[Theory] Limbo Hengoku is originaly Madara's MS ability empowered with Rikudou chakra

[ANiMUS]

^^ True, but he of couse used it against Hashirama, but Hashirama's Sage mode sensing ability was perfect counter to this.



or it was ms ability enhanced with rikudou chakra ;p
back then it didnt have enhacements.



Or he didn't have MS active at that time due to being low on chakra.



You misunderstood my thread or read it not carefully enough.

Rikudou chakra enhanced Limbo COULD ONLY BE SENSED VIA Senjutsu of six paths. - It was enhanced since Madara awoken Rinnegan. When Madara stabbed Hashirama he was already past Rinnegan awakening.

Before Rinnegan awakening Madara's limbo could be sensed with normal Sage mode, that my point.

yeah, sorry I only skimmed though and then read the summary.

 

[xxSAGExx]

I made a similar thread a while ago, just explained it a bit different. I agree though, why would Nagato and Obito not know Limbo when they were using the other paths fine. Nagato had the eyes for like 20 years and he couldn't use a jutsus weaker than Deva path? Only explanation that makes sense is for it to be MS jutsu since neither Nagato or Obito could access Madara's MS/EMS. Hashirama's DNA allowed Shisui KA's 10 year limit be lessen to a few times a day (give or take a day). We know Limbo have a certain amount of time that they can be out of Madara and a certain about of time before they can be used again so Madara's MS Limbos would be out shorter and take longer before they can be used. Plus Hashirama would heal from their attacks with his healing ability as Madara healed from the Bijuus attacks with a Hashirama's healing.

 

[Xāvî1]

I think its a rinnegan based tech since only rinnegan uses can see those clones.

 

[KCMNaruto]

I made a similar thread a while ago, just explained it a bit different. I agree though, why would Nagato and Obito not know Limbo when they were using the other paths fine. Nagato had the eyes for like 20 years and he couldn't use a jutsus weaker than Deva path? Only explanation that makes sense is for it to be MS jutsu since neither Nagato or Obito could access Madara's MS/EMS. Hashirama's DNA allowed Shisui KA's 10 year limit be lessen to a few times a day (give or take a day). We know Limbo have a certain amount of time that they can be out of Madara and a certain about of time before they can be used again so Madara's MS Limbos would be out shorter and take longer before they can be used. Plus Hashirama would heal from their attacks with his healing ability as Madara healed from the Bijuus attacks with a Hashirama's healing.

Exactly BEFORE it was enhanced via Rikudou chakra:

- damageable by strong chakra without need of Rikudou chakra
- senseable by Sage mode without need of Rikudou Senjutsu
- watchable by Rinnegan/MS(doujutsu in general maybe) without need of Rinnegan
- less durable
- less effective as before clone couldn't use Rinnegan paths techniques, just Sussano, and other normal attacks: Fire release etc.

I believe it would work like that

Also thanks for kinds words, What do you think about my idea ?

I think its a rinnegan based tech since only rinnegan uses can see those clones.

for now it was only used by Madara. Neither Obito who is Uchiha and was in possesion of Madara's Rinnegan or Nagato who isn't Uchiha with Madara's Rinnegan in possesion couldn't do that. Hagoromo as True master and first Rinnegan user was never seen in battle sadly. Until now Sasuke hasn't shown Limbo Hengoku techniques, so unless it changes it is safe to assume Limbo is just Madara's MS ability enhanced via Rikudou chakra.

 

[Xāvî1]

Exactly BEFORE it was enhanced via Rikudou chakra:

- damageable by strong chakra without need of Rikudou chakra
- senseable by Sage mode without need of Rikudou Senjutsu
- watchable by Rinnegan/MS(doujutsu in general maybe) without need of Rinnegan
- less durable
- less effective as before clone couldn't use Rinnegan paths techniques, just Sussano, and other normal attacks: Fire release etc.

I believe it would work like that

Also thanks for kinds words, What do you think about my idea ?



for now it was only used by Madara. Neither Obito who is Uchiha and was in possesion of Madara's Rinnegan or Nagato who isn't Uchiha with Madara's Rinnegan in possesion couldn't do that. Hagoromo as True master and first Rinnegan user was never seen in battle sadly. Until now Sasuke hasn't shown Limbo Hengoku techniques, so unless it changes it is safe to assume Limbo is just Madara's MS ability enhanced via Rikudou chakra.

Let me tell you one thing! nagato had madara's rinnegan! Nagato was able to use ST and bansho tenin! After that, that eye changed hands to obito and then back to madara, neither of them used that technique! Does it mean its a special tech only nagato could use! No. Now how will you explain this???

 

[KCMNaruto]

Let me tell you one thing! nagato had madara's rinnegan! Nagato was able to use ST and bansho tenin! After that, that eye changed hands to obito and then back to madara, neither of them used that technique! Does it mean its a special tech only nagato could use! No. Now how will you explain this???

Hmmm... good point, back then it was assumed as standard packet of abilities comming with each Rinnegan. Well Shinra tensei and Bansho Tenin belong to Deva Path so technically Madara, Sasuke and Sage should have it as well due to making Chibaku Tensei, but until they won't show it it is just assumption even if likely.

However Limbo was introduced as special technique used only by Madara yet. It was never classified to any Paths's powers so it is most likely Madara's unique technique.

SUMMARY: for now ST and BT are unique to Nagato, just like Limbo is to Madara. However Limbo has bigger chance to be unique as it has no connection to paths 's powers. while ST and BT are connected with Chibaku Tensei belonging to same category, so it can be unique and also it can come in standard packet of abilties.

Hope it clear up

Interesting. But I disagree

Care to elabore why do you disagree ?

That's...somewhat pretty plausible. Now that you mention the second scan, it may actually seem to be the case. A subtle hint was that Sasuke's PS was slightly altered with Rikudou's chakra, as it didn't have horns before it happened.

I may be wrong here. But I think your theory is onto something.

thank you very much , I hope it will be revealed one day.

 

[Agron92]

Before Sasukes Swap Jutsu was confirmed, i would have agreed.
But obviously every original Rinnegan user has a special Rinnegan technique

 

[KCMNaruto]

Before Sasukes Swap Jutsu was confirmed, i would have agreed.
But obviously every original Rinnegan user has a special Rinnegan technique

hmm... I doubt every Rinnegan user has special technique. Just notice Sasuke's Rinnegan contain tomoes which I would rather call Tomoe Rinnegan.

I believe each Tomoe Rinnegan has one UNIQUE abiltity or more, however all the regular rinnegan contain six paths which made Hagoromo earn title Sage of six paths. aka Senjutsu of six paths with six paths rinnegan abilities.

Do you agree with that ?

 

[Agron92]

hmm... I doubt every Rinnegan user has special technique. Just notice Sasuke's Rinnegan contain tomoes which I would rather call Tomoe Rinnegan.

I believe each Tomoe Rinnegan has one UNIQUE abiltity or more, however all the regular rinnegan contain six paths which made Hagoromo earn title Sage of six paths. aka Senjutsu of six paths with six paths rinnegan abilities.

Do you agree with that ?

Yes, it's possible that Sasuke only has this special ability because he has a special version of rinnegan. Than your theory makes sense. I doubt it, but it's possible

 

[KCMNaruto]

Anyone else like to share your pov on this ?

feel free to express your opinion I would like to read them and have nice debate with whoever disagree

 

[KCMNaruto]

Yes, it's possible that Sasuke only has this special ability because he has a special version of rinnegan. Than your theory makes sense. I doubt it, but it's possible

Yeah It seems leggit.

No if Sasuke doesn't use Limbo at all against Naruto then It will be confirmed that Limbo is only Madara's Unique jutsu and we know All rinnegan have same sets of techniques aka paths. It could only bring logical conclusion that Limbo is Madara's original MS ability

 

[Ansatsuken]

Hello guys, I would like to share with you my theory how Limbo Hengoku is originaly Madara's MS ability empowered with Rikudou chakra, here I go:

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^^ Limbo Hengoku, is unique and special ability only used by Madara so far. Of course Madara used it with Rinnegan but I will explain that it is possible his MS ability enhanced via Rikudou chakra.

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^^ Kakashi explained that Obito's eye ability was empowered with Rikudou chakra since the he has entered the war.

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^^Hagoromo explained that Madara had to mix Indra's and Ashura's chakra in himself to got Hagoromo's chakra/Rikudou's chakra which in effect make his eyeballs reacting to this special chakra showing result of Rinnegan eyes.

Now, people may be confused and wonder. If Madara had Limbo Hengoku all this time, then there is no way Hashirama would win. Well it would be true however original invisible clone of Madara was enhanced with Rikudou chakra gaining new traits/attributes as: only damageable by Rikudou chakra, only senseable with Rikudou Senjutsu.

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^^ Sasuke explains how only Rikudou chakra can harm the Limbo clone. Madara explains also that Naruto can sense it via Rikudou Senjutsu while Sasuke can see it with Rikudou chakra. Also Sasuke deciphers that Madara's invisible clone had to come back to Madara's real body in a while carrying all damages obtained by clone taking full efect on original.

This way we got one of Madara's MS ability was invisible clone able to use Madara's techniques but DAMAGEABLE(not just with Rikudou chakra), SENSEABLE(not just with Rikudou Senjutsu). Also most likely less durable and any damages he got would be obtained by Madara's himself, and earlier he didn't have Hashirama's regeneration or Juubi's regeneration.

Hashirama's perfect counter to Madara's not empotwered Limbo Hengoku:

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^^ Exactly Sage mode's sensing ability was perfect counter of Hashirama to sense and counter incomming attack of Madara's invisible clone.

Other Madara's MS ability would be seeing through all kind of clones and be able to differ original from that clones:

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^^ only Madara was specified to be able to see that, wood clones, Shadow clones Madara can differe Original from clones.

The one who fully mastered the Rinnegan, Hagoromo is about to leave so I am not sure if this is true because we just got last Rinnegan user ready to fight, so if Sasuke doesn't use Limbo then it means it was originaly Madara's MS ability enhanced with Rikudou chakra.

Summary : ​

• Limbo Hengoku was originaly Madara's MS ability of his right eye boosted with Rikudou chakra later.
• The Rinnegan is reaction of eye balls to Rikudou charka awakening, which requires Indra's and Ashura's chakra to mix.
• Rikudou chakra enhanced Madara's MS ability make it only damageable by Rikudou chakra and watchable by Rinnegan and senseable via Rikudou Senjutsu
• Anyone without Sage mode or MS/RG(doubt other doujtsu could see it) has no way to see, sense and fight that invisible clone of Madara back then.
• Madara's MS abilities: Invisible clone from right eye and seeing through shadow clones from left eye most likely(unless it was extra ability as Obito's intangibility)

Thanks for reading !

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KCM Naruto never failed to amaze me.

All hail Hagoromo.

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

I've considered that as well.

In addition, I believe those meteors were his other MS jutsu. Characters called it Madara's power, but no one knew he had Rinnegan; he didn't get it until everyonethought him dead.

 

[KCMNaruto]

I've considered that as well.

In addition, I believe those meteors were his other MS jutsu. Characters called it Madara's power, but no one knew he had Rinnegan; he didn't get it until everyonethought him dead.

What can i say
Great minds think alike

 

[Judarra]

Really late response if you know already then thats great but let me say this to those who dont catch up greatly to this part.


Limbo border jail is NOT a mangekyou ability. It is a rinnegan ability which can be only casted by the original user as in Nagato wasnt able to do it it because of 2 things. He never knew about and he wasnt the original owner of the eyes. Limbo is another world overlapping the current world like if you read, watched, or played corpse party there were several different worlds but with same charcteristics as in, if you and a friend were seperated in different worlds both of you can pass each other without even knowing each other's existence in the moment of crossing, this is impossible for MS although it can create a lapse like kamui. Rinnegan are god's eyes which can create or destroy as nagato said to konan before death. It is not a right eye ability its only because white zetsu found the right eye. If a user performs the LIMBO: BORDER JAIL jutsu, with one eye they can create only one clone, with both 2 or more. In the case of madara with both eyes it was 4 (not sure if refering to madara's 4 dead young brothers as it was told Madara was the oldest of 5). Lastly madara said to white zetsu before jumping on top of the gedo mazo's head. "Lets test out the true rinnegan technique, it will only last a second so watch carefully"