[Theory] The Unknown S/T Jutsu User [The White Fang]

[Your Creepy Stalker]

s/t justu is like super saiyan. It is increddibl rare, incredibly powerful and every second guy has it.

 

[FearxDeath]

I really like theories, and actually I come on the forums to discuss theories most of the time. However, on this forum, it seems that people create theories just without caring about any logic. Even a speculation requires that a logic between facts exist. With no offense, your theory is highly flawed. Here is my reason:

1) The fact that Tobirama know hiraishin does not defeat the argument that Minato discovered his FTG on his own.

In fact, you are forgetting that at some point in time, Tobirama or someone older than him had to create the his S/T on his own. If that person can, then other person can too. If your argument is that Minato is not smart enough to create the Justu, then your theory does not prove it either. Fact is that Minato was extremely fast even without the teleportation. I think this is where the Jutsu comes from. Their initial speed suggest a genetic heritage there. Here, my best speculation would be that Minato is Tobirama's son or grandson. This fact could be supported by Hiruzen choice of Minato as Hokage and why Hiruzen cared much about him. It could be because Minato was a genius, but it could also be that Hiruzen could see his Sensei in him.

2) No matter how you use Sakumo, there is no hint in the manga, and no logic in your argument. Jiraya was Minato's teacher, and I bet Jiraya was compared to Sakumo (3 sannins). Chyo also mentioned her Rivalry with white fang and Tsunade. This suggest that Chyo, White Fang, and the three Sannins are in the same Generation of shinobi. You should not forget actually, that Chyo and Tsunade are of the same age, except that Tsunade uses regeneration Jutsu. If Sakumo knew Tobirama then Jiraya knew Tobirama. Even so, Jiraya mentioned that Minato was a genius. In case you have not followed me, I am saying that Sakumo and Jiraya are the same age range.

3) Again, Minato is a mystery in the manga and I have predicted long ago that after the Uchiha's story, the last piece of excitment in Naruto (history-wise) will be Minato, Tobirama, Naruto, and the Uzumaki clan. I am pretty sure that Minato is Tobirama's son r grandson. I also think that the Hiraishin is not a mere Jutsu that anyone can perform easily. Rather, it is a KKG that is very difficult to control. Maybe Tobirama was able to use it on a certain scale, Minato came up with the sealing tag to use it, and Naruto will spam it just because he is more gifted than his predecessor. I am speculating, but this speculation is even better than what you said.

A few remarks;

- As soon as Naruto got a lot of chakra from Kyuubi, the first think he did was sensing beyond normal. We also saw that sensing is Tobirama's ability. He could even sense the evilness of Madara's chakra from far.

- The second think Naruto did after getting chakra from Kyuubi was a shunshin that was nothing short of the Yellow flash touch. This bring him even closer to the Tobirama and Minato.

On another forums, I have a theory that Minato is Tobirama's descendent, and that FTG is a genetically connected Jutsu. In the following chapters, we will see that these connections are real, and that most of the things Naruto is doing are actually genetically connected to his parents.

1) You say that because Tobirama knows Hiraishin means FTG in english, does not dismiss the fact that Minato created his own FTG... If Minato created his own FTG then why would he call it FTG... What would be the purpose of naming it the exact some technique as tobirama's. Infact believe what you want, I am not going to debate conjecture. You state this as if it proves me wrong, it doesnt, all you did was pose an alternative, but I never said there were alternatives, in fact if you read my thread I start it by saying "There is nothing conclusive".

2) Prove it... All you say is, Chiyo knew Sakumo... Chiyo knew Tsunade, there for Sakumo and Tsunade are the same age? On top of that if you look at how old Sakumo is when he commits suicide he has grey hair is is old. And this was 5 years before Minato became leader of Obitos team. Which would be around the same time The sannin fought Hanzo...

3) You then say that your speculation is better by mine.. you dont say why or how, you just say it is and that I should take what you say for granted?

And all your speculations are nonsense? I dont understand why you even said them... And what is ALL this talk about Minato being related to Tobirama? The manga didnt even say wether Tobirama had a wife not to mention kids and yet your saynig he is his great grandson and that Minato is really a Senju... And this is the theory your saying is better than mine... Why did you even waste time replying. All you did was say a bunch of things not even bothering to prove what you said with a scan of any sort so for me to even begin taking what you said seriously I have to dig around to find what your talking about? No thanks.. Next time if you want to critic my theory then provide the source of where you get your information from.. And NEVER respond with a completely different nonsense theory about Minato being Tobiramas grandson and then leave off by saying it is better than mine.

 

[FearxDeath]

You actually did but like i said before u have your theories and i have my own...You seem to not understand or want to understand what i was trying to say but hey not everyone has the same thought process..With maturity u'll learn how to disagree with out aggression..If criticism or debating is problematic for u then an open forum isn't for u..I hope i'm not being obtuse..lets jus agree to disagree

Keep your condensending comments to your self, I didnt read post the 3 periods in the first sentence. I didnt say we couldnt agree to disagree, you posed your on theory challenging mine saying mine was faulty and yours was correct. It was only when I challenged your theory did you throw up your hands and say lets agree to disagree. If that was the was then you should have just posted "interesting" and then made your on thread. But instead you posted on mine challenging my thread and then turn around and play the victim.

But its all good, I disclaimed several times that this theory was merely food for thought and how there was nothing conclusive in it and yet a few people still felt the need to blatantly say it was wrong or stupid, which is when I felt the need to defend it. All I said was that it was a possibility that should be considered... I litterally couldnt have made that point more clear.

 

[Strata Uchiha]

I hope and pray you stick around NB for the long haul.

This is a brilliant deduction! (applauds)

It makes perfect sense that Minato could of trained under Jiraiya and Sakumo Hatake, and learned S/T jutsu under the White Fang.

 

[Deadboy]

Good theory, I always felt like Sakumo, Tobirama, and Kakashi were related in some way. They all use a form of a lightning blade and have Grey/Silver hair (Jiraiya has white hair). The only thing I wonder is, do you think he passed it on to Minato so that Minato could teach Kakashi? If no, why didn't he save it to teach Kakashi (because I'm sure he didn't know he was going to die).

 

[Deadboy]

Also, all 3 were practitioner's of kenjutsu.

 

[FearxDeath]

Good theory, I always felt like Sakumo, Tobirama, and Kakashi were related in some way. They all use a form of a lightning blade and have Grey/Silver hair (Jiraiya has white hair). The only thing I wonder is, do you think he passed it on to Minato so that Minato could teach Kakashi? If no, why didn't he save it to teach Kakashi (because I'm sure he didn't know he was going to die).

Well I dont like to speculate that much but I would have to say that Minato would have son kind of relation to Sakumo. I dont know enough to say what it was but Sakumo trains Minato for some reason. So he didnt really teach Kakashi in order to have Minato pass it down to him but rather did it prior because he wanted to.

For the same reason Minato taught Jiraiya Rasengan, its not like he predicted his death and wanted Jiraiya to Naruto, that was just a happy coincedence. The same thing goes for Sakumo.

 

[NaruSasuRival]

1) You say that because Tobirama knows Hiraishin means FTG in english, does not dismiss the fact that Minato created his own FTG... If Minato created his own FTG then why would he call it FTG... What would be the purpose of naming it the exact some technique as tobirama's. Infact believe what you want, I am not going to debate conjecture. You state this as if it proves me wrong, it doesnt, all you did was pose an alternative, but I never said there were alternatives, in fact if you read my thread I start it by saying "There is nothing conclusive".

2) Prove it... All you say is, Chiyo knew Sakumo... Chiyo knew Tsunade, there for Sakumo and Tsunade are the same age? On top of that if you look at how old Sakumo is when he commits suicide he has grey hair is is old. And this was 5 years before Minato became leader of Obitos team. Which would be around the same time The sannin fought Hanzo...

3) You then say that your speculation is better by mine.. you dont say why or how, you just say it is and that I should take what you say for granted?

And all your speculations are nonsense? I dont understand why you even said them... And what is ALL this talk about Minato being related to Tobirama? The manga didnt even say wether Tobirama had a wife not to mention kids and yet your saynig he is his great grandson and that Minato is really a Senju... And this is the theory your saying is better than mine... Why did you even waste time replying. All you did was say a bunch of things not even bothering to prove what you said with a scan of any sort so for me to even begin taking what you said seriously I have to dig around to find what your talking about? No thanks.. Next time if you want to critic my theory then provide the source of where you get your information from.. And NEVER respond with a completely different nonsense theory about Minato being Tobiramas grandson and then leave off by saying it is better than mine.

1) Why did Tobirama called it FTG? You can see that the name is not a random name, but something that matches the execution of the Jutsu. I guess they fly when they are doing the Jutsu. Also, you should note that two different people at two era can create the same think if they are not aware of the existence of the result of the previous people. This even happen in scientific research. Creation and invention comes when we encounter a problem or observe a phenomenon. This is why I mention the speed of Minato as a kid. Their base speed are not normal, and can lead to investigation that in turn leads to FTG. This can happen to a child who has no record of his genetic heritage.

For example, Naruto knew nothing about his father. It turns out that when he is able to mold enough chakra, his body can simply fly. If no one around him knew the Yellow Flash, all his peer would have named him Yellow Flash, thinking he is the first one to do such flash.

2) The Sannin fought Hanzou when Nagato was a kid. Minato was team captain when Madara was in the cave, and Obito was a kid. You can see that Jiraya and the other Sannin fought Hanzou in the previous war, not the one Minato led Konoha to victory. A lot of years have passed, even more than 10 years if you read Kakashi Gaiden.

Note: I have read the series a lot, and even if I can exaggerate sometimes, I don't use intel to trick someone. Try to compare Jiraya when he was Minato's master and Kakashi's father. Don't also forget that Kakashi father was depressed before he commit suicide. This make him look old in the flashback. In the Limbo meeting with Kakashi, he wasn't that old.

 

[FearxDeath]

1) Why did Tobirama called it FTG? You can see that the name is not a random name, but something that matches the execution of the Jutsu. I guess they fly when they are doing the Jutsu. Also, you should note that two different people at two era can create the same think if they are not aware of the existence of the result of the previous people. This even happen in scientific research. Creation and invention comes when we encounter a problem or observe a phenomenon. This is why I mention the speed of Minato as a kid. Their base speed are not normal, and can lead to investigation that in turn leads to FTG. This can happen to a child who has no record of his genetic heritage.

For example, Naruto knew nothing about his father. It turns out that when he is able to mold enough chakra, his body can simply fly. If no one around him knew the Yellow Flash, all his peer would have named him Yellow Flash, thinking he is the first one to do such flash.

2) The Sannin fought Hanzou when Nagato was a kid. Minato was team captain when Madara was in the cave, and Obito was a kid. You can see that Jiraya and the other Sannin fought Hanzou in the previous war, not the one Minato led Konoha to victory. A lot of years have passed, even more than 10 years if you read Kakashi Gaiden.

Note: I have read the series a lot, and even if I can exaggerate sometimes, I don't use intel to trick someone. Try to compare Jiraya when he was Minato's master and Kakashi's father. Don't also forget that Kakashi father was depressed before he commit suicide. This make him look old in the flashback. In the Limbo meeting with Kakashi, he wasn't that old.

1) You pretended to answer my question but didnt... They both named there jutsu Hiraishin... The FLYING THUNDER GOD. Your telling me this is just a coincedence? If that is what your trying to make me believe then I am done with the conversation. Dont sell me an outhouse and tell me its the taj mahal.

2) Repeat what you just said, but try to make it alot clearer and try to make it make sense. Because you say alot of things that dont seem to match together and try to make them do that. Explain how all those events you just mentioned are connected to Sakumo.

3) You say youve read the series alot... Golly Jee sir ive never read Naruto before, Ive just been pulling this stuff out of my but... We ALL read the series genius. When you see Sakumo when he is talking to Kakashi he looks old there too. Or maybe he is still depressed... or maybe he aged after he died... And you say in limbo when he met kakashi he wasnt that old... Are we talking about the same person? He Has white hair and looks atleast 50, which again would put him at the same age of Hiruzen if not older.

When you make a point, you should do just that. If you want to agree to disagree about that then that Is fine, that is how most arguments ends. If you actually want to do work, put together a nice reply showing how this event is related to that event and shows that there is no likely way that Sakumo is the same age if not older the hiruzen then have at you, I will humor the arguement. But dont reply saying your wrong and im right because I say your wrong and I am right.

 

[FearxDeath]

Also, all 3 were practitioner's of kenjutsu.

Very good point

 

[FearxDeath]

I simply wanted to bump this given the fact that we have actually found out that Tobirama did infact create FTG. Thus giving this theory far more credibility.