[Theory] Elder Son manipulated his fathers tablet
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RasenUchihaChaos
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i want to know how in the heck did whoever wrote that tablet have it to where the sharingan can read it ???
I understand what you are saying. The point I was making though was as time progressed maybe the Elder son realized the eyes diminishing. Rinnegan created a watered down version so maybe his son had MS and his grandson had Sharingan. After realizing this they all inscribed how to acheieve EMS again lol. Also no MS or EMS look alike so it's plausible to say he could have an EMS in that picture
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how can elder son have EMS?
last time i checked to get EMS u need ur brothers Ms.elder son's brother was senju with no sharingan.so how would he got EMS?
that's y i m assuming that Elder son's kid must have wrote it.
I'd imagine if the EMS is 1 step below the Rinnegan... someone of the sage's level giving birth to two children would make them extremely power. It is possible that the Elder son was born with Eyes = to EMS or stronger but as time progressed the eyes diminished
The sage had to have wrote it since he was the one with the Rinnegan. Well atleast the final piece of it.
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Hmmm...Rinnegan down conversion, probably it did happened but it happened after almost three generation(at least), but then again it may take two-three other generation, to find how to get EMS again, it isnot possible that son survived till that moment, so son manipulated the tablet wrong, because he didn't knew about Sharingan or EMS...
How he got EMS without Killing his brother??
Majority of my threads are not troll threads just out of the box thinking. Most people use there fanboying/hate of me to ruin my thread. It's actually funny since I could get 4 people banned for harrassment but i'm not about that since it's all in good fun.
The thing is people are stuck on the fact that they did not know about EMS or MS... how do we know this? EMS and MS could have been called something different back then. Hate = power in the Uchiha clan right? the Elder son had more hate than any one else considering his eyes reflected mankind/Juubi foulness. He could have possibly been born with eyes = to or greater than EMS and his offspring got weaker eyes
Yeah sadly people take a board about teenage ninjas way too seriously. Most of those people are kids though. You need creative thinking and amusing threads to entertain people. Other wise you would sit on here reading theories all day which is boring
Excellent theory and I agree 
Also I believe that Elder Son had something smilliar to EMS, maybe more powerfull or even had First EMS.
and to some of you arguing that he would be forced to take his brother eyes ?
No, it wasn't necessary especially If Sage of six paths divided his/Juubi power equally with Creation of All things to create his sons aka First Uchiha and First Senjuu. Even If it was biological birth then still it could be explained somehow. It is called devolution form Pure and The greatest source, in other words Sage of six paths's Rinnengan got devolved into EMS biologicaly as reaction for lack of Senjuu DNA which was used to create Younger Son and it would make sense also.
Then Blood diluted over times decresing occular power of eyes devolving it to Mangenkyou Sharingan..., The reason for devolution could be lack of hatred or decreasing amount of hatred which was needed to awake stronger occular power in your eyes. Finally even MS got devolved to Sharingan... and Then somehow Byakugan if it is even included into that story.
However to evolve your eye you need to fulfill special conditions as it is always much harder to get something then lost something what you had already
It could explain that they are two ways to get Sharingan, MS, EMS and Rinnnegan and maybe even Byakugan if it fit into story:
1) Be born already with these eyes
2) Reach and fulfill special conditions to get them:
- Sharingan - have hatred in yourself and be skilled enough, maybe strong genes as well
- MS - expierience death of close to you friends... either killing him/her by yourself or watching it... suffering cause increase of hatred which lead to increase occular power in eyes
- EMS - transplant your brother MS into your own eyes getting eternal light
- Rinnengan - having EMS and implanting Senjuu DNA in yourself also expierience enough suffering and knowledge about The World
This is how I see it works....
Elder Son was born with EMS in this case, while Sasuke, Madara, Izuna and Itachi, Shisui and Obito had to evolve their eyes reaching special conditions.
Remeber devolution comes really easy, but Evolution of something take much more time and much more efforts, as it is hard to gain something while it is easy to loose something.
I hope this clear up a bit
EDIT: actually it even make a lot of sense:
Sage - born with the Rinnengan (Juubi's eye while being it's Jinchurki )
Elder Son - born/created with the EMS
Younger Son - born/created with the Senjuu DNA(Wood release most likely)
First Uchiha(maybe Son of Elder Son) - born/created with the MS
Uchiha from old times - born with the Sharingan
Modern Uchiha - Normal eyes with potential to awake Sharingan and evolve it.
It looks easy to understand, however it is hard for me explain why devolution even was happening. I mean Rinnengan -> EMS + Senjuu DNA(Wood release) is understandable, but why EMS could devolve to MS... maybe due to lack of hatred or forgivness... but then why MS degraded to 3 tomoe Sharingan... lack of hatred again... or maybe too much love, lack of negative feelings ... times of peace and lack of war... probably and finall Sharingan-> Normal eye with potential to awake Sharingan. Of course the blood diluting could be blamed but could only this ?
What do you think OP... what would cause devolution eye form EMS-> MS, MS-> 3 tomoe Shairngan, and finally 3T Sharingan-> normal eyes with potential of awakening 3T Sharingan ? please tell me I am interested
Also I believe that Elder Son had something smilliar to EMS, maybe more powerfull or even had First EMS.
and to some of you arguing that he would be forced to take his brother eyes ?
No, it wasn't necessary especially If Sage of six paths divided his/Juubi power equally with Creation of All things to create his sons aka First Uchiha and First Senjuu. Even If it was biological birth then still it could be explained somehow. It is called devolution form Pure and The greatest source, in other words Sage of six paths's Rinnengan got devolved into EMS biologicaly as reaction for lack of Senjuu DNA which was used to create Younger Son and it would make sense also.
Then Blood diluted over times decresing occular power of eyes devolving it to Mangenkyou Sharingan..., The reason for devolution could be lack of hatred or decreasing amount of hatred which was needed to awake stronger occular power in your eyes. Finally even MS got devolved to Sharingan... and Then somehow Byakugan if it is even included into that story.
However to evolve your eye you need to fulfill special conditions as it is always much harder to get something then lost something what you had already
It could explain that they are two ways to get Sharingan, MS, EMS and Rinnnegan and maybe even Byakugan if it fit into story:
1) Be born already with these eyes
2) Reach and fulfill special conditions to get them:
- Sharingan - have hatred in yourself and be skilled enough, maybe strong genes as well
- MS - expierience death of close to you friends... either killing him/her by yourself or watching it... suffering cause increase of hatred which lead to increase occular power in eyes
- EMS - transplant your brother MS into your own eyes getting eternal light
- Rinnengan - having EMS and implanting Senjuu DNA in yourself also expierience enough suffering and knowledge about The World
This is how I see it works....
Elder Son was born with EMS in this case, while Sasuke, Madara, Izuna and Itachi, Shisui and Obito had to evolve their eyes reaching special conditions.
Remeber devolution comes really easy, but Evolution of something take much more time and much more efforts, as it is hard to gain something while it is easy to loose something.
I hope this clear up a bit
EDIT: actually it even make a lot of sense:
Sage - born with the Rinnengan (Juubi's eye while being it's Jinchurki )
Elder Son - born/created with the EMS
Younger Son - born/created with the Senjuu DNA(Wood release most likely)
First Uchiha(maybe Son of Elder Son) - born/created with the MS
Uchiha from old times - born with the Sharingan
Modern Uchiha - Normal eyes with potential to awake Sharingan and evolve it.
It looks easy to understand, however it is hard for me explain why devolution even was happening. I mean Rinnengan -> EMS + Senjuu DNA(Wood release) is understandable, but why EMS could devolve to MS... maybe due to lack of hatred or forgivness... but then why MS degraded to 3 tomoe Sharingan... lack of hatred again... or maybe too much love, lack of negative feelings ... times of peace and lack of war... probably and finall Sharingan-> Normal eye with potential to awake Sharingan. Of course the blood diluting could be blamed but could only this ?
What do you think OP... what would cause devolution eye form EMS-> MS, MS-> 3 tomoe Shairngan, and finally 3T Sharingan-> normal eyes with potential of awakening 3T Sharingan ? please tell me I am interested
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UchihaNagashi
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He never got to kill his own brother if I'm correct. I'm not sure if he had someone more important in his life than him, since the whole COH started from them.
And Madara and Izuna still awakened first the MS. And Madara was naturally the first one to get EMS.
Manga facts prove it. And it was stated by Jiraiya that SO6P had Rinnegan. It's only natural for the son have one too, since he got his eyes.