Thinking Kakashi can take itachi or sasuke (with logic, reason and evidence)

[sindi1997]

LOL so your logic is I think kakashi can't be taken down twice by the same technique wtf ? kakashi admited he would be taken down by the technique agian when he faced itachi in shippuden and going by that logic i can also say that itachi is a master suiton user because he used a s rank suiton tech that doesn't make him at all and tsukyomi itachi s ver requires uchiha blood to be broken or probabily Masive chakra reserves in every case even if kakashi Somehow god knows how brakes tsukyomi he ll be down crying Like a bitch it only took a second And kakashi was On the ground remember last tskyomi let s face facts here you are fanboying cuz you probabily like kakashi to much Or hate itachi and sasuke as for sasuke he doesn't stand a chance all sasuke has to do is activate susanoo And avaterasu the shit out of kakashi since he has ems he can spam them bye bye

huuhauh really last time i checked not only itachi was owning kakashi , asuma , And Kurneai in ninjutsu taijutsu and genjutsu alone without kisame ou well yeah people tend to forget about itachi s hand seal speed which even the sharingan can't follow not only That but you forget amaterasu susanoo yata mirror toska add tsukyomi which has already proven that with a simple tsukyomi itachi>kakashi so tell Me now what was kakashi s chances agian ?

 

[Mrmojo8484]

Kakashi could win by virtue of Kamui, but in terms of their base abilities, Itachi is just more skilled, and is virtuosic at casting genjutsu, ninjutsu, and using weapons. He also has legendary weapons and four, not one, Mangekyō techniques as well as knowledge fo Sharingan kinjutsu. The only area they're even in is intellect, but even that is starting to give Itachi a bit of the edge after his feats against Kabuto and Nagato.

So Kakashi being the only person to figure out tobis ability and being the 2nd to hit him counts for nothing?

 

[Mrmojo8484]

huuhauh really last time i checked not only itachi was owning kakashi , asuma , And Kurneai in ninjutsu taijutsu and genjutsu alone without kisame ou well yeah people tend to forget about itachi s hand seal speed which even the sharingan can't follow not only That but you forget amaterasu susanoo yata mirror toska add tsukyomi which has already proven that with a simple tsukyomi itachi>kakashi so tell Me now what was kakashi s chances agian ?

Go back and read my first post....the Topic post. You find all your answers there.

 

[yondaime4]

perfect susanoo and sasuke cant lose to kakashi agree'd... ems has never been explained to me as less chakra consumption... ems only saves u from blindness and it says it could open one more tech thats all ive ever seen it say, so yes, even with ems kakashi can make sasuke run out of chakra if he enrages him to throw everything at him and he keeps dodges and fakes and counters down to low cost techniques... while geting his hits in at the same time...

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i googled and check it out, it talks about a bunch of uchiha i have never heard of who unlock ems kinda cool. but the reason they dont go blind is because of less strain and the fact that it no longer causes pain im pretty sure is because it doesnt consume as much chakra. cant remember if it says in the manga ill find if it does haha

 

[Bogard]

Kakashi is a better version of Itachi in ninjutsu. Itachi is a better version of Kakashi in genjutsu. Kakashi can win Itachi with an instant Kamui. Itachi can win Kakashi if he hits him with totsuka. I don't see Amaterasu as deadly for Kakashi though. Can someone tell me why Kamui can't warp Amaterasu? Itachi has lower chakra than Kakashi, but Kakashi is a non-Uchiha, so Sharingan drains his chakra more, so i would say it's a draw in stamina. Both are roughly at the same level in intelligence. So overall i would say this fight could go either way.

Concerning the fight against Sasuke, i see Kakashi winning more times than not though. Eventhough Sasuke can spamm his techniques more, Kakashi is smarter, and has great tactical feats, and i'm sure he can manage to outsmart Sasuke and win

 

[yondaime4]

How is he more skilled at ninjutsu? Kakashi has a wider range. If anything they are equals in ninjutsu. And how many of those 4 MS techs are useful against Kakashi? Maybe 1,Amateratsu. I m pretty sure he knows thanks to guy that Tsyukiomi works thru eye contact. Izanami is useless against kakashi because he doesnt use izanagi or try to be somthing hes not and he could kamui susanoo.

So Kakashi being the only person to figure out tobis ability and being the 2nd to hit him counts for nothing?

lol your such a fanboy, i like how you completely ignored my original post because it disproved your whole thread, but all you got was kamui works on everything lol. and you think tsukuyomi or susano are weak against kakashi lol no point in even respinding to you. and minato figured out obitos moves as well as konan and they both hit him. when did kakashi hit him again?

 

[Sazzi]

If i went of by what I see in the series then Kakashi is better at ninjutsu and taijutsu since all we see is itachi spam genjutsu. Thats your logic by the way.

no... itachi shows great skill at both taijutsu and ninjutsu in the series... it is clearly shown his sign weaving at miraculous speeds... his base speed wen flash steping around kicking ppl is shown not to be taken lightly... if i had to judge those two ppl at catagories, it would be: str-itachi, stamina-itachi, ninjutsu knowledge-kakashi, ninjutsu skill- itachi, genjutsu-itachi, taijutsu-close to tie,speed- slightly itachi...

 

[Sasuke1025]

If i went of by what I see in the series then Kakashi is better at ninjutsu and taijutsu since all we see is itachi spam genjutsu. Thats your logic by the way.

Oh please u know that was luck if he didn't kamui his kunai he wouldn't have figure it out

 

[theRPGdude]

Kakashi likes to use clones. Remember his fight with Deva path. Could have killed him. There is a thread stating Deva Path better then itachi. So I'll say Kakashi > Sasuke and Itachi. Kakashi was confident he could have killed Sasuke and we saw how instant his ocular space time ninjutsu is when he Kumia the needle 1 inch from his face.

 

[Sazzi]

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i googled and check it out, it talks about a bunch of uchiha i have never heard of who unlock ems kinda cool. but the reason they dont go blind is because of less strain and the fact that it no longer causes pain im pretty sure is because it doesnt consume as much chakra. cant remember if it says in the manga ill find if it does haha

wat i got from reading that was that it just says wat i said... no blindness and an extra skill... i didnt see it say less strain or any of that...

 

[Sasuke1025]

Kakashi is a better version of Itachi in ninjutsu. Itachi is a better version of Kakashi in genjutsu. Kakashi can win Itachi with an instant Kamui. Itachi can win Kakashi if he hits him with totsuka. I don't see Amaterasu as deadly for Kakashi though. Can someone tell me why Kamui can't warp Amaterasu? Itachi has lower chakra than Kakashi, but Kakashi is a non-Uchiha, so Sharingan drains his chakra more, so i would say it's a draw in stamina. Both are roughly at the same level in intelligence. So overall i would say this fight could go either way.

Concerning the fight against Sasuke, i see Kakashi winning more times than not though. Eventhough Sasuke can spamm his techniques more, Kakashi is smarter, and has great tactical feats, and i'm sure he can manage to outsmart Sasuke and win

The fight with sasuke? U mean right after he defeated Danzo 10 times, was in no condition 2 fight, still had the damage frm the kages, and was nearly blind? Ya I think current sasuke would do a much better job than b4

 

[yondaime4]

wat i got from reading that was that it just says wat i said... no blindness and an extra skill... i didnt see it say less strain or any of that...

lol look at version, first one ryuun uchiha last sentence first paragraph

dont mistake for canon i just thought it was cool and we were on the topic of ems

 

[Bogard]

The fight with sasuke? U mean right after he defeated Danzo 10 times, was in no condition 2 fight, still had the damage frm the kages, and was nearly blind? Ya I think current sasuke would do a much better job than b4

Problem is that i'm talking about a Kakashi with intent to kill, what was obviously not the case at that moment. You also forget to mention that Sasuke got the chakra of every kages and bodyguards thanks to Zetsu, and got healed in more than one occasion by Karin.

 

[Sazzi]

lol look at version, first one ryuun uchiha last sentence first paragraph

dont mistake for canon i just thought it was cool and we were on the topic of ems

yea... but... the thing is, is that its a wiki storyteller's version of a story, i dont consider it a real series story, that is just someones version of wat it does and not out of the series and wat kishi says it does... same as the arguement that raikiri and chidori are different techs, very argueable...

 

[HitmanSasuke23]

Itachi clearly stated "for someone that is not an uchiha you mastered the sharingan well, However our physical strength is something you cannot copy"

Kakashi stated " He's right"

Thread over that's like comparing Hennessy with a chaser vs Hennessy straight

 

[Takos]

Of course.
Part I Kakashi was on par with base Itachi.

The fact that Itachi resorted to MS against Kakashi, which exhausted him greatly, proves that he knew this wouldn't defeat Kakashi otherwise or that it would take way too much time.

I don't think Kakashi could take EMS Sasuke, though. We don't know the extent of Sasuke's EMS powers, but it's gotta be a damn powerful. Kakashi could barely take on MS Sasuke, but EMS is out of his reach.

 

[Sasuke1025]

Problem is that i'm talking about a Kakashi with intent to kill, what was obviously not the case at that moment. You also forget to mention that Sasuke got the chakra of every kages and bodyguards thanks to Zetsu, and got healed in more than one occasion by Karin.

Doesnt matter of he has chakra he was still in no condition 2 fight Karin said it her self. It's like when u work out n u did ur max n out of breath but after u rest 4 a while 2 catch ur breath then u try in again ur most likely not gonna b able 2 do it cuz ur muscle has already been lifting lots of weight oven though u catch ur breath n have the energy 2 do it did tht make sense?

 

[yondaime4]

yea... but... the thing is, is that its a wiki storyteller's version of a story, i dont consider it a real series story, that is just someones version of wat it does and not out of the series and wat kishi says it does... same as the arguement that raikiri and chidori are different techs, very argueable...

i agree its not legit, just thought it was cool since we were talkin about ems. but the fact the ems consumes less chakra is still very real lol. i honestly thought it was common knowledge since ms hurts to use and makes you go blind and ems doesnt hurt and doesnt go blind ,heavy chakra consumption vs not so heavy chakra consumption common sense should prevail here lol

Thread over that's like comparing Hennessy with a chaser vs Hennessy straight

lmao is dis nigga really talkin bout henny.

 

[HadouKage]

First of all, don't come in here spewing nonsense like one word answers. Please have logic/reason of proof to counter my points. On to the thread.

Vs Itachi

Im going to break these 2 down in 2 catagories: first being strengths, second being why I think kakashi can pretty much counter itachi.

1.Ninjutsu- Tie- Aside from the obvious Uchiha moves like susanoo and amateratsu and kakashis kamui, I think these 2 are even here. While itachi may possess superior hand seal speed, kakashi has a much wider range of jutsu at his disposal.

2.Genjutsu- Itachi-obviously. However, if they had fought again, there is a reason why I think kakashi can nullify tsyukuomi. I'll explain it in part 2.

3.Taijutsu- Tie- While itachi has proven that his Taijutsu is a force to be reckoned with, I feel kakashis Taijutsu is severely underrated. I mean seriously...he fought Hidan with a kunai WHILE avoiding kakuzus masks.

4. Intellect-Tie- Both have proved to be the 2 most intellectual ninjas we have seen. I don't think either is smarter than the other. The winner of this fight needs something more. (Data book 3 backs up my first 4 points, so no arguing those.)

Here's why I think kakashi could win

When fighting most opponents, itachi likes to use first what he does best.....Genjutsu. While he incapacitated kakashi the first time with it, I don't think it would work on him again. The reason being: the same jutsu doesn't work twice on kakashi....he's too smart for that. He even told zabuza that and proved it to him. When kakashi fought the itachi clone in the anime, he distracted him and sent out a clone in his place which got caught in Genjutsu to no avail. I think this would work in a battle against the real itachi for 2 reasons: itachis fading eyesight and kakashis skill at making clones in combat. He even made a clone right in front of 2 paths of pain, a rinnegan user, and went completely undetected. Another notable comment to back my claim, chojis father even said kakashi always makes a clone toto test his opponents abilities first.

Kamui vs amateratsu/susanoo

I think kamui is an effective against both of these but I'll start with amateratsu. While the flames are deadly to anyone who comes in contact with it, I can gather one thing from this jutsus usage: it burns slowly. We've even seen 2 people use substitutions and one get his hand surgically removed before it caused any damage. Im pretty sure kakashi can kamui any fire that gets on him. We've seen his precise control over kamui in his fight against Tobi. The question is can he kamui amateratsu? If can kamui rasengans, lightning infused kunai and susanoos arrow , im sure he can kamui amateratsu.

We know that itachis susanoo boasts to weapons of legend: the yata mirror and the blade of totsuka. Since itachi incorporated them into his susanoo, I think it's safe to say they are the same composition...and you know what that means. If he kamui susanoo arrow, I sure he can use it on the objects or susanoo itself leaving itachi wide open for rakiri. Yata mirror isn't deflecting a t/s attack.

Final blow: kakashis rakiri. Itachi won't be able to dodge because of exhaustion and deteriorating eyesight. He can't counter this stronger faster version like he did sasukes. Not to mention kakashis has a good sharingan eye.

Thoughts?

Pretty sure an injured Sasuke (who fought, the Raikage, Mizukage, Onoki, Danzon while using Sussan'o twice) almost killed Kakashi

 

[Takos]

Pretty sure an injured Sasuke (who fought, the Raikage, Mizukage, Onoki, Danzon while using Sussan'o twice) almost killed Kakashi

I hate disappointing you, but Kakashi would have killed him easily, especially after he got half blind. No to mention the fact Sasuke was healed several times before fighting against Kakashi.