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As it normally goes with my theories I ask that you atleast try to read the entire thing before posting. This one may be somewhat lengthy but come on, when has 4minutes of reading every killed anyone? This is one of my better theories.
With the recent releases of the Manga we see a different side of Obito one that seemingly wants to converse with Kakashi. And during that conversation we see him state that he wasnt too upset over Rin's death or upset at Kakashi for breaking his promise as he knows it was out of his control. And his explanation of how Rin dying meant she wasnt the real Rin sounded weird to me. So then I began thinking.... Why? So get some chips, some pizza, a drink and maybe even a sammich and enjoy the read. Its a little long but I recommend you guys read it all to fully understand my points. There is nothing more annoying that repeating yourself in the comment section because someone didnt fully read your theory x__x
Did anyone else think it was strange that he attacked the village with the 9 tails? I mean if he really did harbor no grudge against them then why exactly would he give away one of the tailed beasts he has been trying to collect? Unless... he literally was trying to give it away.
If not then why didnt he just hold on to the kyubi? Why set it lose upon the village and why not come back and scoop up Naruto and steal the 9 tails from him, why wait for him to get older when he posses a far greater threat? Because he wants him too. Perhaps he convinced Zetsu that with the 9 tails being in a child they should be in no rush to get it immanently.
Has anyone ever wondered what the purpose of telling the kages what his plans was? Why would he reveal his plans to the Kages who could possibly gather a force to rival his? Why even take the chance when if left to there own devices they would never be prepared to do a thing to stop his plans? Why take that chance. Unless...
He wants them to attempt to stop his plans, he could sell this to Zetsu by claiming just to be cocky, while in actuallity he is doing whatever he can to give his opponents the advantage.
Such a crucial peace of Madara's puzzle, left to die in vain and yet Sasuke was watched like an eagle during his fight with Danzo... Is it possible that Obito had better things to be doing? Or perhaps it was all a plan to stop Madara's Plan.
Obito had already done so much to keep the plan from happening, he had allowed pain to die, kept any future Uchiha from becoming Zetsu's puppet, kept all of the tailed beasts from being collected and even warned the Shinobi Alliance of Madara's plans.
Just as everything was looking up and perhaps he had completely stopped Madara's plan from coming to fruishion a tiny little worm named Kabuto revealed that he had Madara's Edo. Not to mention that he had been spying on him enough to know his real identity, and if he knows that much then perhaps he knows what he has been planning this entire time as well... he had no choice. He must now work with Kabuto. Less he revive Madara and explain to him exactly what Obito had been up to.
But this is more importantly the most crucial part of Obito's crisis, from the start if Zetsu had ever had doubts of Obiti following the plan he could have always had Nagato revive Madara early. But with Nagato dead Obito was finally getting some headway, Madara was finally completely out of the picture, and with Kabuto's stunt he is now back in the picture. But to be completely honest If Madara knows so much about Edo to be able to undo the seal, and black zetsu is Madara's will incarnate, I dont find it too hard to believe that Zetsu could know Edo aswell. And perhaps the threat of Madara being summoned was always there. It just became more prevalent with Kabutos arrival.
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With the recent releases of the Manga we see a different side of Obito one that seemingly wants to converse with Kakashi. And during that conversation we see him state that he wasnt too upset over Rin's death or upset at Kakashi for breaking his promise as he knows it was out of his control. And his explanation of how Rin dying meant she wasnt the real Rin sounded weird to me. So then I began thinking.... Why? So get some chips, some pizza, a drink and maybe even a sammich and enjoy the read. Its a little long but I recommend you guys read it all to fully understand my points. There is nothing more annoying that repeating yourself in the comment section because someone didnt fully read your theory x__x
Why would Obito have stayed with Madara
Well Obito isnt stupid, he gets injured and then his life is saved by some mysterious old man?[
Now firstly I want to show a few things. Firstly Madara has what we in the legal world like to call privileged information [
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With this I begin to wonder just whether or not Obito realized that Madara was possibly the person behind his plan. If Madara was the type of person to kill so many people just to get a kid to go with his plan then he would undoubtable kill the kid for not following him. Besides the first thing Madara said to him was that he had a debt to pay [
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] And then a while after he recovers he see's Kakashi killing Rin rather close to where he is staying at and a Zetsu Clone just happened to be there to warn them about it? I call Shenanigans... [
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]Now firstly I want to show a few things. Firstly Madara has what we in the legal world like to call privileged information [
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]. How exactly did he know the happenings of Obito's accident. Then not soo long afterwards this happens [
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]. What a coincedence that the 2 people he cared about the most happened to be involved in such a crazy and unlikely situation in which kakashi was forced to kill Rin... Its a little too perfect. Not to mention that while all prior to this Madara ample time to set up a situation like this. (Note the different in hair lenght between [
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] the time it takes for hair to grow that long would be more than enough for Madara to set up something like that.)Now here is something else I want you to notice. Look at this [
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] this is why he supposebly came back to Madara right? [
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] But I just cant get past that scowl on his face. With this I begin to wonder just whether or not Obito realized that Madara was possibly the person behind his plan. If Madara was the type of person to kill so many people just to get a kid to go with his plan then he would undoubtable kill the kid for not following him. Besides the first thing Madara said to him was that he had a debt to pay [
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]. So with that Obito decided to stick around and see what this plan was all about, and if he could escape to the leaf or keep the plan from going through on his own.1st Problem with stopping Madara's Plan
After instructing Obito and B/W Zetsu on what to do Madara commits suicide. But things are far from over, as Obito already knows Zetsu can enter the ground and escape which would make him hard to defeat, not to mention that half of his body is currently comprised of a Zetsu Clone which would mean fighting against the plan at that point would be suicide. Leaving Black Zetsu to finish off Madara's plan without him, and thus he was left to follow the plan for a little longer.
There was only one issue with, the plan wasnt a very long one. It was basically collect the tailed beasts and befriend Nagato. And thus there was only one way left to slow Madara's plan.
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There was only one issue with, the plan wasnt a very long one. It was basically collect the tailed beasts and befriend Nagato. And thus there was only one way left to slow Madara's plan.
Obito's 1st method of slowing Madara's Plans
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Did anyone else think it was strange that he attacked the village with the 9 tails? I mean if he really did harbor no grudge against them then why exactly would he give away one of the tailed beasts he has been trying to collect? Unless... he literally was trying to give it away.
If not then why didnt he just hold on to the kyubi? Why set it lose upon the village and why not come back and scoop up Naruto and steal the 9 tails from him, why wait for him to get older when he posses a far greater threat? Because he wants him too. Perhaps he convinced Zetsu that with the 9 tails being in a child they should be in no rush to get it immanently.
Obito's 2nd Method of slowing Madara's Plan
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Has anyone ever wondered what the purpose of telling the kages what his plans was? Why would he reveal his plans to the Kages who could possibly gather a force to rival his? Why even take the chance when if left to there own devices they would never be prepared to do a thing to stop his plans? Why take that chance. Unless...
He wants them to attempt to stop his plans, he could sell this to Zetsu by claiming just to be cocky, while in actuallity he is doing whatever he can to give his opponents the advantage.
Obito's 3rd Method of slowing Madara's Plan
*This one is a bit of speculation*
Why did Obito destroy his own clan? Because 6 years prior to this he attacked the village with the Kyubi and rather than take it away he leaves it with them. Zetsu saw something strange about this and began to inquire whether or not he could be trusted.
Since anyone with Uchiha and Senju DNA could summon Gedo Obito he had to destroy his clan in order to ensure that Zetsu did not betray him in anyway. As long as he was an integral part of Madara's plan he could still work to destroy it from the inside out. Itachi killed his clan to save the village, Obito killed his clan to save the world.
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Why did Obito destroy his own clan? Because 6 years prior to this he attacked the village with the Kyubi and rather than take it away he leaves it with them. Zetsu saw something strange about this and began to inquire whether or not he could be trusted.
Since anyone with Uchiha and Senju DNA could summon Gedo Obito he had to destroy his clan in order to ensure that Zetsu did not betray him in anyway. As long as he was an integral part of Madara's plan he could still work to destroy it from the inside out. Itachi killed his clan to save the village, Obito killed his clan to save the world.
Obito's 4th Method of slowing Madara's Plan
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Such a crucial peace of Madara's puzzle, left to die in vain and yet Sasuke was watched like an eagle during his fight with Danzo... Is it possible that Obito had better things to be doing? Or perhaps it was all a plan to stop Madara's Plan.
2nd Problem with Stopping Madara's Plan
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Obito had already done so much to keep the plan from happening, he had allowed pain to die, kept any future Uchiha from becoming Zetsu's puppet, kept all of the tailed beasts from being collected and even warned the Shinobi Alliance of Madara's plans.
Just as everything was looking up and perhaps he had completely stopped Madara's plan from coming to fruishion a tiny little worm named Kabuto revealed that he had Madara's Edo. Not to mention that he had been spying on him enough to know his real identity, and if he knows that much then perhaps he knows what he has been planning this entire time as well... he had no choice. He must now work with Kabuto. Less he revive Madara and explain to him exactly what Obito had been up to.
But this is more importantly the most crucial part of Obito's crisis, from the start if Zetsu had ever had doubts of Obiti following the plan he could have always had Nagato revive Madara early. But with Nagato dead Obito was finally getting some headway, Madara was finally completely out of the picture, and with Kabuto's stunt he is now back in the picture. But to be completely honest If Madara knows so much about Edo to be able to undo the seal, and black zetsu is Madara's will incarnate, I dont find it too hard to believe that Zetsu could know Edo aswell. And perhaps the threat of Madara being summoned was always there. It just became more prevalent with Kabutos arrival.
Signs of Obito's Betreyal
Attempt to give Naruto a chance to stop the Jutsu
He crassly asks Madara to begin the jutsu. He replies that it is too risky, but notice the look on Obito's face when he asks Madara to do this.
I never planed on being your friend from the start
From the very start he didnt intend to be Madara's friend, but the thing I like most about Obito is the faces he makes. They arent emotionless and uncaring like Madara or other villians. There seems to be some kind of emotion behind his expressions, this could possibly be why is wears his mask. I mean if Kakashi is the only person who would even recognize him then it doesnt make sense to always wear a mask.
Allows Kakashi to survive
After appearing through the wall he stabs kakashi in the leg instead of going for the kill, this even prompts Kakashi to say "Why?!?" to which he replies, just shut up... Note that this was done out of view of Madara as the wall was in the way.
Discussion with Kakashi Updated
Helping Sasuke so much
The Facial Expressions of Obito
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He crassly asks Madara to begin the jutsu. He replies that it is too risky, but notice the look on Obito's face when he asks Madara to do this.
I never planed on being your friend from the start
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From the very start he didnt intend to be Madara's friend, but the thing I like most about Obito is the faces he makes. They arent emotionless and uncaring like Madara or other villians. There seems to be some kind of emotion behind his expressions, this could possibly be why is wears his mask. I mean if Kakashi is the only person who would even recognize him then it doesnt make sense to always wear a mask.
Allows Kakashi to survive
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After appearing through the wall he stabs kakashi in the leg instead of going for the kill, this even prompts Kakashi to say "Why?!?" to which he replies, just shut up... Note that this was done out of view of Madara as the wall was in the way.
Discussion with Kakashi Updated
Throughout there fight I have counted that Obito has Kamui'd or attempted to kamui Kakashi a total of 4 times. But why? Why is he so obssessed with Kamuiing kakashi? Could it be that Kakashi is the only person he can truly trust? And could it be that the Kamui realm is the only place they can have some privacy?
But the most important thing is that after him kamuiing Kakashi the first time kakashi uses Kamui to escape and come back to reality. So if we know that kakashi can escape then why bother continueing to kamui him? What good is a prison without doors?
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But the most important thing is that after him kamuiing Kakashi the first time kakashi uses Kamui to escape and come back to reality. So if we know that kakashi can escape then why bother continueing to kamui him? What good is a prison without doors?
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Helping Sasuke so much
he has helped Sasuke so much from guiding him down the path of vengence to helping him get the EMS and fueling the flames of his emotions driving him to seek out even more strength. Could this be because he is grooming another opponent to challenge Madara?
The Facial Expressions of Obito
Once again it is the faces I see Obito make at certain times that makes me question how bad he truly is. I see regret, indecision, sadness, pain, remorse. All things a villain should not have. I didnt even see these emotions in Madara when he fight his best friend Hashirama. And it is these expressions that remind me of someone, someone who was also a double agent, someone who had a heavy heart... Itachi.
These are just 2 examples of this:
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These are just 2 examples of this:
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Conclusion
I really could expound on this idea further but this thread has taken hours and I am very sleepy so I will leave it at this and reply to comment in the mourning.
With this we see that there is good reason to believe that Obito could possibly be a double agent who is infact fighting to stop Madara's plan. This idea would explain all his supposedly unexplained actions so far.
So Sleepy @__@
With this we see that there is good reason to believe that Obito could possibly be a double agent who is infact fighting to stop Madara's plan. This idea would explain all his supposedly unexplained actions so far.
So Sleepy @__@
I hope you guys enjoyed the thread, I put alot of effort into it!!!
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