Thinking Kakashi can take itachi or sasuke (with logic, reason and evidence)

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Dude i gone with the anime and the manga wrote and pictured he cant **** with a true uchiha... Itachi shitted on him twice sasuke is and adult and i keep thinking on the river how sasuke met kakashi.. i felt like he could of beat him so easliy.
 

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I Think he can.... Haha, my opinion is diferent b.i.t.c.h.e.s stfu
 

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Kakashis taijutsu is good but blind sasuke was overwheming him in there breif taijutsu fight.also kakashi can't dodge sussano arrows,he has to use kamui.4. Arrows and he's out of chakra :p
 

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First of all, don't come in here spewing nonsense like one word answers. Please have logic/reason of proof to counter my points. On to the thread.

Vs Itachi

Im going to break these 2 down in 2 catagories: first being strengths, second being why I think kakashi can pretty much counter itachi.

1.Ninjutsu- Tie- Aside from the obvious Uchiha moves like susanoo and amateratsu and kakashis kamui, I think these 2 are even here. While itachi may possess superior hand seal speed, kakashi has a much wider range of jutsu at his disposal.

2.Genjutsu- Itachi-obviously. However, if they had fought again, there is a reason why I think kakashi can nullify tsyukuomi. I'll explain it in part 2.

3.Taijutsu- Tie- While itachi has proven that his Taijutsu is a force to be reckoned with, I feel kakashis Taijutsu is severely underrated. I mean seriously...he fought Hidan with a kunai WHILE avoiding kakuzus masks.

4. Intellect-Tie- Both have proved to be the 2 most intellectual ninjas we have seen. I don't think either is smarter than the other. The winner of this fight needs something more. (Data book 3 backs up my first 4 points, so no arguing those.)

Here's why I think kakashi could win

When fighting most opponents, itachi likes to use first what he does best.....Genjutsu. While he incapacitated kakashi the first time with it, I don't think it would work on him again. The reason being: the same jutsu doesn't work twice on kakashi....he's too smart for that. He even told zabuza that and proved it to him. When kakashi fought the itachi clone in the anime, he distracted him and sent out a clone in his place which got caught in Genjutsu to no avail. I think this would work in a battle against the real itachi for 2 reasons: itachis fading eyesight and kakashis skill at making clones in combat. He even made a clone right in front of 2 paths of pain, a rinnegan user, and went completely undetected. Another notable comment to back my claim, chojis father even said kakashi always makes a clone toto test his opponents abilities first.

Kamui vs amateratsu/susanoo

I think kamui is an effective against both of these but I'll start with amateratsu. While the flames are deadly to anyone who comes in contact with it, I can gather one thing from this jutsus usage: it burns slowly. We've even seen 2 people use substitutions and one get his hand surgically removed before it caused any damage. Im pretty sure kakashi can kamui any fire that gets on him. We've seen his precise control over kamui in his fight against Tobi. The question is can he kamui amateratsu? If can kamui rasengans, lightning infused kunai and susanoos arrow , im sure he can kamui amateratsu.

We know that itachis susanoo boasts to weapons of legend: the yata mirror and the blade of totsuka. Since itachi incorporated them into his susanoo, I think it's safe to say they are the same composition...and you know what that means. If he kamui susanoo arrow, I sure he can use it on the objects or susanoo itself leaving itachi wide open for rakiri. Yata mirror isn't deflecting a t/s attack.

Final blow: kakashis rakiri. Itachi won't be able to dodge because of exhaustion and deteriorating eyesight. He can't counter this stronger faster version like he did sasukes. Not to mention kakashis has a good sharingan eye.

Thoughts?

1. Ninjutsu. Sorry dude, it is not a tie. Kakashi may possess 1000+ jutsus but this doesnt mean anything. It is not a matter of quantity, it is a matter of quality and strength. I dont care if he is able to use 200 suitons and 300 katons, because the result will be the same...they will be reflected by sussano'o and Kakashi's position will be deteriorated. So, the wide range of jutsus is nullified. You have to think a jutsu that works against sussano'o. Itachi's sussano'o seems impenetrable. What about totsuka sword? How could Kakashi counter that? Additionally, kamui can absorb rasengans and arrows, yet amaterasu burns constantly. Kakashi will send some amaterasu flames away, but Itachi will keep using it. Kamui works with objects and its clear that Kakashi cant spam it without considering his chakra levels. Therefore, Kamui cant protect him. Once again, in bad shape.

2. Genjutsu. Itachi has the upperhand by far. He always used genjutsu from the start of the fights. Kakashi cant break Tsukoyomi because he is not an uchiha, so his only option is not to get caught. But, as everyone knows, Itachi can cast genjutsu just with his finger. Dont you think Kakashi is in a very difficult situation? He must avoid eye contact by all costs and the same time he must be able to read Itachi's genjutsu his his sharingan. Kakashi's kage and raiton bunshin require half of his chakra, he is not reckless to use them simply to avoid a genjutsu against such an enemy. Kakashi will obviously have a very tough time dealing just with it.

3. Taijutsu. Kakashi is very good in this area. Itachi is a monster as well, he fought Naruto and Bee and easily evaded their attacks. Lets say tie. Though, simple taijutsu cant decide the result of a such a high level battle.

Overall, I believe this is a one move ko. Sussano'o Itachi is the ultimate jutsu, both for defence and offence. Itachi's chakra levels is not a real problem, because the battle will not be long. Itachi is too much for Kakashi...It became clear in the manga several times.
 
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Kakashis taijutsu is good but blind sasuke was overwheming him in there breif taijutsu fight.also kakashi can't dodge sussano arrows,he has to use kamui.4. Arrows and he's out of chakra :p

1. Sasuke wasn't yet blind during their short taijutsu spar.
2. Kakashi had the upper hand during this spar.
3. No, current Kakashi would have more than half his chakra after kamuing 4 arrows.
 

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I hate disappointing you, but Kakashi would have killed him easily, especially after he got half blind. No to mention the fact Sasuke was healed several times before fighting against Kakashi.

But as we can see, he had to deal with 13 (correct me if I'm wrong) Izanagis and still killed Danzo and he only got healed once from Zetsu and it wasn't even fully and Kakashi only dodged Sussano arrow because of Magenkyo. So tell me what a well rested Sasuke would do to Kakashi
 

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Kakashis chakra reserves and powerfull tech is just too low... They both take this one from him. Itachi low to mid diff and sasuke mid to high.

Ok let me make this clear....anyone still saying kakashi has low chakra after his recent feats....just get yourself banned. He fought in the war 2 days straight no rest, 4 kamuis, 2 on large objects, chain lightning, lightning infused kunai.

Itachi starts puking the second susanoo is up. Please stop.
 

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Itachi wins, your theories are far fetched and kamui would not take down susanoo, it's not really a physical object, I think of it more as formation of chakra. Also stop saying Itachi sick this and that, we should be talking about a full health Itachi. Also you completely forgot about Izanami and Inanagi, if Itachi feels like he can't win he can resort to that. If Itachi thinks he has the slightest chance of losing there's nothing to stop him from pulling out susanno, the yata mirror and the sword and just one shotting Kakashi. We never saw him do that because we never see him fighting seriously against someone with the intention to kill. Kamui takes time to charge up and you also have to be looking at where you want to use it, if Kakashi looks at Itachi he will be trapped in genjutsu. Kakashi also seems to use up a lot of chakra, he can't draw out a battle for too long, Itachi seems better at conserving chakra and will win a prolonged fight because of that. Oh and amaterasu will fry Kakashi, he can't kamui a wall of eternal flames away, he can only use it 3 or 4 times maybe.

This post fails. Your not thinking Jr. If he can kamui a arrow of susanoo, he can kamui susanoo itself....same properties.
 

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See....this is what ticks me off. To say you think itachi or sasuke has a better chance at winning is understandable but to say kakashi doesn't have much of a chance is just foolish. Everyone knows him, even ninjas that has never seen him. Wanna know why that is? Because he's feared and respected for his power.

As for susanoo with blaze release...if he can kamui the arrows, then goodbye susanoo.

Funny how he couldn't even handle Kakuzu tho =/
He's not weak, just not beating Sasuke or Itachi
 

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1. Ninjutsu. Sorry dude, it is not a tie. Kakashi may possess 1000+ jutsus but this doesnt mean anything. It is not a matter of quantity, it is a matter of quality and strength. I dont care if he is able to use 200 suitons and 300 katons, because the result will be the same...they will be reflected by sussano'o and Kakashi's position will be deteriorated. So, the wide range of jutsus is nullified. You have to think a jutsu that works against sussano'o. Itachi's sussano'o seems impenetrable. What about totsuka sword? How could Kakashi counter that? Additionally, kamui can absorb rasengans and arrows, yet amaterasu burns constantly. Kakashi will send some amaterasu flames away, but Itachi will keep using it. Kamui works with objects and its clear that Kakashi cant spam it without considering his chakra levels. Therefore, Kamui cant protect him. Once again, in bad shape.

2. Genjutsu. Itachi has the upperhand by far. He always used genjutsu from the start of the fights. Kakashi cant break Tsukoyomi because he is not an uchiha, so his only option is not to get caught. But, as everyone knows, Itachi can cast genjutsu just with his finger. Dont you think Kakashi is in a very difficult situation? He must avoid eye contact by all costs and the same time he must be able to read Itachi's genjutsu his his sharingan. Kakashi's kage and raiton bunshin require half of his chakra, he is not reckless to use them simply to avoid a genjutsu against such an enemy. Kakashi will obviously have a very tough time dealing just with it.

3. Taijutsu. Kakashi is very good in this area. Itachi is a monster as well, he fought Naruto and Bee and easily evaded their attacks. Lets say tie. Though, simple taijutsu cant decide the result of a such a high level battle.

Overall, I believe this is a one move ko. Sussano'o Itachi is the ultimate jutsu, both for defence and offence. Itachi's chakra levels is not a real problem, because the battle will not be long. Itachi is too much for Kakashi...It became clear in the manga several times.

Besides the Uchiha big 3, what other powerful jutsu do itachi have? Grand fireball? Water clone explosion? Puhleez.

Your a fraud dude. Stop acting like itachi has massive ninjutsu. He hasn't even used over 6 ninjutsu in part 1 and 2 combined, none of which are A rank. Kakashi probably has more S rank jutsu than him. Where are all of these high quality ninjutsu? Nevermore, they don't exist...your just trying to big itachi up with false info as fanboys do.
 

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Besides the Uchiha big 3, what other powerful jutsu do itachi have? Grand fireball? Water clone explosion? Puhleez.

Your a fraud dude. Stop acting like itachi has massive ninjutsu. He hasn't even used over 6 ninjutsu in part 1 and 2 combined, none of which are A rank. Kakashi probably has more S rank jutsu than him. Where are all of these high quality ninjutsu? Nevermore, they don't exist...your just trying to big itachi up with false info as fanboys do.

hahaha you are hilarius. Fraud? MS is enough to stomp Kakashi. A wide variaety of jutsus isnt everything. And possibly you didnt unsterstand my post. I clearly stated that Kakashi's jutsu wont work. He probably has biggest arsenal but thats not enough. Where are there S rank jutsus you are talking about? Where is the proof? Kakashi has only have Kamui, which is S rank. I am not a fanboy, I stick to manga facts. I think you underestimate Itachi a lot. I wait for you to answer how can Kakashi counter amaterasu and sussano.
 
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Then why didnt he kamui Sasuke's Sussano?

Not knowing what else an opponent can do, that's suicide. Kakashi never goes on the offensive like that. You would be a failed ninja. Shoes how much you know about the copy ninja.
 

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Not knowing what else an opponent can do, that's suicide. Kakashi never goes on the offensive like that. You would be a failed ninja. Shoes how much you know about the copy ninja.

You are talking nonsense. Kakashi's Kamui has a limit regarding the object he will absorb. It is stated in the battle against the bijuus, implied against Obito. He would absorb Gedo Mazo's neck, why? Because all of it, it is out of question. It is impossible. Kakashi used Kamui mostly for defensive purposes. Against arrow and nails. That means something.

You need to read the manga carefully. Kamui bears a great risk. Kakashi uses it in specific occasions and then it leaves him vulnerable. Why is his name copy ninja? He just copied a lot of techniques. What is his original jutsu? Raikiri. Will raikiri work against Sussano'o?
 
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Ok let me make this clear....anyone still saying kakashi has low chakra after his recent feats....just get yourself banned. He fought in the war 2 days straight no rest, 4 kamuis, 2 on large objects, chain lightning, lightning infused kunai.

Itachi starts puking the second susanoo is up. Please stop.

And still compared to itachi his chakra reserves are garbage and he himself admits this in there first fight in part one where he got owned. Looks like u need to rethink some things.
 
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