Theory: Kishimoto foreshadowing Sakura development via Hashirama Senju.

[Carlhens]

You did a great job on connecting the dots kishi left

 

[Chatte]

You did a great job on connecting the dots kishi left

Exactly! Thanks for finding a term to what I am trying to do here. Connecting some dots... or call it simply trying to resolve a puzzle.
In a puzzle, you have to link similar drawing types and shapes. Same here.
Thanks a lot!

 

[AnimusOra]

I dont mind at all brainstorming with you it will be fun an insightful. I also did notice the similarity between the punches and now that you mention it the characteristics of both Hashirama and Madara are almost the same as Ino and Sakuras as children.

 

[Chatte]

I dont mind at all brainstorming with you it will be fun an insightful. I also did notice the similarity between the punches and now that you mention it the characteristics of both Hashirama and Madara are almost the same as Ino and Sakuras as children.

Exactly. They meet in a place they used to hang out. Same as Ino and Sakura.
The personalities match here and there with Hashirama being emotional and insecure here and there and Madara being the one giving him more or less confidence. Same as Sakura and Ino.
Same rivalry in strength as Sakura and Ino, besides the obvious Naruto and Sasuke.
Aaaah, where is Melanee!?

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

After my previous

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and the

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, I finally saw two patterns connecting each other, more or less.
It might be true, it might be not, but Kishi never does something without a reason. I know, you'll refuse to see it, because we're talking Sakura here and it's cool to hate on her, but I am here to talk to the ones I can have a discussion with.
Before saying no, it's not possible, it's just a drawing, I think you need to think not twice, but trice about it. How many of us knew back in the beginning that Naruto was part of one of the most powerful and feared clans? None. You'd say, but he's the protagonist, that's why! Well, like it or not, people, she's also a protagonist. Deal with it, really.
Now, let's get down to business.
In my previous thread containing the theory about possible character development for Sakura, I spoke about how she is, in a way or another associated/linked with Hashirama Senju. She is more or less present when something related to Shodai appears, that's why it lead me to believe that what we're seeing now, some details regarding Hashirama are foreshadowings that will lead to Sakura's development.
So, let me speak more about it in order to make myself understood better.
When I saw the latest chapters, a short thing bumped in my head.

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These are similarities that you can't get past. Or, you can, given we're talking Sakura...
But let me continue... I have seen some particularities in Sakura's character that remind me of Hashirama or, you could say, the viceversa. Particularities in Hashirama's character that reminded me of Sakura. But let us begin...

Remember when she was young, Sakura alwasy had this position she used to stay and cry. Kishi has drew Hashirama the same way in the latest chapter. Both Hashirama and Sakura have similar drawing style. And usually when Kishi wants to emphasize on something, he draws the characters similar.
So, here is Sakura:

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And, here is Hashirama:

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And as a proof, we have for example of Naruto, Yahiko, Nagato and Obito that have that similar big smile.

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Nagato's smile is from one of the panels of the extra pages included in the tankobon release of chapter 448.

As well, we have Hashirama being quite emotional and insecure (more or less) "cry-baby" as well, in the latest panels, remembering us about Sakura back in her childhood years.

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Now, getting past these association in personality, let's get to the idea I'm trying to make here.
Ever since the latest chapters appear, in my opinion, Hashirama foreshadows, as I said, possible upgrade for Sakura. In my previous theory, I explained you how she was more or less associated with Hashirama via Tsunade. Well, now, it's not only via Tsunade in my opinion.
Let me explain how.
Remember as I told you that back in part 1, Sakura made a big deal out of her forehead.

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Then, while Tsunade commented that Naruto is like a second Jiraiya, he commented that she, Tsunade, has raised another version of herself.

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Now, as I said back then, Kishi put an emphasis on the forehead via Tsunade's Yin Seal.

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Hundreds of chapters later, when Hashirama appears, guess what... his Sage Mode marking appears nowhere else but...exactly! On the forehead!

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Now, you would say that it's nothing... but remember my previous thread about how Sakura's Haruno symbol is similar to Naruto's one from the belly and arms?
Well, it's not only similar to that, but it's more similar to Hashirama's circle on the forehead.

Remember this?

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You may say it was coincidence, but I say it's not. Why? Because Kishi planned this symbol long time ago in his character design book:

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If you haven't picked it up, let me make it more clear...

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It's the exact symbol on Hashirama's forehead. You may say you don't believe it has a relevance... but let's think ... Why the same sign? Why on the forehead, which has been a big deal for Sakura back in the days? Why has she always been, in a way or another, associated with Hashirama? Why out of the newest generation she's the one to know about mokuton ninjutsu, a secret technique of Shodai's?
As I said in the previous theory regarding her development...

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Why her being the one knowing this back then?

Why her being paired with Yamato, in the mission they had?

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As well, later in the series, in this war... Why her being the one discovering the Zetsu, which is made from Hashirama, as we all know?

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Why showing her discovering data about Zetsus and coming to the conclusion they're made from Hashirama, being once again, somewhat associated with him?

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Why whenever it's something about Hashirama, almost every time Sakura is there? You might've said that it's all coincidence up till now, however, why have on his forehead, something important in Sakura's character, a symbol that is the same with the Haruno symbol. Be it coincidence? Or not?
You know as they say... There is no coincidence! And talking about Kishi, who, when trying to foreshadow something, convey a message, has similar drawing style for multiple characters, I say something is up there for Sakura. Is up to you to see it or not...

Anyway, if anyone has anything to add, feel free! But remember, discuss it nice and polite. I don't need trolls or people who dislike her. If you dislike her, simply, don't come into this thread. Avoid it.
Thank you!

LE: As well, why have her forehead thing drawn exactly like the Senjus used to have it back in the first picture with "Kishi what are you trying to pull" ?
Naruto's and Sasuke's are drawn differently, while Sakura's is drawn exactly like the Senju ones. Why?

Also, to make it clear, I am not saying she will be a Senju or something like this. What I am saying is that even if she is a normal girl, she might get to Senju-like powers, despite being a normal girl. Now that would be an excellent example of hard work and morale that even if you're not part of a clan, you can still be powerful. Minato Namikaze, anyone? ​

Effort, but no.
1. This wouldn't be foreshadowing, a foreshadow is something that was mentioned all the way back, and just appeared now. Sakura is developed enough. She knows who she is. Her development was meeting sasuke again, in shippuden.
2. The fact that we have had 6-7 war chapters and Sakura was nowhere to be found has proven kishi does not care about her, she didn't even heal naruto's broken bone.
Edit: Dislocated shoulder. Coincidence doesn't mean a foreshadow.

 

[NarutoKage2]

You might wanna keep this nice and polite if you still want to discuss the matter.
LE: Incoming long post of multiquotes, lol.





First of all, thanks.
Second of all, I know that everything can be explained otherwise, however, as I said, Kishi could've put any other character there. I am not saying she is a descendant of Hashirama or anything like this, I don't want her to be one. What I was saying is that she was always linked, one way or another with Shodai. As for Jiraiya and Rikudo Sennin, I can stretch that to explain why there is a link, why I think there is a link, but that doesn't mean he is related to him.
I know the Gedo Mazo's signs but unlike you, I do still think it has something to do with the Uzumakis. You shouldn't have abandoned that idea in my opinion. I'd recommend some of Derp Obito's theories. Really nice put and thought.
The connection with Sakura is not a connection as in blood relate, as I said. It's how, in my opinion, she could get to those levels without being a Senju by nature. And the fact that both are put on the forehead which is a big emphasis on Sakura's character, to me, at least, seeing Kishi's patterns it is a big deal. Of course, to others can mean nothing. And of course that in the end might be nothing. As I said in the thread, I could be wrong. But until proven wrong, it is in my right to at least believe something's there. And the basis I made all this is by following Kishi's patterns.
My idea behind finding Zetsu was why her. It could've been any other character, yet it was her, once more associating her one way or another to Hashi, more or less.
But anyway, as you said, as I said, we shall wait and see. ^_^
Sorry I don't have time to debate more about this, my time is really gotten short, lol.

np.
Everything can be explained as you say but we can only comment on the likelihood for any given event. Its not too great in the instances i was highlighting. Ok let me ask you something. When you say 'linked', just what exactly do you mean? You say you don't want her to be a descendant, then what? Are you implying that she'll get to the power level of hashirama, or powers similar to him or just get stronger than she is now and this is somehow hinted at by hashirama's flashbacks?

It was canonically stated that the gedo mazo is the empty shell of the juubi that madara summoned from the moon when he awoke the rinnegan. There's no uzumaki link there. Full stop. I call a spade a spade and i don't cling onto outdated beliefs that have nothing to back them up. Nonetheless, if you'd like you can see the thread that i made:

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That^ pretty much convinced me not to read too much into symbols drawn at random places in the manga. More often than not it does'nt mean anything. As you can see the thread was made a year ago but has been disproven by subsequent events in the manga.

Well about the zetsu thing who else would it be? She's the only medic ninja who was even capable of trouncing a white zetsu so its quite logical for her to have been the one to figure it out.
Still, good effort on the thread.
I wouldnt be surprised , youre a mod now after all.

 

[AnimusOra]

Exactly. They meet in a place they used to hang out. Same as Ino and Sakura.
The personalities match here and there with Hashirama being emotional and insecure here and there and Madara being the one giving him more or less confidence. Same as Sakura and Ino.
Same rivalry in strength as Sakura and Ino, besides the obvious Naruto and Sasuke.
Aaaah, where is Melanee!?

That is an excelent question i thought she would be in here by now. I can see a slight relevance to Naruto and Sasuke but I just read the *********** translation and their relationship still leans more to Sakuras and Ino's. Im still laughing at the whole peeing scene.

 

[Prometheus Beta]

Yup just like how Kishimoto foreshadowed Sakuras genjutsu prowess and supreme chakra control back in part 1, lol if Kishimoto does not follow on with respect to her character from far more explicit cases, do you honestly believe hes going to do so from a subtle one as this? Sakura, and also Kakashi although to a lesser extent, stopped being main characters some time after the Gaara rescue arc. Ever since the Pain arc, this manga has two main characters who actually have a role in the overall plot of the manga and they are Naruto and Sasuke.

The only arc of the manga that Sakura actually did have relevance to was the team 7 subplot and Kishimoto literally retconned her out of that in the kage summit arc wherein she put herself in the kitchen ("the only thing I can do is believe in them"). If she isnt going to play a part in that she certainly isnt going to be relevant to the Senju/Uchiha subplot.

 

[AnimusOra]

Effort, but no.
1. This wouldn't be foreshadowing, a foreshadow is something that was mentioned all the way back, and just appeared now. Sakura is developed enough. She knows who she is. Her development was meeting sasuke again, in shippuden.
2. The fact that we have had 6-7 war chapters and Sakura was nowhere to be found has proven kishi does not care about her, she didn't even heal naruto's broken bone.
Edit: Dislocated shoulder. Coincidence doesn't mean a foreshadow.

Kishi is all about foreshadowing and leaving hints in the manga. Look at Itachi, Sasuke and especially Obito. They are all incedents that were foreshadowed so it means the same will continue with Sakura.

 

[sage1999]

well, sakura is more book-like, so u cant really base tht since she knows about mokuton, she is related 2 him. Second, sakura has nowhere near the reserves hashi has. Third, hashi was powerful in his youth(so was tsunade), sakura was still a crybaby. Fourth, sakura has no special talent. So u cant really say. However, I do agree with u about the circle thingy

 

[Chatte]

That is an excelent question i thought she would be in here by now. I can see a slight relevance to Naruto and Sasuke but I just read the *********** translation and their relationship still leans more to Sakuras and Ino's. Im still laughing at the whole peeing scene.

Checking it now
Talking about looks and styles... where have I seen this before?

Editing the other quotes soon. ^^'

 

[alexu9696]

Continuing with the multi-posts... There are already a lot in the previous post and I'm starting to have glitches, lol.
So...



Thanks, dear. Well, let's hope for the best, however, I tell you that, haters won't shut their mouth. They'll start complaining about how Kishi is ruining the manga, lol. Oh, and how he is taking some, excuse my language, ass-pulls, though everything will be explained one way or another. Wanna bet?



Lol, sorry for the spoilers. I wanted to keep it more clean! ^_^
Well, about that...dunno, that's Kishi's job, lol!



Yes happening, yes, porque no esta bueno, ey?



Yes she is. Does that mean she won't become awesome?
We shall see about the symbol.



I had 4 threads before the pink color, none was deleted. You were trying to say?....
Fine, disagree. Bye!



Sure, keep telling yourself that. I won't even bother to contradict you, given you're history as you know who and what.
But hey, whatever makes you happy.



Didn't I make myself clear about leaving the thread if you don't like what we're discussing?
This is my last call.
Kishi didn't say any of that, yet you continue to misinform people.
Nice game you got there.
As I said, final call.






Congratulations to both of you, you missed the other 70% of her importance in the story and character development.
Want a prize for it?



Hmmmmmmmm, interesting find there. And with what I found on the

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about flowers and genjutsu, this might have something to do with it.



Ok, let me make it clear once more. I am not saying she is related. I am saying she is associated many times throughout the manga with Shodai, one way or another. I know they're not blood related or anything like that.
Now... about her chakra, how can you say it's lame and insignificant if you contradict yourself with your next statement regarding the fact she uses it to heal, like other medical ninjas. By default, her chakra is not lame. One.
And two, besides Tsunade, she is the only one able to use her chakra to enhance her strength. Besides Tsunade, she is the only one who can do it.
If her chakra wouldn't have been that special, why the other medical ninjas in this universe aren't able to have that strength? Why all the cast doesn't enhance their strength? Have you ever wondered why she is the only one? If not, start asking yourself now! [lol, this sounds like a commercial].
I know about her clothes, yet, Kishi made it clear on that specific page. Have you noticed that the Uchiha symbol sometimes isn't half filled, sometimes it is? Differences can be made. That circle in the middle might as well represent concentration of some sort. And given what I read somewhere long time ago, it can be, let's say, a final form of her symbol, to say it like this. Similar to how on they form on Hashirama.
As for the last part of your argument, I'd rather not comment on that. Did it sooo many times before that it has gotten tiresome, really.
All I am saying is that it's Kishi's manga, wether we like how he does things or not, in the end, it is his manga.



As I said, not related. Associated! Two different things. Now if Kishi decides to make her related like he did with the Uzumaki, now...that's another thing, not my business.
But I doubt he will...but meh, who knows...



Thanks!
Well, I am about to bring other details to support it even better. The newest chapter just enforces my idea.
Pivotal character she is already. And I am sure she'll play a part soon enough.
Don't thank me, I thank you!



Well, let's call Tsunade the link for the association. Like I said, I believe that it will only have to do with the medical abilities, that's it.



Thanks, dear, glad you liked it! ^_^
Well, what can I say, nice catch you had there. Never thought at this though I made all those connections, haha.
As I previously said, 2 brains is better than one.
And, yes, we will see in the end.



We should do more research together, lol.
And, yes yes and yes as I already told you. That was exactly in my mind when I saw that thing. As well, besides that, how they both punched each other. Kishi drew the scenes almost exactly the same in the fight Sakura had with Ino.
I'll soon write about this as well, to show once again, substantial evidence for my theory.



Oh, dear... thanks, I guess.
I will edit this later with everything I have to respond in regards to this. It needs a proper answer.

You dare call me a liar ???

I have proof and you know it !

Here is the interview when Kishi said he forgot about sakura in 2012 !!

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Kishi said many times Sakura is a normal girl with normal parents

You said that even in a reply to me and in severeal OP and now you counter you own words ?

This are your own words and i am to lazy to search the inteview when kishi said she was a normal girl with normal parents

Of course it doesn't mean she's part Senju. I don't even want her to be. Just to attain a Senju-like power but being the normal girl that she is. That would be bad-ass.
Kishi said she has no dark past and that yes, she is normal, but that doesn't mean she cannot reach those levels.

You call youself a mod and you say i lie when you are the one lying people ?

Kishi alreaady said you need to have a strong body to sustain sage mode " Kabuto used uzumaki dna from karin "

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Kabuto had uzumaki dna from karin to sustain sage mode

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[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Kishimoto said in the shonen jump festival back in december that there would be a "God's Seat" development in 2013, someone pointed out to me that it was a mistranslation of Sakura (which means God's Seat when translated directly) so this is possibly it, good work! xd

 

[AnimusOra]

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Talking about looks and styles... where have I seen this before?

Editing the other quotes soon. ^^'

Haha yeah that was really funny as well. Also if you think about it, Ino and Sakura had a relationship with flowers and using them for life scenarios and Hashi and Madara are using stones. I dont know if that is anything but he is hinting the stone thing to be very fundamental it seems

 

[chopsticks10]

If this is true, Kishi can give her Wood style. Earth for strength and water for healing. Yamato can teach her. The bonus is that she has great chakra control. She was originally going to be a genjutsu user.

 

[senjumahe]

Nice theory, although i dnt think sakura is senju or gona hv mokuton or sage mode, but i think as hashi has good medical ninjutsu i.e self healing & that op genjutsu -bringer of darkness, i think she will most likely get something close to this two as she is a medical ninja and kakashi said her genjutsu potential is good. and kishi never showed her illusion skills yet!

 

[ForbiddenUzumaki]

I agree that they are many similarities that can't be denied and claimed to be coincidences.
But I believe you overlooked some points.
Hashi info
1)Sakura was Tsunade's apprentice for 3 years and she was really close to her.She has admitted that she was reading/searching (secretly) documents that Tsunade had, to find more about Orochimaru and Sasuke.Uchiha's were always connected to the Senju's in a way so she might bumped into info about the Senju clan there.
2)Hashirama was know for his medical ninjutsu techs and Sakura is a medical nin so they may have been references about him in books (we all know Sakura reads too much).
3)She admitted she spent a lot of time with Tsunade,not only in medical ninjutsu training, so σhe could always gained info from Hashirama's abilities from her.
Senju abilities
Kakashi stated on part1 that even though her chakra control abilities are incredible she didn't have big chakra reserves like Naruto or Sasuke.He also said that her stamina was not near the levels of those two.
Now from what we've seen Senju's had incredible chakra reserves.Hashirama used many OP techniques before going into SM,Tobirama was know to be able to create big and powerful suiton jutsus even were there was no water source and Tsunade has shown to have big chakra reserves before even releasing her Yin seal.
Finally Senju's are know for their strong bodies and their strong life force.I don't think Sakura ever showed great durability.
So I believe that if Sakura get's a power up it will be something in the similar level of Tsunade and I really don't see many connecting parts with her and the Senju's.
I really disagree to the personality part,but that's mostly on how somebody is perceiving a character so I am not going to expand more on that.

/thread xd

 

[Aominecchi]

We have to wait and see but i don't see how Sakura could link to Hashi i mean if she was linked to him that would mean Tsunade would have said something.....
I dunno we hve to wait and see

 

[F6FireStorm]

I think she's tsunade's daughter. Given to adoption after the death of Dan and picked up by sakura's parents. Sakuras ' mom ' has blonde hair, big forehead, and sakura's eyes. BUT tsunade also has blonde hair and a big forehead.
Dan also has sakuras eyes? maybe sakura was given to adoption just like naruto to protect her from people hunting her bloodline only she didnt have a ****ing 250 foot fox inserted into her and have her ****ing parents killed...

ANYWAY dan+tsu= Sak

 

[Machiko]

I personally think you're looking to much into it.

Anyway I have this; Nohara Rin - Haruno Sakura take the Ha and No in Nohara and you can also find them in Haruno.