the worst plot holes in naruto

[Cauzing]

Madara Suddenly Using Susano while being blind
-obito surving after Jùbi extraction

Obito using rinne tenseii, extracted from juubi still lives. Although i believe its the exception

he survived because as juubi host you gain an extrem lifepower. what do you think how hagoromo survived after spliting the juubi into 9 beasts?

 

[Mahesvara]

Black Zetsu having the ability to absorb a tailed beast

 

[RicardoA]

In a world where humans can spit fire, i'm sure there's a limited number of plot holes.
98% of the time a plot hole is found, its either an unimportant detail or something that wasn't properly explained.
Right now, other than Madara using Susanoo while blind, i can't think of anything else.

 

[Opiuchus05]

people need to realize that the definition of plot hole isnt when the story doesn't go how you want it to
there's not much plot holes in this thread most of these are people mad that the story didn't go how they wanted it to

 

[Prime Hiruzen]

Hiruzen not being revived in his prime

 

[Ultimateone]

madara being able to use susano with no eyes. him being blind would be one thing, but he didn't have the eyes, which is where the susano comes from as it is an eye technique.

 

[NarutoB]

Hiruzen not being revived in his prime

No Edo Tensei revives you the way you were when you died doesn't it?

So if anything Madara being revived in his prime is a plothole I think

 

[Jarex]

Minato being the fastest and "strong" Ninja alive but:

- couldn't save Naruto from the shinju tree.
- getting his ass kicked with taijutsu by madara.
- going out of chakra in edo tensei.

This ^^^ is just it. How can he run out of chakra in edo tensei on top he was in bijuu mode and said he is out of chakra

 

[SageOfTheTenPaths]

If i start the list now, i'll be finished by early 2015.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Madara Suddenly Using Susano while being blind

That's easily explained by the fact that the Rinnegan is called the God eye and Pein and Obito were able to channel its chakra into avatars via the gidou rods, which Madara had. His eyes were in the vicinity and he still possessed mental chakra so they likely resonated with him.

-obito surving after Jùbi extraction

That was explained by Hagoromo surviving when he created and extracted the bijuus from himself.

Obito using rinne tenseii, still lives.

Black Zetsu is keeping him alive as he stated.

Juugo pours his Senjutsu into Sasuke, which makes the Zetsus emerge.

Senjutsu is life energy from nature and the Zetsus are mokuton clones of Hashirama, the life force element.

Kabuto draws in Senjutsu into his own body using Juugo's ability, no Zetsus emerge.
That's the biggest one that sticks out to me.

Kabuto had zetsu's in him? I'm not saying he didn't, I'm just saying if he did I don't remember it.

Naruto being the host of the 9 beasts while Madara already has them.

Naruto has pieces of them, not the whole thing.

sasuke requires surgery and days to recover to gain itachis eyes, madara just forces his rinnegan back into his skull

He was having the two eyes fused together, not just putting them in. Furthermore, Madara has Hashirama's clone that heals. Kakashi was also able to use sharingan right after he had it put in.

Minato being the fastest and "strong" Ninja alive but:

- couldn't save Naruto from the shinju tree.
- getting his ass kicked with taijutsu by madara.
- going out of chakra in edo tensei.

No, he just saved the whole alliance was all by being connected to them through Narto's bijuu mode spread out to everyone.

Madara's eye is clearly as fast if not faster than FTG seeing as he was able to dodge and block Tobirama several times.

1.Rock lee vs garra (he could've won but garra had to fight ssasuke for the rest of plot)

Lee only had the first four gates at the time and Gaara had a bijuu.

2.Gai vs madara (gai should've cont the first attempt of evening elephant to punch him to the earths core but plot made gai body give a shock so he stopped the first try and madara slew out the whole)

Eight gates strains the user after a while.

3.And kakashi vs kakuzu (he could've use many more jutsu but had to protect ino couji, and naruto had to show off his rasenshurikan)

That isn't a plot hole, it's your personal distaste for the direction. Kakashi used plenty of jutsus in that fight.

4. Gai vs madara ( night guy to the ribs and not the head

Assuming Madara did not move in time for him not to.

oh and also, why Hagoromo is fully aware that his sons are reincarnated every generation but hasn't met with any of them before Naruto and Sasuke

They haven't been reincarnated every generation. The only others before Naruto and Sasuke were Hashirama and Madara, who were at odds with each other and died separately at different times unlike naruto and Sasuke. Hagoromo wanted to give them both his power and Sasuke unlike Madara was worthy because he is working with the alliance and not antagonistic.

Sasuke and Naruto not being dead...

This isn't a plot hole. Naruto has Uzumaki blood that let him live a little longer after the extraction and Sakura used her chakra and medical jutsu to keep his heart going. Sasuke was saved by Kabuto's medical jutsu and Hashirama cells.

Obito not being dead.

Obito's life has been saved by Hashirama's cells, being the juubi host like Hagoromo and black zetsu keeping him alive.

No one using hand seals in part 2.

Several used hand signs. Kishimoto likely stopped illustrating them constantly because it became repetitive. Furthermore, several shinobi can do it faster than the eye can make out.

Still a plothole & BS for me u_U .

Well you're half right.

Black Zetsu having the ability to absorb a tailed beast

Zetsu is a Hashirama clone and a piece of the gidou mazou and absorbed chakra throughout the war arc. That was his ability and purpose.

Hiruzen not being revived in his prime

That's not a plot hole, It's your personal disdain that something did not happen.

No Edo Tensei revives you the way you were when you died doesn't it?
So if anything Madara being revived in his prime is a plothole I think

It has never been stated it revives people as the way they were when they died. Sasori was revived as a human rather than a puppet with organs.

Now on to the real plot holes...

1) Kakashi using mass shadow clones.
-best I can think of was that it was a genjutsu

2) Kakashi not using Kamui to help Hiruzen in Orochimaru's rebellion
-Best I can figure is that he didn't know how to use it well at the time

3) Itachi telling Sasuke to kill his best friend
-Best I can figure was Itachi was watching him the whole time in case he planned to and would have stopped it or knew Sasuke enough to know he wouldn't do it.

4) Itachi harming Sasuke with Tsukuyomi.
-Best I can figure was he knew Tsunade was near

5) Deidara not feeling much Pain when he lost his arms.
-Best I can figure was his arms were artificial since they had those strange mouths and could consume lots of clay.

6) Sasuke about to use Kirin in the Sai arc when the conditions were not set
-Best I can figure was it may have been a different technique, possibly a chidori stream.

7) Origins of the Jashin jutsu.
-more like unelaborated content than a plot hole I suppose

8) Sasuke able to summon Manda, cast a genjutsu on him and hide in him just moments before Deidara's C0 explosion when he supposedly had no chakra left and was struggling to activate sharingan. Further on, Orochimaru unable to surface since he did when Sasuke's chakra was low in his fight with Itachi.
-Best I can figure was he used his curse mark as a boost, which he deactivated before the explosion.

9) Sasuke creating Kirin using the atmosphere's energy when he was not using his curse mark and did not have senjutsu.
-Best I can figure was the chakra from his Katon technique he shot up stayed there, though it wouldn't explain how it was converted to lightning, unless curse mark played a part in it, which I believe he had activated when he shot it.

10) King of Hell could restore wounds, yet Nagato did not use it on himself after the gidou rods impaled him, yet he was able to as an edo.
-The best I can figure was he needed the gidou rods in him to manipulate the avatars and wished to remain in solitude and in that condition as a reminder of his tragedies. That, or it only worked on dead avatars.

11) Pein not being able to switch the paths in the avatars anytime he wanted.
-Best I can figure was the avatars had specific chakras only for the specific path they were given.

12) Pein was unable to activate or at least did not use Madara's EMS.
-Best I can figure was Madara left it in the Rinnegan state and thus Nagato could not activate the sharingan.

13) If Koto Amatsukami is a permanent genjutsu, why was it Mifune was able to recover from it when Danzou cast it on him?
-I have no explanation

14) If Koto Amatsukami was a one time use, how was Danzou is able to use it more than once?
-Best I can figure was he did not use it's full power on Mifune

15) Orochimaru, Danzou, Obito, Madara and Kabuto cloned Hashirama, but for some reason did not clone any Uchihas or resurrect the whole clan via edo tensei.
-Best I can figure was all their bodies were incinerated by Danzou after he and Obito collected all their eyes or they feared their power and a revolt.

16) Blaze release sounds like a Kekkei Genki and is even stated to possess more than one element, yet only appears to be Sasuke manipulating Amaterasu.

17) Obito able to control Yagura with Genjutsu when Yagura was stated to have harmonized with the three tails and thus been immune to genjutsu.
-Best I can figure was that Yagura didn't harmonize with his bijuu and that it just seemed like he did due to Obito controlling them both, though that's a bit far-fetched.

18) Obito not bringing his sharingans for safe keeping and the use of Izanagi when entered the war.
-I have no explanation other than Kishimoto not wanting to repeat the plot device or Obito wishing to clone the whole clan

19) Obito resisting Madara's control over him the first time
-My best bet is that Obito had the real Rinnegan and thus could overwrite it, however he was immobile the second time due to the bijuus being extracted.

20) Hashirama and Tobirama still looking young when they died even though they were inn their fifties.
-no explanation other than being senjus with strong yang energy and vitality, prolonging age as well as medical jutsu like Tsunade's which keeps her looking young.

21) Where the Senjus went.
-My guess is they mated with other clans of Konoha and formed separate families

22) How Hashirama died
-My guess is his battle with Madara left him weakened and he was killed by the first Raikage

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Practically everything Madara get's a powerup from.

 

[Florio]

J-man not using sage mode during his fight with Orochimaru (naruto's life was on the line, you think he would get serious). He never used sage mode until pein.

Basically anything Madara has done, from implanting eyes with no surgery, to blind susanoo.

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Minato not holding his Kunai while doing FTG

Are you saying he needs to hold a Kunai to teleport to ANOTHER kunai? Because so far, he hasn't really held one to move to his location...

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- Done with no arms...

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- a regular kunai.

Itachi defeating Orochimaru

How is it a plothole...?

When was that?

OT: That moon shit, I'm still not sure if it is or not but it's confusing either . And Madara Susanoo with no eyes

Somewhat agreed, because its stated to be an eye power and Madara would've likely died in that situation if he couldn't manage to pull it out of his ass, but seems more hax to me.

Madara Suddenly Using Susano while being blind
-obito surving after Jùbi extraction

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Juugo pours his Senjutsu into Sasuke, which makes the Zetsus emerge.
Kabuto draws in Senjutsu into his own body using Juugo's ability, no Zetsus emerge.
That's the biggest one that sticks out to me.

This one is probably just a forgotten detail. Not really a plothole. Zetsu's are pretty insignificant.

sasuke requires surgery and days to recover to gain itachis eyes, madara just forces his rinnegan back into his skull

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We can figure it out lol.

oh and also, why Hagoromo is fully aware that his sons are reincarnated every generation but hasn't met with any of them before Naruto and Sasuke

I wonder about this too. Maybe none are "worthy"? However, while agreed, the plot is about Naruto striving to become Hokage and bring peace to the world. I can't really consider this a plothole because the plot does not center around the past lives.

No one using hand seals in part 2.

Kind of took away that part I magic didn't it? But definitely more hax...

Black Zetsu having the ability to absorb a tailed beast

He didn't absorb it, he just jumped in the way of Minato's sealing technique. If he could absorb Bijuu's the manga woulda ended pretty quickly.

Hiruzen not being revived in his prime

Nagato was not either. Madara only was because...

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Now on to the real plot holes...

1) Kakashi using mass shadow clones.
-best I can think of was that it was a genjutsu

2) Kakashi not using Kamui to help Hiruzen in Orochimaru's rebellion
-Best I can figure is that he didn't know how to use it well at the time

3) Itachi telling Sasuke to kill his best friend
-Best I can figure was Itachi was watching him the whole time in case he planned to and would have stopped it or knew Sasuke enough to know he wouldn't do it.

4) Itachi harming Sasuke with Tsukuyomi.
-Best I can figure was he knew Tsunade was near

5) Deidara not feeling much Pain when he lost his arms.
-Best I can figure was his arms were artificial since they had those strange mouths and could consume lots of clay.

6) Sasuke about to use Kirin in the Sai arc when the conditions were not set
-Best I can figure was it may have been a different technique, possibly a chidori stream.

7) Origins of the Jashin jutsu.
-more like unelaborated content than a plot hole I suppose

8) Sasuke able to summon Manda, cast a genjutsu on him and hide in him just moments before Deidara's C0 explosion when he supposedly had no chakra left and was struggling to activate sharingan. Further on, Orochimaru unable to surface since he did when Sasuke's chakra was low in his fight with Itachi.
-Best I can figure was he used his curse mark as a boost, which he deactivated before the explosion.

9) Sasuke creating Kirin using the atmosphere's energy when he was not using his curse mark and did not have senjutsu.
-Best I can figure was the chakra from his Katon technique he shot up stayed there, though it wouldn't explain how it was converted to lightning, unless curse mark played a part in it, which I believe he had activated when he shot it.

10) King of Hell could restore wounds, yet Nagato did not use it on himself after the gidou rods impaled him, yet he was able to as an edo.
-The best I can figure was he needed the gidou rods in him to manipulate the avatars and wished to remain in solitude and in that condition as a reminder of his tragedies. That, or it only worked on dead avatars.

11) Pein not being able to switch the paths in the avatars anytime he wanted.
-Best I can figure was the avatars had specific chakras only for the specific path they were given.

12) Pein was unable to activate or at least did not use Madara's EMS.
-Best I can figure was Madara left it in the Rinnegan state and thus Nagato could not activate the sharingan.

13) If Koto Amatsukami is a permanent genjutsu, why was it Mifune was able to recover from it when Danzou cast it on him?
-I have no explanation

14) If Koto Amatsukami was a one time use, how was Danzou is able to use it more than once?
-Best I can figure was he did not use it's full power on Mifune

15) Orochimaru, Danzou, Obito, Madara and Kabuto cloned Hashirama, but for some reason did not clone any Uchihas or resurrect the whole clan via edo tensei.
-Best I can figure was all their bodies were incinerated by Danzou after he and Obito collected all their eyes or they feared their power and a revolt.

16) Blaze release sounds like a Kekkei Genki and is even stated to possess more than one element, yet only appears to be Sasuke manipulating Amaterasu.

17) Obito able to control Yagura with Genjutsu when Yagura was stated to have harmonized with the three tails and thus been immune to genjutsu.
-Best I can figure was that Yagura didn't harmonize with his bijuu and that it just seemed like he did due to Obito controlling them both, though that's a bit far-fetched.

18) Obito not bringing his sharingans for safe keeping and the use of Izanagi when entered the war.
-I have no explanation other than Kishimoto not wanting to repeat the plot device or Obito wishing to clone the whole clan

19) Obito resisting Madara's control over him the first time
-My best bet is that Obito had the real Rinnegan and thus could overwrite it, however he was immobile the second time due to the bijuus being extracted.

20) Hashirama and Tobirama still looking young when they died even though they were inn their fifties.
-no explanation other than being senjus with strong yang energy and vitality, prolonging age as well as medical jutsu like Tsunade's which keeps her looking young.

21) Where the Senjus went.
-My guess is they mated with other clans of Konoha and formed separate families

22) How Hashirama died
-My guess is his battle with Madara left him weakened and he was killed by the first Raikage

1. It was likely basic Bunshin, nothing solid.

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Even says "Kakashi style".

2.

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Says "developing brilliant new jutsu"

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New Sharingan. He passed out after the Rin incident, so he unlikely remembered he awakened it.

3. Agreed, but not really plot. Just kind of.... mean?

4. I think he wanted to put Sasuke back into the path for power as he was starting to frolic around with his teammates. Was to re-install his hatred by making him relive the massacre.

5.

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I think it's more or less supreme endurance, rather like how ninja are strong enough to jump tree to tree, hold humans up with one hand, etc.

6. This was weird too. Maybe more hax, or Kishi didn't develop Kirin enough by that point.

7. Agreed.

8. Or, because he was somewhat of an "Orochimaru Jinchuuriki" (lol), he might've used his chakra.

9. Too much science involved for me to explain this. He wasn't using natural energy more-so than guiding it.

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Hope this helps.

10. Gedou Mazo hasn't been shown healing living people, just Nagato's dead bodies.

11. That is weird, but not a plothole.

12. Kakashi has the same problem, transplanted eyes don't seem to be able to switch back to anything unless you count Kakashi's MS.

13. It's not permanent, it's just able to make it seem as if you are doing what the Genjutsu wants you to do of your own accord.

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14. And this explains why Danzo could use it more.

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15. Never though about that one.

16. Never stated to be more than one element outside of Naruto wiki. Just looks like good Amaterasu control.

17. Isobu may not have realized Yagura was being controlled.

18. Yeah, where the **** are those Sharingans? Lol I know in the lab, but not mentioned since seen...

19. Obito had Rinnegan, Uchiha and Senju chakra. Strong chakra seems to resist control. Tobirama for a brief period overrode Orochimaru's control.

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-See Hiruzen struggle at bottom left.

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-Tobirama at this point wasn't,

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- read whole page "my cells increased restraint", but also Hashirama broke the restraint.

And here, Naruto, being an Uzumaki using SM and Kurama's chakra overrode Nagato's control.

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20. Where did it say they were in their fifties...? Tobirama died young...

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21. Agreed, likely integrated into other clans.

22. Why the first Raikage?

 

[DoubleKamui]

Lol I'm starting to wonder whether anyone knows the definition of a plot hole. Most of these are just events that people didn't want to see.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

J-man not using sage mode during his fight with Orochimaru (naruto's life was on the line, you think he would get serious). He never used sage mode until pein.

Tsunade drugged him and he could not mold his chakra well. To use senjutsu, you need to be able to mold your chakra.

Basically anything Madara has done, from implanting eyes with no surgery, to blind susanoo.

He has Hashirama's clone that heals. He didn't require surgery. And it's heavily implied his rinnegans were resonating with his chakra. This was what Pein did with the avatars using the gidou rods and Madara's body is full of them.

 

[kurisusama]

sasuke requires surgery and days to recover to gain itachis eyes, madara just forces his rinnegan back into his skull

he also grafted himself a new arm right before he implanted his eye. this might have something to do with the fact that he has hashiramas senjutsu/healing power.

 

[Chie]

Now on to the real plot holes...

2) Kakashi not using Kamui to help Hiruzen in Orochimaru's rebellion
-Best I can figure is that he didn't know how to use it well at the time

3) Itachi telling Sasuke to kill his best friend
-Best I can figure was Itachi was watching him the whole time in case he planned to and would have stopped it or knew Sasuke enough to know he wouldn't do it.

4) Itachi harming Sasuke with Tsukuyomi.
-Best I can figure was he knew Tsunade was near

6) Sasuke about to use Kirin in the Sai arc when the conditions were not set
-Best I can figure was it may have been a different technique, possibly a chidori stream.

12) Pein was unable to activate or at least did not use Madara's EMS.
-Best I can figure was Madara left it in the Rinnegan state and thus Nagato could not activate the sharingan.

13) If Koto Amatsukami is a permanent genjutsu, why was it Mifune was able to recover from it when Danzou cast it on him?
-I have no explanation

14) If Koto Amatsukami was a one time use, how was Danzou is able to use it more than once?
-Best I can figure was he did not use it's full power on Mifune

15) Orochimaru, Danzou, Obito, Madara and Kabuto cloned Hashirama, but for some reason did not clone any Uchihas or resurrect the whole clan via edo tensei.
-Best I can figure was all their bodies were incinerated by Danzou after he and Obito collected all their eyes or they feared their power and a revolt.

17) Obito able to control Yagura with Genjutsu when Yagura was stated to have harmonized with the three tails and thus been immune to genjutsu.
-Best I can figure was that Yagura didn't harmonize with his bijuu and that it just seemed like he did due to Obito controlling them both, though that's a bit far-fetched.

-Kakashi was stated to have no idea that he even had MS until pt2 and the first time we see him introduce it is when he and Naruto are pursuing Deidara. Meaning it was a little too late to help Hiruzen, he didn't even realize he had it back then.

-I feel like it is more of the bold. Anytime Sasuke felt like killing Naruto, he would get an image of Itachi saying those words in his mind and decide against it. Itachi lived with Sasuke for 8 years, it was probably reverse-psychology.

That and Obito did state that people thought that Madara stole his brother's eyes in order to get EMS. Perhaps that was written on the tablets at Nakano shrine and more on how to acquire MS, like seeing the death of someone close to you. Maybe the tablets are slightly mistaken in that regard and Itachi/Uchiha clan believed them. Itachi did tell Sasuke to read those tablets, so he would find out about it anyway. Also, Sasuke as a child asked Fugaku about the "strange eyes" Itachi had after seeing his MS, Fugaku replied that there was a requirement for them that Sasuke didn't want to know about. Perhaps Itachi believed it himself, considering that he knew his MS was triggered by Shisui's death, even though Itachi did not actually kill him, he witnessed his suicide. It seems the entire clan thought that you had to kill someone close to you in order to attain it.

Sasuke also did ask, so perhaps since Itachi knew that he had no best friend at the time, he didn't see a problem with informing him then. That and he was trying to sell the whole "I'm evil" thing and throught that statement he would cause Sasuke to believe that he killed Shisui, making him look more malevolent than before.

This isn't quite a plothole. There is a multitude of reasons honestly.

-Considering that Sasuke woke up as an 8 year old in the hospital fine, he would have woken up as a 13 year old too, had Tsunade been there or not, especially considering that he was stronger mentally. We don't quite know how long Tsukiyomi affects someone.

-I thought about this too. I guess it wasn't kirin.

-Madara probably did leave it in the Rinnegan state. Obito gave his eye to Kakashi in the sharingan state and he cannot turn it off, maybe the same rule applies here for Nagato and Madara's rinnegan.

-KA was never stated to be permanent. It was merely stated to be the most potent genjutsu and the victim would not know that they were under it. However, others can still see that their chakra is disturbed and break them out of it, just like any other genjutsu.

-It was stated that anyone with KA would only be able to use it once every ten years...unless you had Senju DNA which decreases the cool down time to a few hours. Which is what Danzo had.

-You don't need the full bodies for Edo Tensei, if Obito had wanted to he could have asked Kabuto to revive them. However, it was stated that Shisui and Itachi were the strongest of their generations in the Uchiha. If they had those two, perhaps they didn't feel it necessary to summon the other Uchiha. Too bad Kabuto could not find Shisui's DNA.

-I agree. It's safe to assume that Yagura and his bijuu were not on good terms with each other.

ot: Madara awakening susanno without eyes.

 

[vasu 32]

Oh well,so in the end,it's just a complain thread,where people who wanted something,didn't get it,and are calling those things as plot-hole. Seems legit !!!??

In the end there are only confusion,mis-interpretation and self ignorance,that's it.

Madara not requiring his eyes is because Susano'o doesn't require eyes to use,but just to awaken the chakra required to use,which later becomes a part of that person,eyes or no eyes.

Here's a definition of susano'o from wiki

Susanoo is formed through the materialisation of the user's chakra and as such differs in appearance as well as colour between users. While the user usually remains grounded within Susanoo, it is possible for them to freely move around within its body, as well as levitate inside of it.[3] The user can also allow others to enter Susanoo,[4] or leave its body entirely.[5] While Susanoo acts as a defence against external attacks, anything coming out of Susanoo will simply phase through it.

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Oh well,so in the end,it's just a complain thread,where people who wanted something,didn't get it,and are calling those things as plot-hole. Seems legit !!!??

In the end there are only confusion,mis-interpretation and self ignorance,that's it.

Madara not requiring his eyes is because Susano'o doesn't require eyes to use,but just to awaken the chakra required to use,which later becomes a part of that person,eyes or no eyes.

Here's a definition of susano'o from wiki

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These all insinuate the eyes are needed.

 

[NarutoB]

Damn eyesofthekyuubi soloed this shit