[Spoilers] The yonko going out

[Sakazuki]

Seems like big Mom even talks down on kaido...

Are we starting to get legit confirmation big Mom > kaido ?

Kaido can't be killed but he has scars... big Mom has only received injury from herself... no scars... no scratches ... she's never been hurt except by herself

Why take kaido down first if he's stronger? Why wait to take big mom down if she's weaker, mine as well have done it then


What do you guys think will happen if big mom goes on a tantrum in Wano? I think she would kill all the samurai.

Seems like even Roger avoided confrontation with big mom.. Maybe big mom physically is unbeatable..

If big mom tries to kill kaido for not paying her back and for trying to take shs head from her, how do you think that will go down?



How strong do you guys think the samurai are? I'll say VA level with shogun being around admiral

 

[Olorin]

Ppl really need to hold their horses wow talk about swaying with the wind

Luffy talked down to BM on FMI, how'd that go? Its nowhere near "legit conformation" of anything, very rarely do we get "legit" conformation of power scaling in the manga

Yes i do think ppl jumped the BM weak bandwagon and neither BM nor Kaido really want a confrontation, but just because u dont want conflict doesnt mean u are outmatched. It was the same for roger, none of the yonko and the admirals would just have a normal fight, its best to just avoid it, kinda the reason why WG doesnt go after the yonko,mor the yonko dont go after eachother.

We have no idea about the samurai but at the end of the day unless the shogun is Kaido or maybe Shiki im betting he/she is a swordsman and therefore below Mihawk

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

She literally said that if it wasn’t for Lola not marrying one of the giant people, she would’ve beat Kaido, Shanks, and Whitebeard.
That’s a clear indication that she cannot beat another yonko on her own because she needed to align herself with a group of power race that detest her because of her past, just to 1 up another yonko.

The whole thing would be a high diff battle going nowhere. If she enters a state of candy tantrum then Kaido would be in a state of emotional drunken tantrum. They’ll destroy everything in their path.

 

[Olorin]

She literally said that if it wasn’t for Lola not marrying one of the giant people, she would’ve beat Kaido, Shanks, and Whitebeard.
That’s a clear indication that she cannot beat another yonko on her own because she needed to align herself with a group of power race that detest her because of her past, just to 1 up another yonko.

The whole thing would be a high diff battle going nowhere. If she enters a state of candy tantrum then Kaido would be in a state of emotional drunken tantrum. They’ll destroy everything in their path.

she would have enough power behind her to become the pirate queen, according to her. BUT why is that confirmation she can't fight a single Yonko without a giant alliance, going against one Yonko would likely decimate her ranks so going up against a second Yonko after that would be much harder.

 

[Donald J Trump]

"If it's a 1 on 1, bet on Kaido"

Ty and Kaido solos.

 

[Sakazuki]

"If it's a 1 on 1, bet on Kaido"

Ty and Kaido solos.

"A mom is the strongest being in one piece, even stronger than kaido"

What other mom could oda have been talking about? And this was said after the whole bet on kaido thing.

Ty and big mom solos -.- not really but I can post something just as stupid as you can

 

[Olorin]

"A mom is the strongest being in one piece, even stronger than kaido"

What other mom could oda have been talking about? And this was said after the whole bet on kaido thing.

Ty and big mom solos -.- not really but I can post something just as stupid as you can

Whoever is the focus at the time will receive relatively the most hype

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

she would have enough power behind her to become the pirate queen, according to her. BUT why is that confirmation she can't fight a single Yonko without a giant alliance, going against one Yonko would likely decimate her ranks so going up against a second Yonko after that would be much harder.

I mean that didn't stop Shanks from having a little fight with Kaido prior to the paramount war so I don't think ranks have much to do with it. Pre timeskip Yonkous were at a constant deadlock with each other fighting for territories that had clues hinting Raftel's location.

I'm not seeing how it would decimate her ranks but I know that they would probably take each other out destroying almost everything. At least imo.

Unless can you explain what you mean?

 

[Liquid Snake]

Not wanting confrontation doesn't mean you're weak if thats the case shanks and BB are the weakest and even without confirmation we know thats false however i do believe bm and kaido are feared because they are the longest active yonkos they have experience so of course BM will feel she needs more added to her army to offset the experience factor with kaido and vise versa as kaido was building a zoan army imo bm and kaido are top yonkos because of their longevity

 

[Olorin]

I mean that didn't stop Shanks from having a little fight with Kaido prior to the paramount war so I don't think ranks have much to do with it. Pre timeskip Yonkous were at a constant deadlock with each other fighting for territories that had clues hinting Raftel's location.

I'm not seeing how it would decimate her ranks but I know that they would probably take each other out destroying almost everything. At least imo.

Unless can you explain what you mean?

we have no idea what happened between Shanks and Kaido, but from what we can gather it seems it didn't go past a brief confrontation otherwise Shanks and his crew wouldnt have arrived at MF unscathed, if at all. That brief little whatever it was in no way equates becoming the Pirate King, which is what BM said would ahve happened had she had the giants, so I really dont know why you would make that comparison. By her ranks i meant her crew, which would definitely suffer losses fughting any of the other yonko, likely making it impossible to go fight a second one and she would need to defeat 3 if she wanted to be the Pirate Queen. The yonkos dont fight eachother all the time, they can't. If they really went after another yonko both sides would be weakened similar to a mini Marineford, it would be better to imagine the conflict bwtween the more as a cold war, some border skirmishes over far away resources and espionage to try and gaint he upper hand, but the nukes (the Yonko) stay out of anything major because no one want an all out war.

but even if u dismis all fo the above it still comes down to the point u made, that Big Mom ''admitting'' she cant become the pirate queen without the giants means she cant fight another yonko. thats a pretty stupid point given that 3 does in fact not equal 1nor does fighting 1 yonko equal becoming the Queen of the Pirates.

 

[kiiro]

I think it is just becuase everyone is already going to Wano. And if Big Mom was first then it will just be Luffy and not Law and Luffy.

Also, Luffy said he alone was gonna take Big Mom while Kaido was gonna get defeated by Law and Luffy.

 

[kiiro]

"A mom is the strongest being in one piece, even stronger than kaido"

What other mom could oda have been talking about? And this was said after the whole bet on kaido thing.

Ty and big mom solos -.- not really but I can post something just as stupid as you can

When did he said that?

 

[UNDFTD]

Kaido needs to repay a lifetime long favor, it was something huge I suppose. Kaido tells her if she comes over to Kaido, he'll straight up kill her. But then later on BM says she wants to team up like back in the day.

So idk, it seems like neither is afraid of the other, but there's a huge favor Kaido needs to repay.

 

[KCN]

Kaido does have scars, but at the same time he's extremely suicidal so he's more than likely risked his body a lot more than BM has. I can imagine this guy fighting Garp and Sengoku at once or some shit like that or maybe Kong and Sengoku and losing.