Theory Danzo controlled Itachi and Hiruzen

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We know that Danzo had shisuis right eye before the uchiha clan massacre as shown in Itachis flashback when shisui gave him the left eye. So what if Danzo had used kotoamatsukami on Itachi to convince him to kill the clan for the sake of the village, and used it on the 3rd to convince him to allow it.
 

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Doubtful. Danzo didn't get Hashi's cells until long after the Uchiha Massacre, and seeing as how Shisui stated Danzo took his eye while attempting to use Koto himself, it's safe to say that eye was on cool down until Danzo got Hashi's DNA.
 
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Doubtful. Danzo didn't get Hashi's cells until long after the Uchiha Massacre, and seeing as how Shisui stated Danzo took his eye while attempting to use Koto himself, it's safe to say that eye was on cool down until Danzo got Hashi's DNA.
By this point in time Orichimaru has already experimented with hashirama DNA, it's possbile he had hashirama DNA since he right arm was still put away as if he needed to hide it back then too. He now know the right arm came from shin so he could have had that arm before the massacre.
 

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By this point in time Orichimaru has already experimented with hashirama DNA, it's possbile he had hashirama DNA since he right arm was still put away as if he needed to hide it back then too. He now know the right arm came from shin so he could have had that arm before the massacre.
There was no reason to go to Orochimaru until he had an arm full of Sharingan, which he didn't have until after the Massacre.

Plus shin was created from Shisui's DNA in the first place.
 
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There was no reason to go to Orochimaru until he had an arm full of Sharingan, which he didn't have until after the Massacre.

Plus shin was created from Shisui's DNA in the first place.
There was no mention of shusui at all in gaiden where are you getting this information?

Orichimaru explained that shin was just an Itachi fanboy that could take any implant and he even outright stated his right arm became danzos

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There was no mention of shusui at all in gaiden where are you getting this information?

Orichimaru explained that shin was just an Itachi fanboy that could take any implant and he even outright stated his right arm became danzos

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Specifally, "This child became Danzo's right arm" and "The color of his chakras in his right shoulder and arm... It's Uchiha Shisui's color!"
 

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Specifally, "This child became Danzo's right arm" and "The color of his chakras in his right shoulder and arm... It's Uchiha Shisui's color!"
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he literally cut off shins arm and attached it to Danzo, either Kishi meant just Danzos eye, or we have a contradiction because shin doesn't have shusuis DNA
 

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he literally cut off shins arm and attached it to Danzo, either Kishi meant just Danzos eye, or we have a contradiction because shin doesn't have shusuis DNA
I'm not having this debate again.

Danzo's arm is made of Shisui's chakra. Danzo's arm is Shin's arm. You do the math.
 
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We know that Danzo had shisuis right eye before the uchiha clan massacre as shown in Itachis flashback when shisui gave him the left eye. So what if Danzo had used kotoamatsukami on Itachi to convince him to kill the clan for the sake of the village, and used it on the 3rd to convince him to allow it.
The manga pretty much clarified that this was not the case. Hiruzen was just as apt as Danzo was to protect the village and always let him handle the seedier side from his youth, that passiveness is simply his personality.

Meanwhile, with Itachi he killed his clan for both the village as well as to keep the Uchiha's reputation intact (according to what Tobi said to Sasuke as well as what Itachi said to Naruto) and save one of them. If Itachi had been affected by a genjutsu, then he would have completely gone the utilitarian route and killed Sasuke as well- Danzo would not allow a risk such as Sasuke to remain present if he could have controlled Itachi. Nor would Itachi have another motivation (besides minimizing conflict in the village and surrounding areas) that was in the interest of the clan, a clan intent on betraying the village.

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he literally cut off shins arm and attached it to Danzo, either Kishi meant just Danzos eye, or we have a contradiction because shin doesn't have shusuis DNA
Just Danzo's eye.
There was no reason to go to Orochimaru until he had an arm full of Sharingan, which he didn't have until after the Massacre.

Plus shin was created from Shisui's DNA in the first place.
Danzo and Orochimaru were affiliated with each other long before the massacre and Danzo did have his arm wrapped up along with part of his face years before the massacre as well. He also mentioned how every sharingan he was in possession of "had a different story". To top it off, Tobi said he collected the sharingan at the Uchiha massacre. Danzo did not get anything tangible from that night.

The eye is drawn distinctly different than both Danzo's regular eye as well as both of his arms in the panel you posted. There's emphasis on it. When Ao was stating that, he meant the chakra in his arm was different (due to the sharingan of random Uchiha being in it) but paused a bit after noticing the color in one of his eyes- that alone was Shisui's.

Shisui's arm went away with his body. Assuming Itachi and/or the Uchiha Police Force destroyed it so that no one would go hunting for it in search of his eyes.
did itachi speak to danzo before or after he took shusuis eye? i forget. mustve been before
After, the flashbacks were in chronological order.
 
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