Theory: Kishimoto foreshadowing Sakura development via Hashirama Senju.

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You are trying to explain this to sakura fans ? C'mon bro...

Kishi said he forgot Sakura when he was asked if he still whants Sakura to be a heroine....

Kishi said many times Sakura is a normal girl with normal parents

Kishi alreaady said you need to have a strong body to sustain sage mode " Kabuto used uzumaki dna from karin "

Even Tsunade who still has some power has no Sage Mode.... and yet they belive Sakura will get Sage Mode.... U_U

Masashi didn't say he forget her . He said she slipped his mind in the interview. Not forgot her as a heroine. Big difference.
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Kishimoto said sakura is a normal girl when he asked if sakura have dark side or she is going to be evil.

Than he said she is normal but that have nothing to do with her having new techs .
She have medical ninjutsu and super strength already so she isn't 100% normal .
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And when you say "kishi said you need to have a strong body to sustain sage mode" you mean in the manga right ? because you made it sound like he said it on interview .
The sage mode can be taught not inherited .Sakura problem for slug sage is chakra . but she could restore her chakra like ororchimaru tsunade etc

Naruto had a problem for learning sage mode with the kyubbi and everything but he found solution so can sakura .
 

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so you are saying she is senju or maybe her mother was or something i dont think so ithink she just learned from stunade as naruto learned from jman and saskue from orochimaru the sannin trained them basically and i am not a sakura hater but she is no where on the level as naruto saskue or stunade for that matter but she is a great med nin and a strong fighter above average in skill and strength. but she is not top 20 ninja never will be now all that being said she will be top 5 medical ninja living top 3 the only better being stunade kabuto and that chick that is always with the pig cant remeber her name
 

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Effort, but no.
1. This wouldn't be foreshadowing, a foreshadow is something that was mentioned all the way back, and just appeared now. Sakura is developed enough. She knows who she is. Her development was meeting sasuke again, in shippuden.
2. The fact that we have had 6-7 war chapters and Sakura was nowhere to be found has proven kishi does not care about her, she didn't even heal naruto's broken bone.
Edit: Dislocated shoulder. Coincidence doesn't mean a foreshadow.

Yes, totally, because Obito was foreshadowed in Chapter 16 [if I am correct] before everything happened.
Because that particular drawing style with the 3 panels in triangular shape when Naruto broke Zaku's mask and when he did the same with Obito isn't emphasing on the same idea that he's trying to convey.
No offence, but I really do disagree with you.
The fact that he doesn't show her and it's nowhere to be found is exactly what Kishi wants to do in raising everyone's doubts. Everyone noticed this... fans, neutrals, lovers, haters. He knows what he is doing.
But anyway, guess you're entitled to your opinion. I won't go further into details.

np.
Everything can be explained as you say but we can only comment on the likelihood for any given event. Its not too great in the instances i was highlighting. Ok let me ask you something. When you say 'linked', just what exactly do you mean? You say you don't want her to be a descendant, then what? Are you implying that she'll get to the power level of hashirama, or powers similar to him or just get stronger than she is now and this is somehow hinted at by hashirama's flashbacks?

Linked in the way of how Sakura is always there present when it comes to Hashirama. She is somewhat associated with him, but without being linked with him. I don't know exactly how to explain it to make it more clear. The only one that was associated with him was Naruto given his will of fire and ideals, however, when it comes to Hashirama as in skills he possessed as Shinobi and the techniques he had, etc, Sakura is always feature. More than Tsunade herself, even.
All I am saying is that I don't want her to be a descendant because I want her to attain those Senju-God power-like [sorry if it sounded 'too big'] but being the normal girl that she is. All done on her own back, her own studying, her own hard-work type of thing, you know?
Not for her to get Senju powers because she is a far-away descendant, like it is with the Uzumakis. At least, that's what I'd pick.
What I mean, that all those flashbacks we are shown now, resemble a lot in certain situations Sakura's character or the relationship she had with Ino as kids. Also, the fact that those flashbacks are so similar, in a way, with Sakura's past and then, not only the similarity, but her symbol is featured makes me believe that via the Hashirama flashbacks, we are getting an idea of the potential power-ups Sakura will receive. That of course implies she'll get stronger.
Hope I made myself clear. ^_^
Gah, so hard to explain when it's not your native language, heh. ^^'

It was canonically stated that the gedo mazo is the empty shell of the juubi that madara summoned from the moon when he awoke the rinnegan. There's no uzumaki link there. Full stop. I call a spade a spade and i don't cling onto outdated beliefs that have nothing to back them up. Nonetheless, if you'd like you can see the thread that i made:

That^ pretty much convinced me not to read too much into symbols drawn at random places in the manga. More often than not it does'nt mean anything. As you can see the thread was made a year ago but has been disproven by subsequent events in the manga.

Well about the zetsu thing who else would it be? She's the only medic ninja who was even capable of trouncing a white zetsu so its quite logical for her to have been the one to figure it out.
Still, good effort on the thread.
I wouldnt be surprised , youre a mod now after all.

I will check your thread. And as I said, I do believe it's a link because I do believe that the Sage was an Uzumaki and those chains appear because they are quite similar to those chains Kushina used to restrain the Fox, back in the chapters. Like I said, I'd recommend to you Derp Obito.
He had given much more insight in this matter than I did.
About Zetsu...who else would it be...well, if you think at it, any other medic or any other cast that could've tricked him. Yet it was Sakura.
If she wouldn't have had nothing to do with it, anyone else could've been featured there. :) So why have her? :)
But thanks anyway!
And sorry, but I don't get the mod thing, I am afraid I don't understand what you were trying to say... ^^'

Yup just like how Kishimoto foreshadowed Sakuras genjutsu prowess and supreme chakra control back in part 1, lol if Kishimoto does not follow on with respect to her character from far more explicit cases, do you honestly believe hes going to do so from a subtle one as this? Sakura, and also Kakashi although to a lesser extent, stopped being main characters some time after the Gaara rescue arc. Ever since the Pain arc, this manga has two main characters who actually have a role in the overall plot of the manga and they are Naruto and Sasuke.

Well, supreme chakra control had its purpose. For medical skills and chakra enhanced strength. Which, the second, happens to be known only by Hashirama, Tsunade and herself. Coincidence much? So yes, the part with supreme chakra control was covered. It only remains the genjutsu one and the manga is still not done.
Actually, Kishi does do that. He had developed her properly and in-character, not out-of-character like I've seen some cases. But because she wasn't that power-house type, people think that she's left behind. She's not. But I won't go in-depth with that here, to be honest.
Not the time and I don't have the time either. I'd argue as well that part with the Pein Arc, but meh, to each his own.
It's easier to think this way because we're reading the chapters week by week, though they're meant to be read volume by volume.
You'd see how your perception changes then. But, anyway...

The only arc of the manga that Sakura actually did have relevance to was the team 7 subplot and Kishimoto literally retconned her out of that in the kage summit arc wherein she put herself in the kitchen ("the only thing I can do is believe in them"). If she isnt going to play a part in that she certainly isnt going to be relevant to the Senju/Uchiha subplot.

Actually, that is the plot itself, that's why there she was used as a plot-device, because that plot isn't yet over. But I bet you have your own believes regarding that so I guess in the end it's better to end it here and agree to disagree. :)
 
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Masashi didn't say he forget her . He said she slipped his mind in the interview. Not forgot her as a heroine. Big difference.
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Kishimoto said sakura is a normal girl when he asked if sakura have dark side or she is going to be evil.

Than he said she is normal but that have nothing to do with her having new techs .
She have medical ninjutsu and super strength already so she isn't 100% normal .
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And when you say "kishi said you need to have a strong body to sustain sage mode" you mean in the manga right ? because you made it sound like he said it on interview .
The sage mode can be taught not inherited .Sakura problem for slug sage is chakra . but she could restore her chakra like ororchimaru , tsunade etc

Naruto had a problem for learning sage mode with the kyubbi and everything but he found solution so can sakura .

God i hate when people belive in something that is pure denial or its not canon... and slug sage ? LOL

Also like Orochimaru and tsunade ?

Kishi alreaady said you need to have a strong body to sustain sage mode " Kabuto used uzumaki dna from karin "

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Kabuto had uzumaki dna from karin to sustain sage mode
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PS: naruto problem is with the toad fusing , it was a problem to fuse with the toads so that the toads could gather nature energy and help him out like they did with jiraya
 
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Honestly, this is the best thread i seen in months ..

We all know Kishi is going to develop Sakura after the war arc, but I thought she was going to get Slug Sage mode or something along those lines, but this thread changed my mind. Kishi doesn't draw things for shits and giggles...everything correlates. I think we should all prepare for the revelation of Sakuras lineage in the next arc. In fact i think the next arc may be all about lineage in general. Uzumaki, Uchiha, Senju, So6P descendants ... Kakashi being related to Tobirama.

everyone should ***** this man...base needs more threads like these rather than the usual fanboy threads.
 

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so you are saying she is senju or maybe her mother was or something i dont think so ithink she just learned from stunade as naruto learned from jman and saskue from orochimaru the sannin trained them basically and i am not a sakura hater but she is no where on the level as naruto saskue or stunade for that matter but she is a great med nin and a strong fighter above average in skill and strength. but she is not top 20 ninja never will be now all that being said she will be top 5 medical ninja living top 3 the only better being stunade kabuto and that chick that is always with the pig cant remeber her name

Chatte said it like million time she doesn't think sakura is related to hashirama by blood .

Sakura might have the ability to heal herself without seals like hashirama and her teacher they all healers

and hashirama healed himself when he used the sage art . And from ninja animals who does heal ? it's slugs sakura is related to slugs ( Masashi draw slugs with sakura before on the manga covers )
 

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Chatte said it like million time she doesn't think sakura is related to hashirama by blood .

Sakura might have the ability to heal herself without seals like hashirama and her teacher they all healers

and hashirama healed himself when he used the sage art . And from ninja animals who does heal ? it's slugs sakura is related to slugs ( Masashi draw slugs with sakura before on the manga covers )

where did hashirama heal with his sage mode ? What ?

Hashirama enters sage mode his hands are close to his mouth and chin
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Next page hashirama is still there , no healing there are even some little scratches on his forehead

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Note: Those are his fingers that are close to his chin
 

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God I'm loosing track with replies... Give me a little break here, lol!
Anyway, don't mind me, keep discussing, I'll be able to catch-up in the end. :p
 

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She knows a lot simply because she was shown to be very studious. Would it be hard to believe that she came upon Hashirama during her studies? I don't think so.

She does need a power-up, but I don't think there's a connection between the two. Although I have to admit that the circle symbol for the Haruno clan does look like Hashirama's SM forehead symbol.
 

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She knows a lot simply because she was shown to be very studious. Would it be hard to believe that she came upon Hashirama during her studies? I don't think so.

She does need a power-up, but I don't think there's a connection between the two. Although I have to admit that the circle symbol for the Haruno clan does look like Hashirama's SM forehead symbol.

Of course it wouldn't be hard. It wouldn't be hard based on this that she practiced a lot too, to get to those levels, as well.
I mean, now I remembered, back in the Tenchi bridge, she did asked Yamato to teach her the binding technique of Hashirama's.
So if she presented interest in knowing a Hashirama technique, maybe in the end she will get it.
Then it seemed like nothing, but now, it becomes more and more interesting.
At least to me.

Anyway, have to go for now, will come back later for discussions. :)
 

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But if sakura woud get such a huge power up she woud even surpass the two other main charackters naruto and sasuke for sure in terms of power
 

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Linked in the way of how Sakura is always there present when it comes to Hashirama. She is somewhat associated with him, but without being linked with him. I don't know exactly how to explain it to make it more clear. The only one that was associated with him was Naruto given his will of fire and ideals, however, when it comes to Hashirama as in skills he possessed as Shinobi and the techniques he had, etc, Sakura is always feature. More than Tsunade herself, even.
All I am saying is that I don't want her to be a descendant because I want her to attain those Senju-God power-like [sorry if it sounded 'too big'] but being the normal girl that she is. All done on her own back, her own studying, her own hard-work type of thing, you know?
Not for her to get Senju powers because she is a far-away descendant, like it is with the Uzumakis. At least, that's what I'd pick.
What I mean, that all those flashbacks we are shown now, resemble a lot in certain situations Sakura's character or the relationship she had with Ino as kids. Also, the fact that those flashbacks are so similar, in a way, with Sakura's past and then, not only the similarity, but her symbol is featured makes me believe that via the Hashirama flashbacks, we are getting an idea of the potential power-ups Sakura will receive. That of course implies she'll get stronger.
Hope I made myself clear. ^_^
Gah, so hard to explain when it's not your native language, heh. ^^'



I will check your thread. And as I said, I do believe it's a link because I do believe that the Sage was an Uzumaki and those chains appear because they are quite similar to those chains Kushina used to restrain the Fox, back in the chapters. Like I said, I'd recommend to you Derp Obito.
He had given much more insight in this matter than I did.
About Zetsu...who else would it be...well, if you think at it, any other medic or any other cast that could've tricked him. Yet it was Sakura.
If she wouldn't have had nothing to do with it, anyone else could've been featured there. :) So why have her? :)
But thanks anyway!
And sorry, but I don't get the mod thing, I am afraid I don't understand what you were trying to say... ^^'

^Bolded, no offense, but i'm willing to bet real money that Sakura will not get powers anywhere near the level that Hashirama has right now. Having said that, in my eyes real power need not be about giant jutsu and what not(my fav character is minato lol) but the ability to do the right thing,to be able to do what needs to be done w.o flinching and not being afraid to put yourself in the line of fire. If she does that then that progress would be far greater as a show of character than mere jutsu mastery to my mind. :)

Do check out the thread. Anyone who uses sound logic in a thread is someone i'd applaud, does'nt really matter who. What i meant was i'm sure you are busy since you are a mod after all.
 

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WTF did i just read!So people now feeling sorry for her and starting to believe she somehow will get powerful plz this is total bullshit sakura will not do anything epic shes just a folder now sorry,Face the facts kishi doesnt need her anymore.
 

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WTF did i just read!So people now feeling sorry for her and starting to believe she somehow will get powerful plz this is total bullshit sakura will not do anything epic shes just a folder now sorry,Face the facts kishi doesnt need her anymore.

No one is feeling sorry for her, this is a discussion about her possible power-ups. Nobody said this is 100% going to happen. Also if you don't like her, leave, don't hate, it's immature. Some people here want to have a nice debate.
 

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i owned this thread in 4 posts :)) even chatte could not argue and that other girl....

i miss the old days , where are the smart guys like aze , imperius , MiKuNaru and that girl kirin

i miss the smart people , it used to be alot of good threads now is just bashing , hate , wank threads , and the worst of all people who dont read the damn manga

i now remember why i left NB

for the new guys search this names , those are some legends of NB
 

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No one is feeling sorry for her, this is a discussion about her possible power-ups. Nobody said this is 100% going to happen. Also if you don't like her, leave, don't hate, it's immature. Some people here want to have a nice debate.
who said i dont like her ?and i am not hating just saying facts.
 

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No one is feeling sorry for her, this is a discussion about her possible power-ups. Nobody said this is 100% going to happen. Also if you don't like her, leave, don't hate, it's immature. Some people here want to have a nice debate.

debate ? you gotta be kidding me even the OP did not reply with the posts that i show proof to her nonsense
 

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Well you look faaar too much into it, for example pairing Yamato with Sakura while Sai with Naruto. Yamato couldnt allow the only medic ninja to die...

I could eventually agree that Sakura is a candidate for learning this third Sage Mode but unfortunately there is no more time for training since the final battle is ongoing right now, so Soorry dude...
 

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God i hate when people belive in something that is pure denial or its not canon... and slug sage ? LOL

Also like Orochimaru and tsunade ?

Kishi alreaady said you need to have a strong body to sustain sage mode " Kabuto used uzumaki dna from karin "

Need the right body
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Kabuto had uzumaki dna from karin to sustain sage mode
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PS: naruto problem is with the toad fusing , it was a problem to fuse with the toads so that the toads could gather nature energy and help him out like they did with jiraya

This is all theories here no need for you to be pissed off . for the slug sage mode is also a theory
hashirama used sage art or sage mode right ? hashirama have the ability to heal him self .

Who in the ninja animals are healers ? they are slugs

Plus mount myōboku \ ryūchi cave. Toads \ snakes it would be strange if the third place isn't for slugs
since it always snakes\ slugs\toads



If you search about slugs you will know that they only live in humid forests or damp places .

the third place shikkotsu forest( 湿骨林 Shikkotsurin) mean Damp Forest
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Kishi alreaady said you need to have a strong body to sustain sage mode " Kabuto used uzumaki dna from karin

And when did i say it's not . I said kishi mentioned it in the manga and you made it sound like he said it on an interview .

plus having the right body is for snake \dragon sage mode we don't know about the other like i said it's only a theory .
 
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