The whole itachi vs Obito debate

[Inert Brian]

Itachi > Orange Masked Tobi

Rinnegan Tobi w/ jins > Itachi.

Izanami can beat him, because just like Kabuto he was trying to be something he wasn't. If it worked in Kabuto's case, it works on Tobi. Scans provided by others above prove my point.

Tobi admits inferiority to Itachi after Itachi dies.

Konan with intel (yes prep time as well, and Obito needed her alive) forced Tobi to use Izanagi. You guys think the smartest guy in all of Naruto can't do the same?

People that claim Obito > Itachi think two things generally.

1. Obito is not constantly intangible, if that were the case then why could Minato hit Tobi? Surprise attacks are enough to get him. What do you know? An Amaterasu that he could anticipate hit him thanks to Itachi's trap.

2. Itachi blindly pulls out Susano'o like he's MS Sasuke and tries to wack him with Totsuka. Itachi is not an idiot...lol.

 

[Gaara Of The Death]

Manga never said that...

Even MS Onito still has control over Gedo Mazou

He said If I never kept secrets form him I would be dead...........you do know that equal to him killing Obito with intel.



Like your sig tho Jager making Squalo and Xanxus his *****es.​

 

[DigDug]

Such a Hippocrates thread saying Obito don't have any Genjutsu skill. Only Madara and Obito can boast the ability to control kyubi and Jubbi like pets. Only the likes of Obito and Madara can boast to cast Genjutsu upon Perfect Jinchuriki.
Heck itachi Tsukuyomi can only last for few seconds because after that He is will go blind. while Obito controlled yagura for years.

How can u compare a weak, desease ridden low chakra itachi to the person who fought whole 4th shinobi war virtually alone.
Obito survived Boulders when he was a kid. survived multiple rashingan from minato, survived a kunai slash from minato, survived a gaping hole in chest from kakashi chidori, survived black rods of madara, survied bijuu extraction , survived every thing the world has to offer.
while Itachi died of exhaustion after fighting a hebi sasuke. lol

powerscale difference is like sky and ground.

Lmao Thread/

 

[VongolaX]

Obito denying himself "I don't want be anyone"

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Kotoamatsukami>Kamui

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Good thing you post that scan...

After figuring out the maskman was not Madara, what did Obito tell naruto to call him?

It's right there in the scan...

Still following orders

I don't even need to get to the part where Itachi would need a physical sensation/contact before activating inzanami.

Hard to do when you have Gedo mazou smashing you into pieces.

Are you out of your mind?

Kamui>>KA

Try controlling someone in dimensions will ya.

 

[VongolaX]

He said If I never kept secrets form him I would be dead...........you do know that equal to him killing Obito with intel.



Like your sig tho Jager making Squalo and Xanxus his *****es.​

If he knew about senju DNA, ya he would of had trouble.

Even a konan knew the in and out of kamui and still Lost because he kept one thing a secret.

His body is the power of the S06P

Oh and thanks, Jagar did own them but Xanxus performing (forgot the word__) was really impressive.

Like your sig of Gokudera...

 

[Gaara Of The Death]

If he knew about senju DNA, ya he would of had trouble.

Even a konan knew the in and out of kamui and still Lost because he kept one thing a secret.

His body is the power of the S06P

Oh and thanks, Jagar did own them but Xanxus performing (forgot the word__) was really impressive.

Like your sig of Gokudera...

No doubt even with full intel Itachi would have a tough time.



Thanks Gokudera is a goon, tho Jager is useless if Bermuda is not with him.​

 

[UchiGod Itachi]

Good thing you post that scan...

After figuring out the maskman was not Madara, what did Obito tell naruto to call him?

It's right there in the scan...

Still following orders

I don't even need to get to the part where Itachi would need a physical sensation/contact before activating inzanami.

Hard to do when you have Gedo mazou smashing you into pieces.

Are you out of your mind?

Kamui>>KA

Try controlling someone in dimensions will ya.

He still denying his being "I don't wanna be anyone"

Kakashi asked Obito why was he rejecting his true inner self here

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of course pyschical contact is needed so trying to drag him in Kamui Dimension would be horrible for Obito that's when he can activate it ,Kakashi has a better chance using his.

He'd need to summon gedo manzo first when he does he'll be in the real world Kotoamatsukami Game Over try again lol

 

[VongolaX]

No doubt even with full intel Itachi would have a tough time.



Thanks Gokudera is a goon, tho Jager is useless if Bermuda is not with him.​

People believe that Itachi can't take on Nagato, if that so how can he take Obito?

Madara said before he died that even if you don't awaken the rinnegan he can still use Gedo Mazou.

After that he teaches him Uchiha kinjustu, Six path Justus, and Yin yang release because he is both uchiha/senju.

Itachi only has uchiha kinjustu, while Nagato has six path techniques, so how is MS Obito inferior to Itachi when he has both their powers?



Ya, I agree that I'm not a huge fan of Jager.

Just Xanxus, squalo, Yamamoto, and mukuro.

 

[VongolaX]

He still denying his being "I don't wanna be anyone"

Kakashi asked Obito why was he rejecting his true inner self here

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of course pyschical contact is needed so trying to drag him in Kamui Dimension would be horrible for Obito that's when he can activate it ,Kakashi has a better chance using his.

He'd need to summon gedo manzo first when he does he'll be in the real world Kotoamatsukami Game Over try again lol

You're still denying what Kakashi said

"Are you sure you don't actually want your past self to reject what you are now?"

Kakashi and naruto are trying to change Obito into what he used to be.

They're the once that are not excepting the current Obito.

Inzanami doesn't change people to become whatever the user desires, it changes those who can't except themselves.

Obito already did as soon as he left Madara on an order.

KA is useless when Obito can see the chakra of the user, especially when the command is to protect Konoha.

This is a vs. thread, Obito isn't attacking Konaha it is Itachi that he is after.

 

[Haizaki]

Obito wins against Itachi

 

[Rike Senju]

People talk of izanami as of itachi will have the time to prep it lol and others are misinterpreting the manga.

 

[UchiGod Itachi]

You're still denying what Kakashi said

"Are you sure you don't actually want your past self to reject what you are now?"

Kakashi and naruto are trying to change Obito into what he used to be.

They're the once that are not excepting the current Obito.

Inzanami doesn't change people to become whatever the user desires, it changes those who can't except themselves.

Obito already did as soon as he left Madara on an order.

KA is useless when Obito can see the chakra of the user, especially when the command is to protect Konoha.

This is a vs. thread, Obito isn't attacking Konaha it is Itachi that he is after.

Izanami was created for more then one purpose as a counter for Izanagi, punishes the users of Izanagi, Also to stop the arrogance of another.

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Itachi put the orders in it, what you think he can't change it?

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[VongolaX]

Izanami was created for more then one purpose as a counter for Izanagi, punishes the users of Izanagi, Also to stop the arrogance of another.

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Itachi put the orders in it, what you think he can't change it?

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That's why I posted that MS Obito won't use inzangi against someone with inzanami :|

Did you not read my 1-2 post?

Obito will never get caught in inzanami he isn't arrogant, the alliance was trying to change the current Obito.

It was the title of like three chapters already.

How can inzanami change what you truly are?

Itachi has never shown to change the command on KA, you're just assuming he can.

Obito can see Shishui's chakra, so it's all pointless.

 

[Strict]

Kabuto directly ascribed his feelings and attitude to Obito [

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]. There is no fundament on which the doubters could base their opinion. It appears that pure ignorance is the reason that you insist on your opinion, ignoring what others prove to you.

KA is useless when Obito can see the chakra of the user, especially when the command is to protect Konoha.

That's false, and it appears that you have a wrong understanding of Genjutsu. Going by this logic, anyone who sees Chakra, is immune to Genjutsu. It is based on a fundamentally wrong interpretation of what the Manga actually displayed. In fact, you can notice the Genjutsu by viewing the casters Chakra flow, but this maneuver was actually never done by those who were actually caught within the Genjutsu. Seeing the Chakra flow doesn't help if you are the one who is within the Genjutsu. Genjutsu is based on the casters ability to get access to the victims Chakra, in order to control it. The ability to see Chakra doesn't change it. Kotoamatsukami is the ultimate Genjutsu and was intended to put Sasuke under control - a user of the Eternal Mangekyo.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Itachi beats any Obito before he got Rinnegan and his Jinchuriki Paths.​

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[UchiGod Itachi]

That's why I posted that MS Obito won't use inzangi against someone with inzanami :|

Did you not read my 1-2 post?

Obito will never get caught in inzanami he isn't arrogant, the alliance was trying to change the current Obito.

It was the title of like three chapters already.

How can inzanami change what you truly are?

Itachi has never shown to change the command on KA, you're just assuming he can.

Obito can see Shishui's chakra, so it's all pointless.

Yet dodging the state made for Izanagi users your assuming he won't get caught

if that was the case why hadn't obito realized Shisui eye inside naruto the after period were Itachi gave it to him?

 

[eagle8]

Obito wins

 

[Enki420]

MS Obito?

Kamui
Mokuton
Katon
Gedo Mazou
Yin yang release (Small variant)
Six path Justu (through black rods/stake)
Uchiha kinjustu

Obito has uchiha and senju blood/powers

When you combined them both, you still get the power of the six paths.

Look at old Madara, he gave his rinnegan eyes and he connected himself to Gedo.

He had a powerful genjustu, he created Zetsu with yin yang release, and can manipulate Gedo to his leisure (which at this point is to keep him alive).

He said MS Obito not MS obito with spiral zetsu powers, no senju cells, no rinnegan obito, no moukton, no six path jutsu, and no gedo.

 

[narutokage99]

MS Obito > MS Itachi

 

[Enki420]

Obito will never get caught in inzanami he isn't arrogant, the alliance was trying to change the current Obito.
It was the title of like three chapters already.
How can inzanami change what you truly are?

First off of course hes arrogant hes trying to take over the world and kill everyone who disagrees with him, thats pretty much the definition of an arrogant mad man... Obito and Madara basically have the same attitude as my 6 year old neice who thinks the entire worlds revolves around her, and throws a giants fit(kinda obito and madara did with the 4th ninja war) everytime she doesnt get her way, they pretty much have the personalities of arrogant children. And Also your ignoring the fact that Obito has never bee n shown to know Itachi can use Izanami, Obito wasn't even there the one time it was shown being used in the manga, and since Obito does use inzangi in battle(as seen when he fought konan) I see no reason to0 assume he couldnt catch an arrogant child minded ninja like obito with izanami, especially since it was invented solely to be used on uchiha who had gone insane from sharingan powers, which obito had since after rins death all he cared about power and taking the world like a true arrogant sociopath. And Izanami would change him the same way kakashi and naruto changed his mind, by showing him what a ass he had become, and how he craps all over rins memory with his actions.