[Theory] Why senjutsu rasengan can hurt Obito

Senju Bean

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@kurama2012, really? I have to prove self evident facts?

Look, Obito tanked a Juubi BB when he didn't have Omyoudon. Do I need to say more?
 
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Sage Mode Rasengan is Made up of Sage Natural Energy,that Naruto has gather. Normal rasengan just users spiritual and body chakra Ninjutsu witch Obito can negate. Sage Rasengan is Senjutsu totally different.
 

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Where the heck did you get this super hard skin stuff. Please show me where we actually see proof his skin is like diamond, instead of just regenerating.
 

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Jesus, man. Use logic.

Let me connect the dots for you.

What happens when a nuke hits a diamond statue?It gets vaporized.

Juubi TBB>>>Nukes.

The fact that Obito wasn't atomized by his TBB(which is stronger than a nuke) is enough to show that he's incredibly tough, tougher than diamonds.

Proof completed.
 
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Obito's skin is way harder than anything ever imagined. Harder than diamonds, 3rd Raikage's lighting armor, Madara's PS, anything.

So then, how did a basic rasengan hurt Obito?

It's not simply because senjutsu allowed Naruto to bybass Oymoudon. If that were the case, Obito still wouldn't get hurt from getting hit due to his diamond hard skin. So what else is going on?

Sage mode is actually Obito's weakness. Like Kryptonite is Superman's weakness. Superman is normally impregnable but with kryptonite, he is softened to the point where knives can make him bleed. For Obito, sage mode attacks may affect him in a similar way.

Here is how you make this nonsense make sense...

You start off by nonchalantly stating something that is false as if it was something everyone already knew "Obito's skin is way harder than anything ever imagined", but this is actually something that has never been stated in the manga or even shown to be true, and is actually not true because if that was the case Obito wouldnt be defending himself with the manipulated black orbs.

None the less you take this lie and beg a question "So then, how did a basic rasengan hurt Obito?" Now if you didnt start off with the lie you would have been shot down quickly. So you start off with the lie to get people saying "Oh wait, he just said Obito's skin is hard" but they dont even realize that you havent shown any reason to believe this is true or back up the claim whatsoever.

With that you lead to an assumption which makes sense only and as long as the lie is unquestioned. "Sage mode is actually Obito's weakness. Like Kryptonite is Superman's weakness.".

But once you realize, whicheveryone with a brain should have realized, that this "Obito's skin is way harder than anything ever imagined. Harder than diamonds, 3rd Raikage's lighting armor, Madara's PS, anything. " is a lie concocted to make your theory seem plausible, then you quickly realize how bad this thread really is...

To be completely honest I dont know why you made this thread... I find it highly unlikely that you believe this "Obito's skin is way harder than anything ever imagined." because their has been litterally no reason from the manga, not even in the slightest, that would lead someone to think this... are you a troll?

But most importantly I want you to read the scans below:

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Tobirama says "He's not just dumb, he realized" Realized what? That the attacked gamakichi did was still stuck on Obito's black orbs. Gamakichi is a sage, his jutsu was a Sage Technique. Therefore he realized that Sage Techniques may work against Obito.... Its not complicated.
 
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FearxDeath. That was quite a long post. I will respond with this: Obito almost completely tanked a Juubi BB without Omyoudon.

Make of it what you will.
 
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FearxDeath. That was quite a long post. I will respond with this: Obito almost completely tanked a Juubi BB without Omyoudon.

Make of it what you will.

Show me the scan please...
 

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A weak Juubi BB took out a huge mountain range. The energy was far greater than anything used by humankind. Also, not even Madara's PS can take out that many mountains at once.

The Juubi Jin, Obito is much stronger. His charkra arms tore the Barrier set up by the Hokages. This barrier withstood a giant Juubi BB.


This means that Obito's Charkra arms are stronger than stage two Juubi's giant BB.

However, it is safe to assume that Obitos' BB is stronger than his charkra arms( since this literally holds for all the Jins).

This means that the BB Obito got hit by was far far more powerful than this
and yet, after taking a direct hit, he is still alive


If Obito can survive a blast far greater than then it goes to say that his skin is hard enough to block a rasengan.

Do you get it now?

Analogy: If someone only gets half his body blown away by a 100 megaton nuke while being at ground zero, then he must definitely be able to survive a regular rocket launcher.

Well, scaling things:

Rasengan=rocket launcher.
Obito's BB=100 megaton nuke.

I think that's a fair comparison.


Comeon, all of this is common sense. No, I'm not a troll. Disprove my analogy about the 100 megaton nuke, and I will be happy to admit I'm wrong.
 
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Oh yeah, he also had something heavy, more so than Madara's Meteors, drop on him




Boken bones?, no just this as a response

How does it make sense to withstand millions of tons of pressure any yet not have hard enough skin to withstand a rasengan? I'm sorry, but it just doesn't make sense.
 
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Madara told Obito to be careful, that the Juubi can be hurt,Obito said the Juubi skin was thought, He did not say invulnerable, Madara would know, their are somethings that can Hurt the Juubi, thus they can Hurt Obito or He would not be using the orbs to protected His body now would He?
 

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Senju Bean... The TBB that almost blew up Juubito wasn't as powerful as you think. If it was the entire alliance would be dead. They aren't that far away.
 

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You didn't say why it hurts him we all know it's his weakness from last chapter.
 

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@Draxus, and I'm supposed to believe that all of the sudden he powered down so much that his own BB is weaker than his charkra arms?

He is focusing the Juubi's power into a small area. That's why we saw he was able to tear the barrier with charkra arms that were around human sized( much smaller than 2nd stage Juubi BB). That's also why he was strong enough to smash those millions of tons Hashi dropped on him.

The 8tails even said that the Juubi's power is concentrated.

So it's likely that his BB was merely concentrated to a smaller blast radius. It's still hundreds of megatons though, just in a very very compact area.

Remember, in manga, when things trasform to a more powerful state, they generally use more powerful attacks then before. I don't think Kishi would break this tradition. So yes, that BB was more powerful than before.
 

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Honerdsage, 2nd stage Juubi is already super tough; it took it's own giant BB unscathed.
There is no way it would have survived had it's skin not be super tough, way tougher than diamond.

The Juubi Jin should have a similar ability, no reason to assume not since he obtained BB and a host of other things.
Also, the fact that Obito turned white and has 10 spikes on his back, is a very strong hint that his anatomy has been altered to resemble the Juubi's. Also, since the skin color is the same, I'd venture that the skin material on Obito has been altered to be the same( or at least very similar), although more dense.

And we see this durability first hand in two seperate situations. Hashi dropping a mountain of gates on him and him surviving a dense Juubi BB. Anything not incredibaly hard would have been completely destroyed.
 

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Ladies and gentlemen. What about we wait till the future chapters tell us exactly what is going on with his body?
 

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Well...,I guess that about wraps things up.
 
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