Things Kishi has outright changed

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This isn't a thread about plotholes, timeline inconsistencies, or manga mistakes. Instead, this is a thread about things Kishi has outright changed during the course of his manga. More specifically, I want to show instances where Kishi has revealed a fact in his manga, and then clearly changed that reality to a new one in later chapters. Obviously there are distinct reasons for most of these changes, but I just want to show the changes that I am aware of.

First off, we all know that there has been some serious changes to Izanami/ Izanagi ever since we have seen Edo Itachi utilize one of the Jutsu. Back in the day, we were told that Izanagi has a minimal requirement of Uchiha + Senju DNA:

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Now you might argue that this statement simply means that you must have both sets of DNA to MASTER the justu, and that is certainly what recent chapters have implied; but, without a doubt, Kishi initially made it absolutely clear back in chapter 510 that Senju DNA is a minimal requirement for the Jutsu. I strongly feel that this is an aspect of his manga that Kishi outright changed in order to reveal new aspects of his story. Allowing all Uchiha access to the Jutsu makes the story much more interesting, and I feel that he changed it for this very reason.

The next change that I want to mention is the actual result of using Izanagi/ Izanami. We all know that Tobi's eye physically CLOSED after utilizing Izanagi (see image above), but for Itachi, the result was different:

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As you can see, Itachi's eye did not close, but instead faded out, implying total loss of sight. Now obviously the old assumption was that they eye was struck blind and then closed, but clearly Itachi's eye never forcibly closes. I don't really see a reason for Kishi to make this change and it felt rather strange to see him make such an obvious change.

Next up is Kishi's interpretation of the human soul. Before the war began, the soul was never shown to reveal aspects of the person it came from. At the most, the soul showed an outline of the person's hairline or basic facial outlines, but never details of the whole body:

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Now that's obviously overkill, but I wanted to make clear how generic Kishi made the standard soul look when separated from the body. Since the start of the war however, Kishi has made the soul take on the physical attributes of the person in question. The first example of this was Naruto. Pay close attention to Naruto holding onto his own soul:

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And obviously, we have seen full versions of every edo Tensei soul since the release. The most notable of which are Dan and Madara:

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This is an obvious change on Kishi's part, but clearly the change was made for the specific reasons of showing Dan's secret ghost technique and also for allowing Madara an easy way of resealing his soul back into his body, since he still had a partial form.

Lastly, I want to talk about Sasuke U_U. Clearly, contrary to what some people will tell you, Kishi outright CHANGED the design of Sasuke's EMS. This is how it originally looked, followed by its present design:

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The obvious reason for this change is that Sasuke looks downright CROSS-EYED with his original EMS. I think that Kishi's original thought on making his EMS like that is to account for the curved design of Itachi's MS. Since he made those small ellipses straight as opposed to curved like Itachi's were, I think he inverted them so that it more accounted for Itachi's design. But clearly this design was altered to be symmetrical, most likely due to Kishi's assistants.

These are the instances that I feel are significant and worth mentioning. Feel free to question or discuss, or if you have an instance that you want to add to the list, I'd like to hear it. Thanks for reading :).
 

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Izanagi and Izanami are 2 different jutsus
I knew people would try to defend Kishi with this point, but it is simply not true. The two techniques are a PAIR, Kishi stated that himself. Not only that, but Izanami was created for the soul purpose of punishing ARROGANT uchiha's that were OVERUSING Izanagi. This implies that not only did more than one Uchiha have the technique, but they were likely killing members of their own family to overuse the Jutsu. Don't tell me that after these chapters that you still think Izanami doesn't have a minimal requirement of Senju DNA and Izanagi still does.... please.

It has now been made 100% clear that Senju DNA is not a minimal requirement for the 2 jutsu, just a requirement to master them. This is clearly a significant change on Kishi's part.
 

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***** kishi is a idiot and is disappointing me. It is obvious he twists the story just to help his precious uchiha.
That Kishi bro. He made the Uchiha how he thought in his mind. Personally. Everything is going according through how destiny will change things. Sasuke is overpowered through nothing.
 

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maybe obito believed that but perhaps he was lied to like everything else.since madara didnt have enough time to teach him everything.he winged it. not a kishi fuuuck up but simply just waiting for the story to play out.
 

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The Izanami/Izanagi thing I perfecty agree with but the last two don't really bug me, as that's not really an inconstancy, just art evolution. Plus sharingan can spin, so Sasuke's EMS isn't really different to me.
 

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Izanagi and Izanami are 2 different jutsus
They are two different techniques but the delivery is obviously the same. One just chooses destiny and the other decides it. According to Tobi you would have needed Hashirama's DNA to use that ability but Tobi him self didn't need Hashirama's DNA to use that ability. Hashirama's powers just increased the time of Izanagi. Hashirama's DNA with Danzo and the sharigan just gave him access to that ability since he was a non-Uchiha. When people read "Senju DNA" they keep thinking its meant for any normal Senju member. Its not, that statement should technically be Hashirama's DNA because he was the special one within his clan.
 

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Really? Kishi is an idiot? You're on a website devoted to his creation? Jesus christ, kids these days. Have no respect for anybody who actually creates. Just insist stupidly that they could do it better.
 

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I just want to say stop hating on kishi his working hard on this and he posted every week you can't read all 605 chapters in that time so don't rant on him because he I'd doing this for our entertainment. Thank you!
 

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maybe obito believed that but perhaps he was lied to like everything else.since madara didnt have enough time to teach him everything.he winged it. not a kishi fuuuck up but simply just waiting for the story to play out.
Everything Tobi stated at that time was true. Obviously he was still lying about being Madara, but everything else was sincere. I tend to think that he was in fact well informed and told the truth about it.I think Kishi simply changed it.

The Izanami/Izanagi thing I perfecty agree with but the last two don't really bug me, as that's not really an inconstancy, just art evolution. Plus sharingan can spin, so Sasuke's EMS isn't really different to me.
Never said it was an inconsistency, just something Kishi changed for the sake of his manga.

Really? Kishi is an idiot? You're on a website devoted to his creation? Jesus christ, kids these days. Have no respect for anybody who actually creates. Just insist stupidly that they could do it better.
Who said he was an idiot? Who said I don't have respect for Kishi? When did I say I could do it better? As I stated, this isn't a thread showing how Kishi screwed up, its a thread strictly about things he changed, obviously for reasons he feels is valid. I just wanted to point some of them out.

I just want to say stop hating on kishi his working hard on this and he posted every week you can't read all 605 chapters in that time so don't rant on him because he I'd doing this for our entertainment. Thank you!
Read above, I'm not hating on Kishi, just providing a thread with quick reference to things that Kishi has changed in his manga.
 

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If Izanami is used to stop arrogant Uchiha from using Izanagi and Izanagi requires Senju DNA. How would all of those Uchiha's end up with Senju DNA? I think that your right, Kishi decided against making the requirement or perhaps having Senju DNA allows for the perfection of the Jutsu and no longer requires the loss of an eye. In the panel you provided, it doesn't appear that he lost the eye after using Izanagi and subsequent panels only show a shadow. I had assumed that the shadow was representative of a Sharingan that lost it's light, but now who knows? If Senju DNA allows for the perfection of the technique, this really makes me wonder why he would need all of those Sharingan.
 

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If Izanami is used to stop arrogant Uchiha from using Izanagi and Izanagi requires Senju DNA. How would all of those Uchiha's end up with Senju DNA? I think that your right, Kishi decided against making the requirement or perhaps having Senju DNA allows for the perfection of the Jutsu and no longer requires the loss of an eye. In the panel you provided, it doesn't appear that he lost the eye after using Izanagi and subsequent panels only show a shadow. I had assumed that the shadow was representative of a Sharingan that lost it's light, but now who knows? If Senju DNA allows for the perfection of the technique, this really makes me wonder why he would need all of those Sharingan.
Both of the Jutsu obviously still cause the user to loose their eye. Now the jutsu simply doesn't force the eye closed, just makes them loose the light. If you are wondering why Itachi's eye changes during that chapter, its because he is shown coming in and out of Kabuto's loop. Therefore, it appears as if his eye goes back and forth from the normal because of the loops.

But clearly, the Jutsu still requires the loss of their sight, but there is no way that Senju DNA is a minimal requirement for either of the jutsu, and the eye simply looses its light and doesn't necessarily close forcibly.
 

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***** kishi is a idiot and is disappointing me. It is obvious he twists the story just to help his precious uchiha.
The delete your account and stop reading naruto, go real Bleach,Fairy Tail, One piece, etc, etc. There are lots of other things you can do then waste time talking trash about someone who is doing what he loves, His Career. Art.
 
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