Kishimoto has come up with. It's way too over powered if that's the case. But because of that, I feel like it can't be done. And, even if he can Kamui's Susano'o, they would be able to bring it right back? Sasuke would do a better job of that considering that he has EMS, but, I don't think Kakashi can use Kamui and have Raikiri ready right after. Kamui drains Kakashi, and we all know that utilizing the MS doesn't make the user feel pretty, haha.

But very good points bro, and it's very likely that he could beat either of them. + rep!
 

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nice arguments and I think that kakashi might even beat sasuke or itachi but the problem is he's no uchiha. He can't kamui everything and after he uses kamui he's slow for a while (e.g. during fight with sasuke after he kamuided the arrow he was too slow to reach sakura). But I really like your thread :) Keep up the good work :D
 

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Yeah I agree to some extent being a seriously Kakashi fan and after that Itachi's fan...
Itachi CAN hold his ground pretty much but it would be close, I mean either side's mistake will turn the battle...
About Sasuke, unless he unleashes new powers from EMS, everything Sasuke has won't save him from Kakashi...
 

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No he can't because Kakashi chakra isn't enough to take them both. He also isn't an Uchiha and when he use his MS it made him waste a lot of chakra unlike the Uchiha.
 

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No Kakashi might have a chance defeating Itachi cuz he's sick n almost blind so I'm not gonna to much to that I'll leave it at 70/30 in itachis favor
Vs sasuke:
He can't kamui away AMA because it doesn't travel it cast flames where ever sasuke focus n if it's already on his body he can't kamui it way be accuse Kakashi kamui makes like a black whole him body would get sucked in

If sasuke uses susanoo Kakashi can't kamui him because susanoo is to big n Kakashi wouldn't waste kamui cuz he needs 2 save his chakra 4 arrow spamming
 

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Kamui is not instant we all saw deidara still flying while in it im sure itachi can dodge it and then Itachi's susanoo has yata which protects him from "Anything" till proven otherwise so until shown whethr or not his susanoo is breachable Itachi wins
 

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Care to explain?

His only advantage is Kamui, which can be easily countered by either of the two Uchiha mentioned above. Even if he uses kamui as a defensive attack, there are only so many times he can avoid amaterasu from EMS Sasuke and only so many times he can avoid a susanoo attack from either. Plus, Kakashi only managed to use kamui so much due to assistance of fellow shinobi. If this is a solo match, I see Kakashi being fried to a crisp. :|

Kakashi is cool, however. U_U
 
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His only advantage is Kamui, which can be easily countered by either of the two Uchiha mentioned above. Even if he uses kamui as a defensive attack, there are only so many times he can avoid amaterasu from EMS Sasuke and only so many times he can avoid a susanoo attack from either. Plus, Kakashi only managed to use kamui so much due to assistance of fellow shinobi. If this is a solo match, I see Kakashi being fried to a crisp. :|

Kakashi is cool, however. U_U

^This.
 

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im gonna say this nice n simple. two eyes are better then one
 
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