[Theory] Limbo Hengoku is originaly Madara's MS ability empowered with Rikudou chakra

[KCMNaruto]

Hello guys, I would like to share with you my theory how Limbo Hengoku is originaly Madara's MS ability empowered with Rikudou chakra, here I go:

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^^ Limbo Hengoku, is unique and special ability only used by Madara so far. Of course Madara used it with Rinnegan but I will explain that it is possible his MS ability enhanced via Rikudou chakra.

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^^ Kakashi explained that Obito's eye ability was empowered with Rikudou chakra since the he has entered the war.

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^^Hagoromo explained that Madara had to mix Indra's and Ashura's chakra in himself to got Hagoromo's chakra/Rikudou's chakra which in effect make his eyeballs reacting to this special chakra showing result of Rinnegan eyes.

Now, people may be confused and wonder. If Madara had Limbo Hengoku all this time, then there is no way Hashirama would win. Well it would be true however original invisible clone of Madara was enhanced with Rikudou chakra gaining new traits/attributes as: only damageable by Rikudou chakra, only senseable with Rikudou Senjutsu.

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^^ Sasuke explains how only Rikudou chakra can harm the Limbo clone. Madara explains also that Naruto can sense it via Rikudou Senjutsu while Sasuke can see it with Rikudou chakra. Also Sasuke deciphers that Madara's invisible clone had to come back to Madara's real body in a while carrying all damages obtained by clone taking full efect on original.

This way we got one of Madara's MS ability was invisible clone able to use Madara's techniques but DAMAGEABLE(not just with Rikudou chakra), SENSEABLE(not just with Rikudou Senjutsu). Also most likely less durable and any damages he got would be obtained by Madara's himself, and earlier he didn't have Hashirama's regeneration or Juubi's regeneration.

Hashirama's perfect counter to Madara's not empotwered Limbo Hengoku:

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^^ Exactly Sage mode's sensing ability was perfect counter of Hashirama to sense and counter incomming attack of Madara's invisible clone.

Other Madara's MS ability would be seeing through all kind of clones and be able to differ original from that clones:

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^^ only Madara was specified to be able to see that, wood clones, Shadow clones Madara can differe Original from clones.

The one who fully mastered the Rinnegan, Hagoromo is about to leave so I am not sure if this is true because we just got last Rinnegan user ready to fight, so if Sasuke doesn't use Limbo then it means it was originaly Madara's MS ability enhanced with Rikudou chakra.

Summary : ​

• Limbo Hengoku was originaly Madara's MS ability of his right eye boosted with Rikudou chakra later.
• The Rinnegan is reaction of eye balls to Rikudou charka awakening, which requires Indra's and Ashura's chakra to mix.
• Rikudou chakra enhanced Madara's MS ability make it only damageable by Rikudou chakra and watchable by Rinnegan and senseable via Rikudou Senjutsu
• Anyone without Sage mode or MS/RG(doubt other doujtsu could see it) has no way to see, sense and fight that invisible clone of Madara back then.
• Madara's MS abilities: Invisible clone from right eye and seeing through shadow clones from left eye most likely(unless it was extra ability as Obito's intangibility)

Thanks for reading !

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[Yurei]

Very nice theory;

A shame we'll probably never get a confirmation on this.

 

[Gerkak]

Interesting. But I disagree

 

[Xlad]

That's...somewhat pretty plausible. Now that you mention the second scan, it may actually seem to be the case. A subtle hint was that Sasuke's PS was slightly altered with Rikudou's chakra, as it didn't have horns before it happened.

I may be wrong here. But I think your theory is onto something.

 

[AlphaScythian]

So much effort into nothing.
Rikudou enhanced kamui is same kamui only bigger faster stronger thus madara's abilities should be same w/o it.

 

[Legendary Saiyan]

I can agree with Obito's MS was So6p chakra enchanced. Remember when he impaled Madara's chest and got a staff out of it? Makes sense ne?

 

[Prince Of Dump]

Hengoku only works with mazou.

 

[kenshin9880]

well

a thumb for TS

 

[KCMNaruto]

So much effort into nothing.
Rikudou enhanced kamui is same kamui only bigger faster stronger thus madara's abilities should be same w/o it.

@ bold part, make me laught you just stated "ONLY"

Also we don't know all enhacements. I guess cancelable or counterable Only with Rikuodu chakra would be one of other enhanements.

Also if it got faster, then well it make it more haxxed then before. Stronger ? Well it could have stronger sucking power in black hole towards which space time barrier drawn target.

Just accept it, I proved with Manga fact that since the Obito implanted Rinnegan in one of eye socket he was using Rikudu chakra enhanced Kamui not normal one as before.

Actually even before it was boosted with Senjuu DNA, so we will never know extent of normal/not enhanced Kamui.

Still Hashirama's DNA boosted Kamui or even Rikudou chakra enhanced Kamui is really hax.

I can agree with Obito's MS was So6p chakra enchanced. Remember when he impaled Madara's chest and got a staff out of it? Makes sense ne?

Yeah, but The Rinnegan alone makes user possesing Rikudou chakra even if a bit.

Hengoku only works with mazou.

Really ? then how Madara could use it after becoming Jinchurki ?

Please enlighten me

 

[Hori]

Other Madara's MS ability would be seeing through all kind of clones and be able to differ original from that clones:

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^^ only Madara was specified to be able to see that, wood clones, Shadow clones Madara can differe Original from clones.

Well About this scan Madara never saw through the wood clone.. but instead it was how he was defeated.

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[Sage konohamaru]

Nice theory

 

[KCMNaruto]

Well About this scan Madara never saw through the wood clone.. but instead it was how he was defeated.

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Notice lack of sharingan in Madara's eyes, let alone even EMS.

Hashirama played his cards well and used and changed places with wood clone when Madara was too low on chakra to use EMS. This way Hashirama's battle smartness surprassed Madara in sneaky way, but then Madara pulled fail safe in case of set up Izanagi.

I believe it was Madara's limbo clone who used Izanagi, that why we didn't see it so when it returned to Madara it affected him the same way Limbo's clone damages affect original one.

 

[Djokovic]

This would mean he never went all out against anyone... Class act
What adult take children serious. IF Im not mistaken those are the exact words he used.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have limbo if he didn't have rinnegan, his Ten Tails form limbo is likely a very heightened form of Shinra Tensei, though you may be right, that's just what I thought.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Well About this scan Madara never saw through the wood clone.. but instead it was how he was defeated.

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I think I know why, sharingan predicts movements by tracking very slight twitches in the muscles, trees don't have muscles, that's why he couldn't tell it was a wood clone, I think, again, may be wrong.

 

[ANiMUS]

But, Naruto didn't sense it here. I think that the only SM that can sense Limbo is the Rikudou's also Even with SM Hashirama still was stabbed multiple times with the chakra rods

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[KCMNaruto]

This would mean he never went all out against anyone... Class act
What adult take children serious. IF Im not mistaken those are the exact words he used.

^^ True, but he of course used it against Hashirama, but Hashirama's Sage mode sensing ability was perfect counter to this.

I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have limbo if he didn't have rinnegan, his Ten Tails form limbo is likely a very heightened form of Shinra Tensei, though you may be right, that's just what I thought.

or it was ms ability enhanced with rikudou chakra ;p
back then it didnt have enhacements.

I think I know why, sharingan predicts movements by tracking very slight twitches in the muscles, trees don't have muscles, that's why he couldn't tell it was a wood clone, I think, again, may be wrong.

Or he didn't have MS active at that time due to being low on chakra.

But, Naruto didn't sense it here. I think that the only SM that can sense Limbo is the Rikudou's also Even with SM Hashirama still was stabbed multiple times with the chakra rods

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You misunderstood my thread or read it not carefully enough.

Rikudou chakra enhanced Limbo COULD ONLY BE SENSED VIA Senjutsu of six paths. - It was enhanced since Madara awoken Rinnegan. When Madara stabbed Hashirama he was already past Rinnegan awakening.

Before Rinnegan awakening Madara's limbo could be sensed with normal Sage mode, that my point.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

^^ True, but he of couse used it against Hashirama, but Hashirama's Sage mode sensing ability was perfect counter to this.



or it was ms ability enhanced with rikudou chakra ;p
back then it didnt have enhacements.

Except Shinra Tensei is a rinnegan technique.

he didn't have MS active at that time due to being low on chakra.

Okay

 

[KCMNaruto]

Except Shinra Tensei is a rinnegan technique.


Okay

Well I forgot to mention Limbo != Shinra Tensei. Back them most of people considered Limbo Hengoku was focused Shinra tensei attack or something like that. However If my theory turn out to be true then Madara made Limbo clone back and clone got between bijuu then got shinra tensei blast.

Rest stays as I stated already

 

[KisuneUchiha]

Well About this scan Madara never saw through the wood clone.. but instead it was how he was defeated.

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His sharingan wasn't active then