Theirs a reason why Madara keeps saying that Hashirama....

[Anorien16]

I recommend you learn to read, then quote me,

Iruka nor orochimaru never said "I think Hiruzen is the strongest hokage"

Iruka said Sandaime hokage was considered the strongest of the hokages

And orochimaru said " You who was hailed as god of shinobi"


Do note it isn't their opinion.. They are both commenting in past tense on something other people have said



And the manga has made it clear hiruzen was deemed stronger by the people of konoha


> Your opinion

U still ignore the fact the other people may not actually know Hashirama . . . Read again please.

Totally and completely wrong on almost all counts


1) Hiruzen was CALLED, the strongest hokage, past tense, aka in his prime

2) Back then, in the previous generations, tobirama and hashirama didn't too long die, any jonins or people who were hiruzen;s age, would have lived in their time as well

Thus they saw both hashi and tobi, and stil decided to call him strongest

Your argument is invalid

A god > a myth any day

Its You who is wrong as only two youngsters who didnt see both hashi and Tobi 'called' Hizune God of Shinobi (Namely Kabuto, Orochimaru etc) and they are expected to follow what what young people say . . . . . yougsters and old people always have different opinions: See in Sunakagure younger shinobi was in love with Gaara but older ones feared and hated him.
So ur argument has no validity too.

ALSO MADARA VS HASHIRAMA

Only proof of Hashirama's power is Madar's words, he can mean:
1. Hashirama can still beat him in his edo form. (Not so likely)
2. Hashirama is the only one who has a chance of beating him, which all the five Kage together can not.

Either way Hashirama is more powerful that current five Kage put together.

Plus try to disprove this logic:

Hashi > EMS Madara+ Kurama
Hashi >> EMS Madara
Edo Hashi >> Edo EMS Madara
Edo Hashi + Implanted MS >= Edo EMS/Rinne Madara + Hashi cells

So in all fair comparisons Hashirama wins, i dont think Hashi fanboys wld want more than that.

 

[MadaraHashirama]

dude, stop arguing, people are retarded, honestly

Look at hashirama's face and body after his fight with EMS madara

Now this is edo madara , who is 500 x stronger than ems madara, and they still think he can win

gg

Nb'ers logic

Fighting against Perfect Susano'o and the Kyuubi at the same time is easy.

 

[Midday]

Fighting against Perfect Susano'o and the Kyuubi at the same time is easy.

He does have the perfect counter since mokuton can supress chakra and bijuu's. :|

 

[Owarij]

Its You who is wrong as only two youngsters who didnt see both hashi and Tobi 'called' Hizune God of Shinobi (Namely Iruka, Kabuto, Orochimaru etc) . . . . . yougsters and old people always have different opinions: See in Sunakagure younger shinobi was in love with Gaara but older ones feared and hated him.
So ur argument has no validity too.

ALSO MADARA VS HASHIRAMA

Only proof of Hashirama's power is Madar's words, he can mean:
1. Hashirama can still beat him in his edo form. (Not so likely)
2. Hashirama is the only one who has a chance of beating him, which all the five Kage together can not.

Either way Hashirama is more powerful that current five Kage put together.

Plus try to disprove this logic:

Hashi > EMS Madara+ Kurama
Hashi >> EMS Madara
Edo Hashi >> Edo EMS Madara
Edo Hashi + Implanted MS >= Edo EMS/Rinne Madara + Hashi cells

So in all fair comparisons Hashirama wins, i dont think Hashi fanboys wld want more than that.

Kyuubi would have barely been a factor in that fight since hashirama can supress him


Hashirama >= Ems Madara
Hashirama <<<<< Edo Madara


It's as simple as that, I have no idea wtf your other comparisons are about so I won't comment on them

U still ignore the fact the other people may not actually know Hashirama . . . Read again please.

You need to read... Are you mad? There are ninjas in this generation who lived in the time with tobirama and hashirama.. danzo and the eleders, and undoubtedly any old villagers..

We are talking about the PAST, in hiruzen's Prime... Tobirama had only died a few years ago, and hashirama a year or so before that.... In hiruzen's ERA

aka when Sakumo hatake etc lived, There would have been jonins etc who would have see them both just like Hiruzen..
And even then they stated he was stronger..

 

[TheSages456]

And Nagato was actually called a Sage of 6 Paths :|

cool story bro. madara is the 2nd and guess who he said could beat him.

 

[Οdin]

I always thought that Nagato was more powerful than Madara and Hashirama, but Kishimoto is hiding something about Hashirama. Eh... no matter. Don't care.

 

[Ryuu..]

cool story bro. madara is the 2nd and guess who he said could beat him.

So Nagato's hype shits on Hashirama's. Agreed?

 

[MadaraHashirama]

He does have the perfect counter since mokuton can supress chakra and bijuu's. :|

Do you know how Bijuu's get surpressed by Mokuton?

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Just sitting there chillin', no Madara around.

 

[Owarij]

Do you know how Bijuu's get surpressed by Mokuton?

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Just sitting there chillin', no Madara around.

It's too bad Hashirama only had senju level chakra amounts

I mean , IT'S not like he could have made a wood clone to do that, nope, obviously, He couldn';t be fighting madara, while one supressed kyuubi

 

[TrollingSage]

Kyuubi would have barely been a factor in that fight since hashirama can supress him


Hashirama >= Ems Madara
Hashirama <<<<< Edo Madara


It's as simple as that, I have no idea wtf your other comparisons are about so I won't comment on them




You need to read... Are you mad? There are ninjas in this generation who lived in the time with tobirama and hashirama.. danzo and the eleders, and undoubtedly any old villagers..

We are talking about the PAST, in hiruzen's Prime... Tobirama had only died a few years ago, and hashirama a year or so before that.... In hiruzen's ERA

aka when Sakumo hatake etc lived, There would have been jonins etc who would have see them both just like Hiruzen..
And even then they stated he was stronger..

Just like oonoki knew the extent of madara's power and hence hashi's power right? You make alot of assumption and thats the downfall of ur argument.
Eg: Kyuubi wont be a factor? In a flash back, we saw a pic of kuruma attacking and being withheld. Clearly his effect wasnt immediately countered right? so at a point hashi must have had his hands full. Again it can all be assumption. But the fact that madara insist hashi is the only 1 to stop him means there is more to him becuz as of now, madara's rightful statement isnt justified

 

[MadaraHashirama]

It's too bad Hashirama only had senju level chakra amounts

I mean , IT'S not like he could have made a wood clone to do that, nope, obviously, He couldn';t be fighting madara, while one supressed kyuubi

Madara, controlling the Kyuubi, will let the Kyuubi sit down and wait for Hashirama to surpress him. No Bijuu Bomb or such involved

 

[Owarij]

Just like oonoki knew the extent of madara's power and hence hashi's power right? You make alot of assumption and thats the downfall of ur argument.
Eg: Kyuubi wont be a factor? In a flash back, we saw a pic of kuruma attacking and being withheld. Clearly his effect wasnt immediately countered right? so at a point hashi must have had his hands full. Again it can all be assumption. But the fact that madara insist hashi is the only 1 to stop him means there is more to him becuz as of now, madara's rightful statement isnt justified

was onooki in the same village with hashirama or madara? did they fight together in wars?

Good

 

[TheSages456]

So Nagato's hype shits on Hashirama's. Agreed?

hashiramas hype and feats shit on nagatos. agreed?

 

[Ryuu..]

hashiramas hype and feats shit on nagatos. agreed?

Well i've already shat on your hype argument so we can move on from that. Feats? Questionnable.

 

[Owarij]

hashiramas hype and feats shit on nagatos. agreed?

Nagato's hype? Undefeated. God. 3rd sage of six path


hashi's hype? strongest of his era


Hiruzen's hype shits on hashi's... much less nagato's..

 

[TheSages456]

Nagato's hype? Undefeated. God. 3rd sage of six path


hashi's hype? strongest of his era


Hiruzen's hype shits on hashi's... much less nagato's..

hashiramas hype

called the strongest shinobi

is said that his might was so great that no shinobi from the current era could match his level of power.
(most of the OP shinobi from this era would shit on hiruzen and beat nagato.)

his strength is a myth like rikudo sennin

the 2nd sage of six paths, madara(who would use nagato as toilet paper btw) stated that hashirama could beat him.

 

[Οdin]

hashiramas hype and feats shit on nagatos. agreed?

Well i've already shat on your hype argument so we can move on from that. Feats? Questionnable.

Nagato's hype? Undefeated. God. 3rd sage of six path


hashi's hype? strongest of his era


Hiruzen's hype shits on hashi's... much less nagato's..

hashiramas hype

called the strongest shinobi

is said that his might was so great that no shinobi from the current era could match his level of power.
(most of the OP shinobi from this era would shit on hiruzen and beat nagato.)

his strength is a myth like rikudo sennin

the 2nd sage of six paths, madara(who would use nagato as toilet paper btw) stated that hashirama could beat him.

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[TheSages456]

Well i've already shat on your hype argument so we can move on from that. Feats? Questionnable.

well you havent proved anything. you just spouted nonsense then tried to change the subject when i countered but sure. hashiramas feats>nagatos.

 

[Owarij]

hashiramas hype

called the strongest shinobi

is said that his might was so great that no shinobi from the current era could match his level of power.
(most of the OP shinobi from this era would shit on hiruzen and beat nagato.)

his strength is a myth like rikudo sennin

the 2nd sage of six paths, madara(who would use nagato as toilet paper btw) stated that hashirama could beat him.

Madara is only the 2nd sage of six paths after implanting hashi's dna, aka edo madara, And as i've stressed so much already

Hashirama cannot beat EDO madara,

"There aren't really any shinobi around on his level anymore"

Meaning there were shinobi's around on his leveL , Meaning your boy isn't looking to special now if there was a bunch of other "hashirama " level shinobis walking around huh?

 

[Ryuu..]

hashiramas hype

called the strongest shinobi

is said that his might was so great that no shinobi from the current era could match his level of power.
(most of the OP shinobi from this era would shit on hiruzen and beat nagato.)

his strength is a myth like rikudo sennin

the 2nd sage of six paths, madara(who would use nagato as toilet paper btw) stated that hashirama could beat him.

Haha this is just full of false information.

Moving on. It seems some people are forgetting an interesting detail from Hashirama's feat:

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Yes. Hashirama did not simply remove the Kyuubi from Madara's possession. He gained control and in order to better aid him.... This goes handlely with the simple logic that if EMS Madara and Shodaime had battles which ended with stalemates prior to VOTE, how can Shodaime then be > EMS Madara + Kyuubi? This is something you need to think about. Considering EMS Madara survived VOTE it makes you wonder if Hashirama was truley the victor. I'm not disputing Shodaime's superiority over EMS Madara but some people seem to think there was nothing fishy about that fight, when there clearly was.