The Yata Mirror is not invincible.

[khaydz5]

gaaras sand was broken through like a couple episodes after it was introduced against lee. like i said some things hould be taken literally and some as an expression this is the latter of the two. Itachis mirror was never broken and now that hes dead with it its pretty safe to say nothing will ever break it dont you agree?
it wasnt penetrated, itachi died with it. IT wont be penetrated thats pretty easy to understand right?

who believed that susanoo couldnt be destroyed? only an idiot would have believed that.

lol so we would choose what will we take literally and what not? and because you like itachi of course you will think yata mirror is invincible. yata mirror was never up against a strong attack as tbb. all it did block is just a kunai with paper bomb, sasuke's sword and the hydra heads, not much IMO, compared to gaara's sand it was able to block amaterasu that was said to be as hot as the sun. bottom line is, since yata mirror was never up against really strong attacks no one can assume its invincible. one or more attacks out there will able to break it.

 

[Bijuu mode naruto]

The Yata Mirror was carried by Itachi's Susanoo in its left hand and is considered one of the three sacred treasures. It is said to be endowed with all nature transformations and as such changes its own characteristics depending on those of the attack it receives, making the technique ineffective. (from Naruto wikia)

What would happen if it was by a kekkei Tota like Onoki dust release which use Earth,
Wind and fire how would the Yata mirror defend against that

 

[ImNoOne]

It's sad how this thread had to be made for people to understand......

True. That's why I think this forum is particularly rich in retards and idiots.

 

[PrakatusPrime]

Kabutowari sword. Misunderstood its hype you have

 

[cabby007]

this reminds of of the third raikage. He had ultimate defense and ultimate weapon. In the end, the weapon broke the defense

 

[UchihaMifune]

Ok, well lets go off of that hyperbole then. Forget he ever said it repels anything. Now look at that databook entry you posted again, and read the bottom left corner. Its not that Kishi said that it blocks ANYTHING, Kishi has said that the mirror can change its properties to block an attack based on its own properties (ie. Yata changes to water affinity for fire attack), and so can block all ninjutsu, taijutsu, kenjutsu, and genjutsu. THAT is not a hyperbole, its a detailed explanation that came from kishi's own mouth

 

[teetooktier]

Well that goes to show you that you can't apply real-world logic to Naruto. Something "without physical form" shouldn't be able to deflect any solid object, since you need force to canel out force, and a stationary object can only cancel out the force of a moving object if it has enough density, but without any physical matter, the yata mirror, by logic, shouldn't be able to deflect sasuke's sword since it doesn't have any phyiscal matter to maniuplate in order to cancel out the force of the blade. You can't have force without matter, and you can't have matter without force, so the yata mirror shouldn't even be able to deflect physical things BY IT'S OWN DEFINITION. But as you pointed out, it can.

I think this all boils down to Naruto is a fictional manga, and some things just aren't going to make sense with the real world :shrug:

Matter is not required to generate force in Naruto. Shinra Tensei, Bansho pull, Gaara moving sand, and Iron sand techs are proof of this. In other words, Yata Mirror does not need to have a physical form to stop a physical object, given that it's nature can change.

 

[Icelerate]

Some people are saying that Yata Mirror literally reflects all attacks. If that is the case, even the S06P or the Juubi can not destroy it right? I think the only attacks that may destroy it are the Kyubbi's or the Juubi's tailed beast bomb or maybe jinton.

Anyway good thread +rep.

The databook also claimed that whoever faces Sasuke in a battle will lose. This is also a hyperbole.

 

[Eisenpelz]

ok that with the good thread i take back,
until its original author is clearer to me...

You do realise that he may very well be the same guy who made that other thread, right?

and assumed that the author did post that thread in two forums under two different names.
why then wait more than a year to do the second?
and why then these slight changes in the layout or the names??

still my contribution to the topic remains:

but after thinking about it myself, there is one very simple thing noone has thought about.
and what ends that discussion.
so the essence about the yata mirror is that noone and nothing can overcome it.
so the one known thing that defeats the mirror is known to us all.
right now it goes by the name tobi, since he claims to be noone! ;-)

now eat this

 

[AngryRock]

Then why did Zetsu say because of what Itachi had his susanoo is invincible? Also the last time I checked mirrors cannot be affected by genjutsu.(in a way beings get affected)

 

[Joki]

lmao as i remember itachi was completely fine when hit with kirin?
when in the manga has it been said haku moves at lightspeed im sorry but if you read the databook and believed haku moved that fast then you need to see your way out of narutobase. im pretty sure not everything kishi writes is to be taken literally and he doesnt expect the readers to be dumb enough to do this but here you are taking everything he has written in the databook literally. Should he no longer use metaphors? should he no longer make riddles or plots and just tell everything straight away? since you would like to take every word literally?

how is zetsu an unreliable source? when has he lied? if kishi put him in the point of view to where he was basically "commentating" on the fight why in the world would he have him lie to us? really your starting to make me embarrased for you. So kishi puts zetsu in to say how invincible the two weapons are to have him lie? everything that has ever went up against the yata mirror has been repelled or do you have to have it actually "stated" of course zetsu the person who explained THE ENTIRE LEGEND OF THE BLADE AND MIRROR KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT THEM. please just go

Nope, actually Itachi was far from fine and he was lying flat on the ground and there was no Susano'o in sight. Because it was destroyed by Kirin.

Why are you using good "Don't take things so literally" logic when you're trying to use "Yata Mirror defends against all attacks" statement FROM THE DATABOOK? I don't know what you're trying to do here, but you still haven't posted a thing towards the "countless times" it was apparently stated. I guess you were just BSing and it was never actually said? Because I thought so

Right so Naruto saying "Gaara>3rd Raikage" is valid despite never having seen him fought since Part 1. I don't care if Kishi is commentating for the character, they're still limited to their knowledge. What has Zetsu seen? attacks that casually blow up mountain ranges be deflected by Susano'o? Because he's going to have to have seen that to even REMOTELY claim that it can defend against "anything", and you know that's complete bull-shit. Don't (wildly) assume things.

I'm tired of arguing about this. Yata Mirror has a special description about how it deflects all attacks. Unless you can get around this Yata Mirror can repel all attacks. Why is that so hard to understand?

So basically concession accepted and you have absolutely no way to prove the things you said? "Nah im tired of debating ur stupid" looool

 

[Troyg39]

Matter is not required to generate force in Naruto. Shinra Tensei, Bansho pull, Gaara moving sand, and Iron sand techs are proof of this. In other words, Yata Mirror does not need to have a physical form to stop a physical object, given that it's nature can change.

that's what I just said lol. Naruto's rules don't match up with the real world

 

[Tazzilla88]

Consider this in Kamui's description it says no defense is possible

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Kabutowari says it breaks through any defense

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The threading needle is said to pierce all

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Both of these contradict the yata mirror
If Amaterasu was as hot as the sun the samurai whose armor was consumed by the flames would have died immediately without ever being touched.

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In fact anyone in the same building should die from being near Amaterasu. The sun's tempature varies (depending on which part we're talking about) between 6700 degrees Fahrenheit (4000 C) to 27,000,000 F (15,000,000 C) yet Jiraiya was able to get close to it.

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Raikage touched it

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My point being hype... hyperbole... is obviously being used. But you can't take it to be necessarily true as that creates impossibilities. Yata Mirror must have a limit.

 

[Dantee]

So basically concession accepted and you have absolutely no way to prove the things you said? "Nah im tired of debating ur stupid" looool

The things I've said are proven in the manga. Do you know how fkin read Joki. The Yata Mirror changes it's attributes to deflect all attacks. Thats how it fukin works. The only way to beat Yata is to get around how it works. -rep, for being a dummass.

Obviously you haven't seen my other posts because I was debating on this for about 3 pages. I don't care about this anymore. There is no way of knowing what attacks will and will not work on Yata Mirror head on. Attacks from under or behind is the best way to counter Yata Imo.

 

[The God of Wind]

No one ever said it was! It was said to be invincible in combination with the Totsuka Blade, not by itself.

 

[Joki]

The things I've said are proven in the manga. Do you know how fkin read Joki. The Yata Mirror changes it's attributes to deflect all attacks. Thats how it fukin works. The only way to beat Yata is to get around how it works. -rep, for being a dummass.

Obviously you haven't seen my other posts because I was debating on this for about 3 pages. I don't care about this anymore. There is no way of knowing what attacks will and will not work on Yata Mirror head on. Attacks from under or behind is the best way to counter Yata Imo.

You're right, you said it all in the bold. Which is why we don't assume retarded shit like "Since we don't KNOW that, nothing can break it until proven otherwise". That's horrible logic and commits about 47,000 fallacies.

>claims what he's said is proven in the manga
>when asked, refuses to get scans
Me thinks they don't exist son.

 

[iamdsixth]

You do realise that he may very well be the same guy who made that other thread, right?

hmm nice find, I wonder what iShodaime will say about this....



hmm also possible. Touche.. :ice:

Oh, so he's a cheap rip off... nice.

Ohhh! D@yum.

nope!I have the original author as a friend @ narutoforums

See what happens after being exposed of stealing a thread & claiming that they created it?... You remain silent for almost 48 hours when you originaly average 23 posts per day. (possibly created a new account by now)

 

[Saiyan Kammy]

....Yes? The thread is saying that the Yata Mirror is not invincible.

yes but its obvious nothing is invinvible. just because we havent saw a weak spot in the Yata Mirror dosent mean its indestructible.

 

[khaydz5]

Ok, well lets go off of that hyperbole then. Forget he ever said it repels anything. Now look at that databook entry you posted again, and read the bottom left corner. Its not that Kishi said that it blocks ANYTHING, Kishi has said that the mirror can change its properties to block an attack based on its own properties (ie. Yata changes to water affinity for fire attack), and so can block all ninjutsu, taijutsu, kenjutsu, and genjutsu. THAT is not a hyperbole, its a detailed explanation that came from kishi's own mouth

yeah what about jinton? shinra tensei? chibaku tensei? banshou tenin? kamui? tbb? amaterasu? 1 finger nikute? how would it change based on the properties of this attacks? -_-

and you're a retard if you think it will block an attack like genjutsu.

 

[Zato]

Sigh this stuff happens all the time in the manga. Here is an example...

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Kabuto says what??