[Discussion] There is something about The Sage that doesn't add up

[Draxus]

Naruto did literally bring Obito back in chapter 682. The Sage can't talk to Obito because he is dead and was wondering if he was still there. He didn't know Obito died.

Ok that's a good point, he could be refering to 682, but the Sage just meant he would get the story from Obito's perspective. Sage can talk to anyone in the pure world, so I'm not sure what you mean about him not being able to talk to Obito because he's dead. It's living people he can't reach unless certain pre-requisites are met. What probably happened was he checked for Obito in the pure world and when he wasn't there he asked if he was still in the impure world (inside Kakashi).

Like I said if the sage didn't see the fight, he wouldn't have known Kakashi led them to victory. It's been established he can see the events in both Naruto and Sasuke's life. You're taking one comment and using it to trump a plethora of manga facts. There's no room for debate here.

 

[SeBa]

But how is the question.

about obito ? simple, minato, talking with him etc. not a big deal.. lol
kishi doesn't need to show us everything. lol

 

[SeBa]

Naruto did literally bring Obito back in chapter 682. The Sage can't talk to Obito because he is dead and was wondering if he was still there. He didn't know Obito died.

no but he didn't saw him.. he did not summon him. so his logical explination was that he died.

 

[NaruSasuRival]

It is funny how the fanbase keep accusing Kishi of not having logic instead of realizing that they are one who fail to understand the logic of the manga. First, this manga is about Ninjas, and this means the characters in the story uses deception to reach their goal. This being said, Kishi had thrown one beautiful principle about his story:

Kishi is not the author of what a character says. Rather, each character has his own knowledge, and integrity. That is whatever a character says is true only for the character, and it is not Kishi's statement.​

We have many example of this, among which:

I. (1) For Nagato, Obito was Madara, (2) For Akatsuki, Obito was Tobi and (3) Obito was the masked man for the rest of the world. Obito played these three roles until he decided to go public.

II. The RDS was unbreakable until orochimaru broke it. Why Minato and Hiruzen said it was unbreakable? Well, because they are ninjas, and they gain everything into making people believe it is unbreakable.

There are many more examples, but I think these are enough. Similarly, whatever BZ said has the value of BZ's statement, not Kishi's. In fact, the same BZ who said Hagoromo was ignorant said also that Hagoromo did not know of his existence. Thus, if a reader is really critical, he would ask how BZ knew that hagoromo was ignorant if he never talk to him.

In conclusion, I think that the readers have problem because they think Kishi is responsible for what a character says.

 

[WalksInShadows]

from what i understood, Hagoromo assumed Kaguya and the Juubi were different entities. It was the same assumption Madara made until she spoke to him.

 

[Tendou Pain]

hagoromo mentioned he became the juubi jinchuuriki and sealed his mother so i think it is safe to assume he didn't assume kaguya and Juubi being different entities, he knew they were different.