Theory: Rise of the Senju (1 of 3 Senju theories)

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From Ashura to the Warring states era:

Ashura, the man who started the senju bloodline ( no senju clan yet), gifted by the Sage's body starts the war with his brother Indra. Leading to the Senju vs Uchiha rivalry for centuries to come. Ashura the man who had many people behind him , in my opinion also had many children.


The reason for believing he had many children is due to how diverse the Senju bloodline gets overtime (this will be explained later on). But even his little group, has a main leader after him (most likely one of his sons) and this main group stays like this and is basically lead by the son or someone related to Ashura, which over time becomes known as the Senju clan (the one that Batsuma Senju lead). While the other sons and daughters of Ashura create the side groups of the senju bloodline.

So , basically main senju group lead through the passing down of "leadership" by Ashura becomes the senju clan. While the his other sons or daughters (though it could also be their children or grand children) split up into the side groups due to quarrels and differences in beliefs.


Warring States Era (Pre-Hashirama):


As we know, ninjutsu developed overtime and became the main fighting style of Naruto-verse. This led to the rise of the 2 groups Senju (the main senju blooded group) and Uchiha, the top 2 strongest of the warring states era. Both clans are skilled evenly, and rival each other switching back and forth between who is the strongest. While the leaders stay consistently even.

So the fights between the clans go on, both sides losing their beliefs and simply engulfed in war of hatred. Taking revenge over the loss of their fallen comrades. Similarly other Senju blood related groups are also fighting each other and so on.


It is to be noted that at this time, there are MANY other groups with the senju blood in them. Not just the one that Hashirama will be born into, though that is the main "group".


Warring states era , Hashirama Senju:

Hashirama Senju, born to Batsuma Senju, takes on the role of leadership after his death. Similarly Uchiha Madara takes on the role of leadership after his father's death. Though Hashirama is superior in combat power, the clans are still near equal... until.. Hashirama Senju starts gathering all the descendants of Ashura. All of them unite under Hashirama to end the wars, except for one. And that clan is the Uzumaki clan who were settled on an island, unlike the others who are on mainland. With the unification of all the senju related groups, under THE SENJU CLAN.. the senju began to dominate the Uchiha, who then start joining the senju clan as well.

So yes even before the village, there were uchiha who joined Hashirama when they were defeated in the battles. And of course as all know later on the peace treaty occurs and Hashirama's plan to unite the entire shinobi world is set into play with the first Gokage meeting, thus officially ending the Warring States Era.


Post Hashirama's era:

The Senju clan goes back to the small groups, as there is no need for a "SENJU CLAN".. due to the Konoha village, and especially when they don't have anything "Special" like the sharingan making them unique. And as stated above they were originally different groups before united by Hashirama.

In my opinion all the little families, that do not belong to any clan.. Namikaze/Hatake/Haruno/Gai and Rock lee's families are from the side senju blood related groups.
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^^^^ they look so different from other. You can see a dude with Jiraiya's hairstyle, and then another who looks like Kakashi with different.

Hell, even the only known confirmed "senju" aka Tsunade, was never called a Senju until by Madara uchiha, who only called her a senju due to the fact she was related to the first Hokage. If she was the daughter of some other senjus, she wouldn't be known as a senju at all, because they all either went into different clans, or are the small families that aren't part of any clans.


Hence, the Konoha village right now is flowing the blood of the Senju, this was the Rise of the Senju. The blood of the senju continues, despite the "senju clan" not being there no more, instead now it is called the Village Hidden in the Leafs.



PS: Thank you for reading my noob theory.


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Asura wasn't gifted with the Sage's body, he inherited nothing from the Sage.
 

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senjus seemed to dissapear or not have any importance now. jaraiya and the others being part senju would make sense
 

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Obito was wrong, he got that explanation from Madara, who got it from the Uchiha tablet which was forged by Black Zetsu.

The Sage himself says Asura inherited nothing from him.
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Obito was wrong, he got that explanation from Madara, who got it from the Uchiha tablet which was forged by Black Zetsu.

The Sage himself says Asura inherited nothing from him.
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Continue to read further, it simply took time to bloom. The chakra the bloomed inside of him later on was the body he inherited from the Sage of the 6 paths... BZ had no reason to lie about this.

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Actually, Hatake became a clan for some reason.

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Obito was wrong, he got that explanation from Madara, who got it from the Uchiha tablet which was forged by Black Zetsu.

The Sage himself says Asura inherited nothing from him.
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Asura still inherited body chakra. You don't need prodigal skills to have the body/physical chakra.
 

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Actually, Hatake became a clan for some reason.

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Yea, just like the Haruno also had a clan symbol. :p


Remember, i said the senju blood group had different groups (clans) before united by Hashirama under the Senju clan, and then seperated or broke up the senju clan and went with their families or clans.
 

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Continue to read further, it simply took time to bloom. The chakra the bloomed inside of him later on was the body he inherited from the Sage of the 6 paths... BZ had no reason to lie about this.

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Asura still inherited body chakra. You don't need prodigal skills to have the body/physical chakra.

It's said that his own chakra bloomed, hence nothing inherited from the Sage.

He inherited the sages' strong life force. While Indra inherited a strong dojutsu.

Hagaromo outright confirms that isn't true at all.
 

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NarutoBase trolled me on that "Leave Page or Stay Page" stunt. Double posting....
 
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Yea, just like the Haruno also had a clan symbol. :p


Remember, i said the senju blood group had different groups (clans) before united by Hashirama under the Senju clan, and then seperated or broke up the senju clan and went with their families or clans.
I'm actually serious that Hatake is officially a clan. I really don't know why though. Anywho, I agree with what you said. Clans like Sarutobi and Akimichi have to come from somewhere.
 

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It's said that his own chakra bloomed, hence nothing inherited from the Sage.

there is no "his own".. its the chakra within his body bloomed, giving him the same power as his brother.. Unless you are claiming he magically got gifted from some god that rikudou doesn't know about?

Even though people call Naruto a lackey.. and rikudou was reffering to him as someone who didn't inherit their parent's potential or w.e.. the fact of the matter is Naruto has huge base chakra reserves due to the fact he has Kushina's genes.

I'm actually serious that Hatake is officially a clan. I really don't know why though. Anywho, I agree with what you said. Clans like Sarutobi and Akimichi have to come from somewhere.

Sarutobi was already a non-senju clan. They weren't under the senju clan, when Hashirama united all the Ashura blood related groups. Akimichi i'm not sure of. But Hashirama did seem to know Yamanaka clan's technique.
 
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He inherited the sages' strong life force. While Indra inherited a strong dojutsu.

there is no "his own".. its the chakra within his body bloomed, giving him the same power as his brother.. Unless you are claiming he magically got gifted from some god that rikudou doesn't know about?

Even though people call Naruto a lackey.. and rikudou was reffering to him as someone who didn't inherit their parent's potential or w.e.. the fact of the matter is Naruto has huge base chakra reserves due to the fact he has Kushina's genes.

It's right there in black and white for you to read.

-Sage confirms Asura DID NOT inherit anything from him.

-Sage says Asura's chakra bloomed, no where did he say he suddenly awakened power from his father.
 

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It's right there in black and white for you to read.

-Sage confirms Asura DID NOT inherit anything from him.

-Sage says Asura's chakra bloomed, no where did he say he suddenly awakened power from his father.

Read without taking it out of context..... the power that bloomed inside of Ashura comes from the Sage of the 6 paths.. you are clinging on to a scan that referred to the time they were born. He is comparing Indra already being born with strong powers , while Ashura not having strong powers.. and thus declared the other did not have his strong chakra genes... Only issue is, the power that Ashura has comes from the Rikudou, as does all of the KKGs like Mokuton and so on come from the Rikudou's bloodline.


Furthermore, what Rikudou said was "did not inherit my strong chakra genes"... Senju do not have Rikudou's strong chakra genes.. thats the uchiha. Senju rely on durability and having high quantity of chakra.

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So what rikudou said was right, but you are taking it out of context and saying Ashura didn't inherit anything.. but rikudou only mentioned him no inheriting what Indra inherited, and that is the strong chakra that runs in the Uchiha clan.
 
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Read without taking it out of context..... the power that bloomed inside of Ashura comes from the Sage of the 6 paths.. you are clinging on to a scan that referred to the time they were born. He is comparing Indra already being born with strong powers , while Ashura not having strong powers.. and thus declared the other did not have his strong chakra genes... Only issue is, the power that Ashura has comes from the Rikudou, as does all of the KKGs like Mokuton and so on come from the Rikudou's bloodline.

Thought this made it pretty easy. but of well i guess.
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it's clearly stated that it isn't. Your just making up whatever you want while denying what the sage said.

For the last time

From what the sage himself said, Asura inherited nothing from him.

No where did the sage say he awakened his power.
 

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Lol. Gagster trolling hard.
 

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it's clearly stated that it isn't. Your just making up whatever you want while denying what the sage said.

For the last time

From what the sage himself said, Asura inherited nothing from him.

No where did the sage say he awakened his power.
damn, i edited it too late


Furthermore, what Rikudou said was "did not inherit my strong chakra genes"... Senju do not have Rikudou's strong chakra genes.. thats the uchiha. Senju rely on durability and having high quantity of chakra.

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So what rikudou said was right, but you are taking it out of context and saying Ashura didn't inherit anything.. but rikudou only mentioned him no inheriting what Indra inherited, and that is the strong chakra that runs in the Uchiha clan.


PS: why would the sage say "my chakra bloomed inside of ashura"? lol.. Ashura doesn't have Rikudou's chakra, none of them do.. he simply has the genes for longevity and high amounts of chakra.
 
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