Theory for unlocking Rinnegan

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In the manga, we were told that Madara awakened the Rinnegan as an old man and that Senju DNA is required to achieve it, but we don't know anything beyond that. Now simply being old does not make sense as a prerequisite to unlocking the Rinngan. Rather, i think there is a different requirement that Madara was able to meet as a result of being very old. Now Tobirama says the deeper the Uchiha descend into darkness, the more powerful their eyes become:

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This detail could extend to the Rinnegan, but it doesn't quite make sense because Madara should have unlocked it earlier if that was the case. Madara was never more dark than right after he lost to Hashirama for the last time, so if this was the requirement for Rinnegan, he would have unlocked it then. So why did Madara not unlock it until near the end of his life? That is where my theory comes in.

First, I want to make it clear that before he had the Rinngan, Madara's plan was completely in shambles. He could not really do anything without the Rinnegan and was likely desperate to unlock it in order to preserve some sort of immortality. He had Zetsu, but until he unlocked Rinngan, simply having Zetsu would not be enough. Even after he unlocked the Rinngan and gave it to Nagato, he still needed someone to convince Nagato to come to his side and go on with the plan. Madara likely planned to have Zetsu do this for him, but later settled for Obito when he happened upon him -_-.

What I'm getting at is that without the Rinnegan, Madara's plan was all for not. He likely obsessed over unlocking it for decades, but to no avail. My theory is that at a certain point, near the end of his life, MADARA GAVE UP ON HIS EVIL AMBITION. In a moment of weakness, he forfeited his desires for evil and humbled himself. I feel that it was a moment of pure shame, frustration, anger and despair. THIS MOMENT is what I believe triggered the Rinnegan. I feel that he triggered a strong NEED for the power, rather than attempting to focus on his DESIRE to achieve it. Sound familiar?

This theory is based strongly off how Vegeta became a Super-Saiyan. We know that becoming a SSJ stems from a need, not a desire. Goku achieved this through a need to save his friends, embracing pure anger and hate towards Freiza, feeling completely desperate and hopeless when it came to saving his friends. That is how be became a SSJ, but when it came to Vegeta, it was a moment of weakness. In the manga, it says he unlocked it by 'getting mad at himself'. In the anime, it showed him giving up after trying for so long to become stronger. He is shown having a moment of weakness where he didn't care anymore. He embraced a moment of pure hopelessness and desperation where he had a true NEED to survive.


That is the basis to the theory, that Madara had a moment where all his evil desires and ambitions of power left him. Where he gave up on his plans and had a moment of pure weakness and despair. I feel that this moment unlocked the Rinnegan inside him, fulfilling his life's ambition. After-which, he quickly regained his composure, and continued with his plan as he always intended.

What do you guys think? Perhaps a little too far-fetched? I honestly feel very strongly about this theory and feel that it has a lot of strong backing when it comes to the similarities between the SSJ transformation and the Sharingan. Thoughts, comments, concerns, suggestions? Tell me what you think.
 

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Thanks guys. Yup Kishi does take inspiration from DBZ, the SSJ vs. Sharigan comparison is evidence enough.

To be honest, I don't really see any real reason why Madara would not unlock the Rinnegan until such an old age unless it required something strange like this. It just feels likely that at that age, Madara might have lost all hope for his ambitions, thus unlocking the very power he desired his whole life.
 

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i think you have to have both of what the sage was or what he split between his sons
he split body life-force and yang chakra(younger son) and eyes powerful chakra and yin chakra(older son)

madara, being a uchiha and distantly related to older son, had the eyes powerful chakra and yin chakra, he then gets hashi's dna for his body life-force and yang chakra
but i don't know why it didn't open til he was about to die of old age
 

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nice theory but I think that hashirama cells were accumulating natural energy that's why it took so long
Hmm that's an interesting idea. Perhaps it did take a long time for the Senju DNA to take hold, but it doesn't quite make sense that it would take so long. Madara didn't have wood release either while he was alive, so it might make sense that his body didn't respond well to the DNA until a later time. I think that both of these ideas are possible, because they both require a scenario that would have taken time to occur.

i think you have to have both of what the sage was or what he split between his sons
he split body life-force and yang chakra(younger son) and eyes powerful chakra and yin chakra(older son)

madara, being a uchiha and distantly related to older son, had the eyes powerful chakra and yin chakra, he then gets hashi's dna for his body life-force and yang chakra
but i don't know why it didn't open til he was about to die of old age
I think we can agree that those are the minimal requirements to unlocking rinnegan, but this theory is to explain exactly why he didn't unlock it until that age. I think its clear there is another requirement to unlock it that we don't know about, and that is what this theory is attempting to answer.

Nice Theory, I think you deserved more responses for the hardwork you put in.
But oh well, I'll + rep you for the good effot :) I agree to most of it
Ty sir :)
 
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Its probably something like what you said. But when he was revived he said "I want to try something"

meaning he already knew a few things about using Hashirama's cells, mokuton, chibaku tensei.
For sure, Madara already knew a lot about such things before he died. He fought Hashirama many times and even copied the seals for his wood dragon jutsu, the reason he can use it now. He also had the EMS while part of the Uchiha, so he clearly read the tablet and found out about Rinnegan. Now he might not have been able to read the tablet with the Rinngan, but he clearly knew about the basics to unlocking it. Bottom line is that he was doing everything he could to unlock it given the information he had, but yes his knowledge and experience extended far into senju DNA as well.
 

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As plausible as that sounds, I am inclined to disagree.

It was Vegeta's frustration and anger, as you point out, that triggered his dormant SSJ powers. It can also be said it was his feelings of hatred and jealousy. But is it for this very reason I disagree. Why would Kishi make direct reference to this? It seems very unlikely to me that Kishi would use this concept because it fringes DBZ. Plagiarizing this very idea from Toriyama would make Kishi look very bad since everyone knows DBZ is one of his sources of inspiration.

Also, Madara tells us he fought that fight to gain access to Hashirama's abilities and to grab a tissue sample. We also know he lived far longer than Hashirama (since his edo form is so youthful). This is also revealed to us as edo Madara asserts the landscape would be reshaped if Hashirama were still alive to fight him. This means edo Madara is aware Hashirama is long gone. He has probably known this since his seclusion in that cave before he was ever edo'd back to life seeing as he lived until a very old age.

With his arch rival gone, who would be left to oppose Madara? who would be strong enough to make Madara feel so uneasy that he be jealous of their power? Madara may still have a deep rooted grudge against shinobi in general, but he wouldn't feel the same kind of powerlessness and anger that Vegeta felt towards Goku.


So given my above 2 arguments, I don't really think the Rinnegan was unlocked by the sheer NEED for power, since that need was mostly influenced by Hashirama.
 
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