[Theory] Ten tails host Hagoromo is close/equal/little above Kaguya Ootsutsuki

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Hello guys, I would like to talk about Prime Host Hagoromp's power based on manga statements and shown feats.
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^^ Hagoromo stated that Kaguya, his mother was stronger then everyone.

However we know that at some point Hagoromo became Host of Full Complete Ten tails:

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Kaguya was stated by Kakashi to literraly change landscape to her own whim:

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However the interesting fact is that Obito spoke something like that:

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^^ using this sword Hagoromo which Hagoromo originally created he could reshape the whole world, well doesn't it sound familliar. Of course it does just like Kaguya could do.

Another interesting fact is that Juubi as progenitor of chakra was shown like that:

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Well, doesn't it look familliar ?

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Of course it does. The ground was teared apart as chakra was absorbed by Kaguya. Another interesting fact is that Kurama stated Juubi was begining of chakra/everything as progenitor. When Madara trasformed in Kaguya the chapter was called: "Begining of everything".

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Finally in the lastest chapter, Black Zetsu said interesting stuff:
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^^ That thing didin't become Juubi under Mother's orders...

Kaguya controlling God Tree/gettting absorbed by God Tree = Juubi.

Summary: I believe Hagoromo has never considered Juubi as his own power, or rather he was as prison of Juubi then medium to use it's power.

1) JJ Hagoromo is above Kaguya if Hagoromo sealed Juubi in himself before canceling IT. It could be then:

Prime Hagoromo + Kaguya with chakra from IT

2) JJ Hagoromo was equal to Kaguya if Hagoromo sealed Juubi in himself after canceling IT. It could be then

Prime Hagoormo+ Kaguya without chakra from IT

3) JJ Hagoromo was below but close to Kaguya if Hagoromo sealed Juubi in himself after canceling IT and he rather imprisoned Juubi then used it as medium. It could be then

Prime Hagoromo + little boost from kaguya


Thanks for reading !

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No, he admitted inferiority, and he lacks the hamura factor
 

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good points, probably wouldnt have noticed it untill the series finished an i began my naruto marathon....good job +rep
 

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What about Haruma?

Do you have one on him?
 

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No, he admitted inferiority, and he lacks the hamura factor

Yeah and Kishi is known to be inconsistent, so it is nothing new.

Pre Jin Hagoromo, I agree, but JJ Hagoromo is completly another story and you understimate him.

I agree. .

Great, glad that we think alike

good points, probably wouldnt have noticed it untill the series finished an i began my naruto marathon....good job +rep

Excellent :D. Yeah I could overlook some stuff as well if it was not pointed out by someone.

Hagoromo + hamura >>>> kaguya

Truth and Indeed, but JJ Hagoromo on his own would lethaly damage and weaken kaguya, or even beat her.

What about Haruma?

Do you have one on him?

Nope, Sadly I have nothing about him.

Anyway I keep him as equal to or close to Prime none Jin Hagoromo, but he is nowhere close to JJ Hagoromo.
 

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The Juubi that Hagoromo had inside wasn't complete. Remember they took their mother's chakra and were shown to have the fruit. So I would say he is close to her at best.
 

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The Juubi that Hagoromo had inside wasn't complete. Remember they took their mother's chakra and were shown to have the fruit. So I would say he is close to her at best.

Why do you think that the Juubi Hagoromo had inside was not complete ?

I believe only Chakra from IT which Kaguya got put Kaguya above Juubi(her monster form/ or some stuff like that)
 

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The Juubi that Hagoromo had inside wasn't complete. Remember they took their mother's chakra and were shown to have the fruit. So I would say he is close to her at best.
^^^This.
Kaguya must've lost a lot of power/chakra when she gave birth to the sage bros....
 

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I think he's probably stronger than her, I mean someone with half his power is kicking her ass.
 

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^^^This.
Kaguya must've lost a lot of power/chakra when she gave birth to the sage bros....

Truth, but it is pointless to include something like that. I know that before birth Kaguya must have huge advantage of chakra amount over Hagoromo. I mean Hagoromo has no way to know how much powerfull kaguya was before he came back to life.

So I compare JJ Hagoromo to Past Kaguya after casting IT and absorbing chakra from people.

I think he's probably stronger than her, I mean someone with half his power is kicking her ass.

Well I doubt he has more raw power then her but still was close as JJ Hagoromo. However as none Jin he is still much more skilled then her.
 

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Truth, but it is pointless to include something like that. I know that before birth Kaguya must have huge advantage of chakra amount over Hagoromo. I mean Hagoromo has no way to know how much powerfull kaguya was before he came back to life.

So I compare JJ Hagoromo to Past Kaguya after casting IT and absorbing chakra from people.



Well I doubt he has more raw power then her but still was close as JJ Hagoromo. However as none Jin he is still much more skilled then her.
I guess, you're right then :)
 

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Kaguya > hagaromo

Also, 3-eyed Madara > Juubi jin hagaromo

Becoming a juubi's jin = hagaromo's power. Because for some reason the juubi's powers and hagaromo's powers are connected.
 

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Kaguya > hagaromo

Also, 3-eyed Madara > Juubi jin hagaromo

Becoming a juubi's jin = hagaromo's power. Because for some reason the juubi's powers and hagaromo's powers are connected.

Depends if 3-eyed Madara can even be called or considered Madara as it he fully was resembling Kaguya at this point... I believe Kaguya was already acting inside Madara.

Anyway Hagoromo is more skilled one, also hagoromo's Juubi had Yang Kurama as well, Madara's Juubi didn't .

JJ Hagoromo is close to Kaguya, but how close and if above or not it depends mystery until we see him in action in flashback or something.
 

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I think he's probably stronger than her, I mean someone with half his power is kicking her ass.

He doesn't have just half of his power. He has Ashura chakra, half of Hagoromo's chakra, and the nine tailed beast.

Also, Naruto only cut off her arm due to her being low on chakra.
 

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Depends if 3-eyed Madara can even be called or considered Madara as it he fully was resembling Kaguya at this point... I believe Kaguya was already acting inside Madara.

Anyway Hagoromo is more skilled one, also hagoromo's Juubi had Yang Kurama as well, Madara's Juubi didn't .

JJ Hagoromo is close to Kaguya, but how close and if above or not it depends mystery until we see him in action in flashback or something.

Doesn't matter, the fact is that was madara himself though. Otherwise no need for black zetsu to take over.

hmm there are alot more skilled people than Naruto, but are not stronger.. Also, Madara is more skilled than hagaromo in the basics..

How can he be close to Kaguya, when to attain the Sage's power you simply need to become the jinchuriki of the 10-tails and then get 2 rinnegans. Unlike for Kaguya.. where you need all of the earth's chakra.. Come on now dude.
 

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Doesn't matter, the fact is that was madara himself though. Otherwise no need for black zetsu to take over.

hmm there are alot more skilled people than Naruto, but are not stronger.. Also, Madara is more skilled than hagaromo in the basics..

How can he be close to Kaguya, when to attain the Sage's power you simply need to become the jinchuriki of the 10-tails and then get 2 rinnegans. Unlike for Kaguya.. where you need all of the earth's chakra.. Come on now dude.

I agree with everything except You don't know if Past Kaguya transformed into Juubi with IT chakra intact in her so JJ Hagoromo would be even more powerfull then kaguya or else if Kaguya transformed into Juubi without IT chakra so JJ Hagoromo would still be close but below her, the gap in Second scenario would be like: Jin Obito and Jin Madara chakrawise.
 

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He's below. Hagoromo stated it himself, no point in trying to debate manga fact. Don't know how far below, but its enough for him to admit that there is a difference in their strength.
 
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