[Theory] The Rinnegan Was Not Yet Fully Awakened When Madara Initially Awoke It

[Waltz]

Apparently you have made mere assumption and speculation become fact for the majority. Not bashing your theories or anything but any intellectual member would disagree with you.

 

[Thundercles]

Because of his "what" lineage is the question, is it the Senju blood in his veins only? or is it the Uzumaki blood? which is probably the original bloodline of the Sage?

Probably because he is an Uzumaki.
They have large chakra reserves. Also, he was the perfect pawn.
His village was in constant war. Madara wanted a puppet.

He didn't need them matured. He needed a vessel that could handle them for safe keeping.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

i think there is a misunderstanding. if the rinnegan is given youre not directly able to use all the technique's of the eye
You have to know how to use it. Its just the eye. Not an eye the saved years of training

No it's not the learning time that is in question, it is the incubation and the maturation of the Rinnegan itself, as stated in my original post, the Rinnegan aka the Eye of Samsara was not yet fully awakened, it's not the learning curve, it the actualization of the full potentiality of the Rinnegan that is in question.

 

[Disquiet]

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Tell me what you understand by this

To me it seems that Kabuto was planning to break the infinite tsukyomi via Nagata and Itachi, somehow. Or maybe even override it without Madara's knowing. He did mention 'illusion' while showing the moon. Though this is a different topic, and am not quite sure if this is what you were trying to reference.

 

[Sot viing hun]

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That panel implies that Madara wanted Nagato to somehow progress/master the rinnegan so he could use a jutsu like Rinne Tensei, so he(Madara) could be revived and that would signal the start of the 'complete world' aka Mugen Tsukuyomi.

So it could be one of those:
-you just need to train to gain that power.
-you need to progress the eye for it to reach its full potential.(what this theory is implying)

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I'm saying you need rinnegan+sharingan to awaken the full rinnegan. Meaning the sages full power of the rinnegan exculding the body(which hashirama had), did you bother to read what itachi said i the scan i provided?

They're just going to use each of their eyes "in conjunction" with one another, it does not mean the full powers of the Rinnegan per se is dependent upon the Sharingan, that is a categorical error.

That panel implies that Madara wanted Nagato to somehow progress/master the rinnegan so he could use a jutsu like Rinne Tensei, so he(Madara) could be revived and that would signal the start of the 'complete world' aka Mugen Tsukuyomi.

So it could be one of those:
-you just need to train to gain that power.
-you need to progress the eye for it to reach its full potential.(what this theory is implying)

I think it's the latter.

 

[Chīkara]

Yes u say obito is able to use rinne tensei because nagato awoke it but i think it not going that way
Because its the same for danzo he used inzanagi with all these
Sharingan eyes without them even awoke it

 

[VongolaX]

To me it seems that Kabuto was planning to break the infinite tsukyomi via Nagata and Itachi, somehow. Or maybe even override it without Madara's knowing. He did mention 'illusion' while showing the moon. Though this is a different topic, and am not quite sure if this is what you were trying to reference.

It was stating you need both rinnegan and sharingan

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Yes u say obito is able to use rinne tensei because nagato awoke it but i think it not going that way
Because its the same for danzo he used inzanagi with all these
Sharingan eyes without them even awoke it

That is just conjecture.

It was stating you need both rinnegan and sharingan

It's not a "fusion" like a DBZ Fusion of Itachi's MS and the Rinnegan, it's "in conjunction" aka "used together" Itachi even distinguished the Rinnegan as the "Sage's" from the Mangekyo Sharingan.

 

[Sot viing hun]

Yes u say obito is able to use rinne tensei because nagato awoke it but i think it not going that way
Because its the same for danzo he used inzanagi with all these
Sharingan eyes without them even awoke it

Izanagi is an uchiha kinjutsu usable with 3 tomoe sharingan, it is not a power to be unlocked, for example he was able to use kotoamatsukami because it was Shisui's eye that unlocked that power, thats how I see it btw

 

[VongolaX]

They're just going to use each of their eyes "in conjunction" with one another, it does not mean the full powers of the Rinnegan per se is dependent upon the Sharingan, that is a categorical error.



I think it's the latter.

It's not an error but this is basically saying look at madara now. He can switch between sharingan to rinnegan, that is the sages power in terms of his eyes. Nagato only served one important purpose and that was being an uzamaki. What is an uzamaki's specialty without the sealing tech

 

[Chīkara]

This thread is too much for me

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

It's not an error but this is basically saying look at madara now. He can switch between sharingan to rinnegan, that is the sages power in terms of his eyes. Nagato only served one important purpose and that was being an uzamaki. What is an uzamaki's specialty without the sealing tech

That is false, you're saying that the "Full Power" of the Rinnegan has something to do with Madara switching from his EMS to his Rinnegan? that is baseless conjecture.

 

[VongolaX]

That is just conjecture.



It's not a "fusion" like a DBZ Fusion of Itachi's MS and the Rinnegan, it's "in conjunction" aka "used together" Itachi even distinguished the Rinnegan as the "Sage's" from the Mangekyo Sharingan.

he said the sages power, the rinnegan, and the sharingan. It's not joint like the juubi's but can be altered between each eye power

 

[Chīkara]

Izanagi is an uchiha kinjutsu usable with 3 tomoe sharingan, it is not a power to be unlocked, for example he was able to use kotoamatsukami because it was Shisui's eye that unlocked that power, thats how I see it btw

ooh then it alk make sense derp obito is right after all...

 

[VongolaX]

That is false, you're saying that the "Full Power" of the Rinnegan has something to do with Madara switching from his EMS to his Rinnegan? that is baseless conjecture.

Just stop and think. Why did they say the sage is both senju and uchiha

 

[Disquiet]

It's really clear that Madara is talking about Obito's potential to awaken his own rinnegan.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Just stop and think. Why did they say the sage is both senju and uchiha

Because the Sage was originally an Uzumaki. The Uzumaki is the original bloodline

It's really clear that Madara is talking about Obito's potential to awaken his own rinnegan.

I beg to differ.

 

[Sot viing hun]

ooh then it alk make sense derp obito is right after all...

Not saying he is right, but as far as we know you don't need to master anything with the sharingan to use izanagi, you just need a base sharingan, this is just a case of Kishimoto not explaining how one gains an ocular power, it's like the user knows how to use the power instinctively, so this may be the case for the rinne tensei jutsu of the rinnegan.

BTW I don't agree 100% with the thread

 

[Chīkara]

I think you just need sharingan +rinnegan to fully use the rinnegan abilty's thats the reason the first thing madara did
Was somethin nagato never did because he cant. We might see some more from te rjnnegan now. Not to mention madara used the PS with his rinnegan