THEORY : a Hiyuga members can stop a Uchiha Amaterassu...

[Rikudou Tobi]

These methods are a good way to keep the flames away from the body but it still can't put out the black flames. Now what happens if Enton (blaze release)? Because even after rotation, chakra cloak, or even shinra tensei pushes the flames to a different location Enton could still comeback as a tendril/spike of some sort to attack again and again.

 

[Melanin]

I could see Neji pulling it off

 

[salamander uchiha]

I could see Neji pulling it off

Do you think a Neji, Sasuke rivalry would've been better?

 

[Melanin]

Do you think a Neji, Sasuke rivalry would've been better?

No...MS Sasuke would murk him.

 

[Jinrou]

Rotation isn't needed. Prior knowledge + Byakugan makes them good counters seeing as Ama can't seem to burn chakra as your scans show.

 

[Draepzine]

Rotation and chakra emittion cannot repel chakra attacks. Only physical like kunai and sword. Portrayal makes amaterasu greater than anything Hyuga has shown. Narutos kyuubi chakra is yinyang chakra + natura energy infused chakra. Comparing it with base chakra is futile. Destroying amaterasu is futile as neji has shown Hyuga can only destroy by pricking the chakra near thier finger. It can barely cut kidos threads let alone a large flame like amaterasu. The reason why neji couldn't destroy the threads or repel them effectively is because they had a life of their own. Amaterasu is the same. Amaterasu devours things not burning. Amaterasu is like a living thing just like kidomarus webs. Therefore the life containing flames aren't destroyed. Chakra is not immortal as normal fire style can be extinguished. Amaterasu is not chakra. Amaterasu is said to be immortal flames which cannot be extinguished by any means. The battle against itachi proved amaterasu can resist water droplets falling from the clouds completely.

 

[neosmith500]

Rotation and chakra emittion cannot repel chakra attacks. Only physical like kunai and sword.

My eyes see bullshit , clearly.

Facts: Rotation not only blocks , but also repels Chakra. Side-note facts from Kishimoto

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Besides , Amaterasu failed to burn through Samurai armour despite being on the samurai for a long duration of time. Samurai armour lacks the Chakra blocking and repelling qualities of Kaiten. No reason it would breach Chakra cacoon any easier/faster especially when considering the Hyuga would body-blow the flames away the moment it hits the cacoon of Chakra. Then when u consider that the Chakra cacoon can be extended to this size by Kid Neji in training much less p2 Neji.

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Its clear u dont know wat ur talking about here.

 

[salamander uchiha]

My eyes see bullshit , clearly.

Facts: Rotation not only blocks , but also repels Chakra. Side-note facts from Kishimoto

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Agree with this part.

Besides , Amaterasu failed to burn through Samurai armour which lacks the Chakra blocking and repelling qualities Kaiten. No reason it would breach Chakra cacoon any easier/faster especially when conisdering the Hyuga would body-blow the flames away the moment it hits the cacoon. Then when u consider that the Chakra cacoon can be extended to this size by Kid Neji in training much less p2 Neji.

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Its clear u dont know wat ur talking about here.

The Ama was nerfed for the Samurai scene it's power fluctuates. From burning an instant whole through the fireproof stomach of fire breathing toad to not being able to burn the Samurai armour.

 

[neosmith500]

Agree with this part.

The Ama was nerfed for the Samurai scene it's power fluctuates. From burning an instant whole through the fireproof stomach of fire breathing toad to not being able to burn the Samurai armour.

The toad is fire-proof yes , but Ama isn't normal fire as it burns fire itself. The toads insides are composed of soft flesh which without the toad having a resistence to Black fire , it then becomes ntn but a wall of flesh at that point.

-The Samurai was hit by Amaterasu and the flames remained for a hefty duration. No excuses bro.

 

[Draepzine]

My eyes see bullshit , clearly.

Facts: Rotation not only blocks , but also repels Chakra. Side-note facts from Kishimoto

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Besides , Amaterasu failed to burn through Samurai armour which lacks the Chakra blocking and repelling qualities Kaiten. No reason it would breach Chakra cacoon any easier/faster especially when conisdering the Hyuga would body-blow the flames away the moment it hits the cacoon. Then when u consider that the Chakra cacoon can be extended to this size by Kid Neji much less p2.

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Its clear u dont know wat ur talking about here.

Well, you missed the point. I concede to the fact that chakra can be repelled by Rotation because you have provided substantial proof. But here's my main point: Rotation couldn't repel kidoumaru's webs. It had a life of it's own as stated by neji himself. Guess what else have a life of it's own? The black flames of amaterasu.

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It devours, devour is synonymous with eating not burning. The flame has life. There is no feat of rotation repelling life containing substances. Kidomarus webs overcoming rotation is proof of this fact. Flames are not made of chakra nor are they physical.

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It's intangible.

 

[salamander uchiha]

The toad is fire-proof yes , but Ama isn't normal fire as it burns fire itself. The toads insides are composed of soft flesh which without the toad having a resistence to Black fire , it then becomes ntn but a wall of flesh at that point.

-The Samurai was hit by Amaterasu and the flames remained for a hefty duration. No excuses bro.

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The wall and stomach it burns through is fireproof and tick as you can see when Naruto moves in close. It's resist should've been greater than the base level 1 inch thick armour at best.

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Here's another view of the wall and stomach together they're at least 5 inches or more thick. You have the wall coveted with a fireproof layer. The Ama aren't ordinary flames but the stomach would've offered some ADDED resistance.

I'm not making excuses its either nerf(weakening) or just inconsistency.

 

[Draepzine]

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The wall and stomach it burns through is fireproof and tick as you can see when Naruto moves in close. It's resist should've been greater than the base level 1 inch thick armour at best.

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Here's another view of the wall and stomach together they're at least 5 inches or more thick. You have the wall coveted with a fireproof layer. The Ama aren't ordinary flames but the stomach would've offered some ADDED resistance.

I'm not making excuses its either nerf(weakening) or just inconsistency.

Amaterasu burns only life containing substance. Seen by melting Kabuto's life cave which he produced through sage art: inorganic reincarnation. That is why neji can't repel it, nonetheless, its not tangible substance. Clear from Karin's words.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Amaterasu burns only life containing substance. Seen by melting Kabuto's life cave which he produced through sage art: inorganic reincarnation. That is why neji can't repel it, nonetheless, its not tangible substance. Clear from Karin's words.

What life did the wall have?

 

[Draepzine]

What life did the wall have?

Muki tensei gives life to the inorganic substances. It's an unconventional jutsu which gives controls with life rather than controlling with chakra - Kabuto.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Muki tensei gives life to the inorganic substances. It's an unconventional jutsu which gives controls with life rather than controlling with chakra - Kabuto.

I'm referring tongue wall that Itachi burn through along with the foreproof toads stomach. The ones I presented in the scans.

 

[neosmith500]

Well, you missed the point. I concede to the fact that chakra can be repelled by Rotation because you have provided substantial proof. But here's my main point: Rotation couldn't repel kidoumaru's webs. It had a life of it's own as stated by neji himself. Guess what else have a life of it's own? The black flames of amaterasu.

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It devours, devour is synonymous with eating not burning. The flame has life. There is no feat of rotation repelling life containing substances. Kidomarus webs overcoming rotation is proof of this fact. Flames are not made of chakra nor are they physical.

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It's intangible.

The webs didn't get repelled due to their sticky build. The Chakra flows within the webs. The outside is ntn but sticky gunk which due to Neji's spinning along with the number of spiders caused the webs to fuse together and expand which halted the Rotation's spinning.

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Amaterasu is clearly different as it wouldn't stick to the Rotation. It would stick to Chakra cacoon but as i already said , the Hyuga would simply body-blow the flames off using the same chakra the flames were attached to. Same way he removed the webs in the scan i just showed u. Bottom right panel.

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Amaterasu is a physical attack. It can be pushed away , blocked and/or removed. Im not gonna address the rest.

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The wall and stomach it burns through is fireproof and tick as you can see when Naruto moves in close. It's resist should've been greater than the base level 1 inch thick armour at best.

Not really as im sure that the Samurai armour would protect from a sword stab/slash much better than the Toad's soft innards.

Here's another view of the wall and stomach together they're at least 5 inches or more thick. You have the wall coveted with a fireproof layer. The Ama aren't ordinary flames but the stomach would've offered some ADDED resistance.

I'm not making excuses its either nerf(weakening) or just inconsistency.

The toad offers zero resisitance to Amterasu just as normal flames offer zero resistance to Amterasu. Its ntn but soft flesh to Amterasu. While against normal flames its soft flesh + resistenace. U can call it nerf or u can call it inconsistency. Base Amaterasu isn't burning through Kaiten/Chakra cacoon any easier than it did the Samurai armour which tanked it for a nice duration and never even melted it when being removed by Kankuro minutes after initial contact.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Not really as im sure that the Samurai armour would protect from a sword stab/slash much better than the Toad's soft innards.


The toad offers zero resisitance to Amterasu just as normal flames offer zero resistance. Its ntn but soft flesh to Amterasu. While against normal flames its soft flesh + resistenace. U can call it nerf or u can call it inconsistency. Base Amaterasu isn't burning through Kaiten/Chakra cacoon any easier than it did the Samurai armour which tanked it for a nice duration and never even melted it when being removed by Kankuro minutes after initial contact.

I think there's a misunderstanding I was referring to both the toad innards and the wall 5 inches of thickness. If it was soley the innards I'd be inclined to agree with your assessment. Becsuse of the wall it's either Nerf or inconsistency.

Anyway I'm not disputing Kaiten cocoon being able to defend against Ama that's the other guy. I am one of the very few who believe with foreknowledge of Ama a Hyuga like Neji, Hanabi or Hiashi can defend against it via kaiten. It if they're hit then repel it via one body blow followed by kaiten. Though in the latter they'd suffer serious damage.

 

[neosmith500]

I think there's a misunderstanding I was referring to both the toad innards and the wall 5 inches of thickness. If imit was soley the innards I'd be inclined to agree with your assessment. Becsuse of the wall i refer to it as Nerf or inconsistency.

Anyway I'm not disputing Kaiten cocoon being able to defend against Ama that's the other guy. I am one of the very few who believe with Corel owledfe of Ama a Hyuga like Neji, Hanabi or Hiashi can tell it via kaiten. It if they're hit then repel it via one body blow followed by kaiten. Though in the latter they'd suffer damage.

Walls get neg diffed all the time tho. P1 Base Lee can casually pull giant roots out the ground yet his punches in Gates wouldn't breach CE2 Neji's chakra cocoon so easily , yet by simply blitzing near that wall Gated Lee would shatter it much less a direct punch.

-I got u mixed up there then. Why would they use Body-blow followed by Kaiten when body-blow would already remove the flames?

If Amaterasu hits their body without any form of defense then the Hyuga would still die from the initial blast especially if hit like Danzo was.. Unless they had Samurai armour or were in edo form i dont see them using body-blow after Ama touches the skin. They would need to use Chakra cocoon first no matter wat.

 

[MightGai]

My eyes see bullshit , clearly.

Facts: Rotation not only blocks , but also repels Chakra. Side-note facts from Kishimoto

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If that's the case, why it didn't repel Kidomaru's threads?.

 

[Dremolite]

Amaterasu can be negated with chakra destruction or chakra repulsion.