The whole itachi vs Obito debate

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Obito is a Izanagi user Izanami was made to counter it how would that even save obito ? the moment Itachi uses a shadow clone an uses Izanami its over it was clearly made for Izanami users.

On top of that Koto solo
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Obito is a Izanagi user Izanami was made to counter it how would that even save obito ? the moment Itachi uses a shadow clone an uses Izanami its over it was clearly made for Izanami users.

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Obito wouldn't use inzangi...
Full power of inzangi gives him the power to create what he wants in 10 minutes.

He's got mokuton for itachi
 
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Obito wouldn't use inzangi...
Full power of inzangi gives him the power to create what he wants in 10 minutes.

He's got mokuton for itachi

He doesn't need to use Izanagi to get trap in it just being a Izanagi user is the default.
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Izanagi for 10 mins wouldn't help as soon as you use it your dragged in.
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Obito would element is nothing compared to Yamato,Spiral Zetsu , Madara or Hashirama if he has unless Obito is in Spiral Zetsu
 

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For 1, getting past Obito's intangibility is by no means an easy feat. Naruto, Bee, Gai and Kakashi working together only managed to land 3 blows on the guy and that was only thanks to Kakashi's Kamui. Something Itachi doesn't have. Not to mention that it took Kakashi a while to deduce the abilities of Kamui, a prodigy himself. Regardless whether Itachi can figure out the weakness to Kamui does not equate to the fact that it's a tough ability to figure out, tough to fight against and Itachi does not have a great counter that Obito himself can't counter with Kamui. Sure it's one technique but the powerful thing about it is Obito's versatility and using the move. Incredible speed coupled with his reflexes to keep BM Naruto at bay and dodge Ei easily is proof that landing a blow is no easy feat, especially since Itachi isn't as fast as Naruto, Gai, Ei and arguably with Bee and Kakashi.

For 2, that's not the typical interpretation of that scan. When Itachi said only those with a Sharingan and be of Uchiha blood, that didn't mean only Sasuke, that meant for any Uchiha with a Sharingan and a MS only helps Obito's case. As for Izazami, Itachi has no idea on who the man behind the mask is. Pulling off Izanami on Obito is a wishful scenario in one case but Itachi wouldn't even know if such a genjutsu would be effective cause he has no idea about Obito like he did with Kabuto during his fight. Kabuto talks a lot while Tobi did not. He won't reveal of enough of his personality, ideals and such in a fight in this scenario.

I think Obito wins this mid-high diff but the arguments you used in this thread was flawed so if you wish to convince someone in the future, you may want to organize your thoughts better and back them up a bit more :)

Aand this...
 

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He doesn't need to use Izanagi to get trap in it just being a Izanagi user is the default.
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Izanagi for 10 mins wouldn't help as soon as you use it your dragged in.
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Obito would element is nothing compared to Yamato,Spiral Zetsu , Madara or Hashirama if he has unless Obito is in Spiral Zetsu

Obito is not going to get trapped in inzanami, Justu like that won't even work on him.

He knows who he is, and even DSM kabuto escaped that Justu.

Down sizing Obito's mokuton is poor-piss judgment on your part.

Obito was trying to surpress BM naruto's chakra, and it was growing all over him.

So that stupid assumption that Obito needed Zetsu-suit is false, especially considering the fact that Zersu said it was all Obito.

Obito still has Gedo mazou, six path Justu, and yin yang techniques to kill Itachi.
 

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i just want to mention izanami here as others posts have been countered... people are forgetting a basic requirement for casting izanami and that is you have to replicate a sensation in which you collide with opponent and because of kamui it's literally impossible as it's extremely difficult to touch obito and on top of that repeat the same scenario again.... not happening... but it will be a tough fight for obito as itachi is very smart...
 

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Working tactically, Itachi might be able to land a blow on Obito, for example with Amaterasu. Or he uses a Bunshin feint and causes his Bunshin to explode the moment Obito wants to absorb him. Konan managed to land a successful blow on him and made him lose an arm. Once he hits Obito with Amaterasu, he's done, as Izanagi isn't an option anymore since Itachi showed Izanami.

@VariaBoss, you get something wrong here.. Izanami was made for Izanagi, as it stops the user of Izanagi to escape his faith.

I consider that battle with MS, not Rinnegan Obito.
 

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i just want to mention izanami here as others posts have been countered... people are forgetting a basic requirement for casting izanami and that is you have to replicate a sensation in which you collide with opponent and because of kamui it's literally impossible as it's extremely difficult to touch obito and on top of that repeat the same scenario again.... not happening... but it will be a tough fight for obito as itachi is very smart...

So how is Obito suppose to kill Itachi if he doesn't hitting him or touching him?
 

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So how is Obito suppose to kill Itachi if he doesn't hitting him or touching him?

so you are saying itachi will purposely try to get warped twice just to try izanami??? obito doesn't need to touch itachi as he can outlast him... and without susano itachi won't last much longer...
 

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Working tactically, Itachi might be able to land a blow on Obito, for example with Amaterasu. Or he uses a Bunshin feint and causes his Bunshin to explode the moment Obito wants to absorb him. Konan managed to land a successful blow on him and made him lose an arm. Once he hits Obito with Amaterasu, he's done, as Izanagi isn't an option anymore since Itachi showed Izanami.

@VariaBoss, you get something wrong here.. Izanami was made for Izanagi, as it stops the user of Izanagi to escape his faith.

I consider that battle with MS, not Rinnegan Obito.

Like post before, what makes you think that Obito wil resort to Inzangi?

He has like how many other moveset that would kill itachi.

Obito wouldn't use an Uchiha technique on a Uchiha, and same vice versa.

Last, I cannot stress enough on what Obito incarnation that is being used here, read my first post before replying.

I wrote MS Obito, just read
 

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so you are saying itachi will purposely try to get warped twice just to try izanami??? obito doesn't need to touch itachi as he can outlast him... and without susano itachi won't last much longer...

False. Itachi doesn't need to go all out if he knows that Obito needs physical contact to warp him. Why keeping up Susanoo if Obito can't harm him while intangible? Itachi is one of the best when it comes to battle analysis, swift tactics and feints. If Konan managed to damage Obito that much, Itachi has also the potential to do it, without the Mangekyo Sharingan. Obito's only chance to win is, to warp the opponent. And if Itachi makes him warp his explosive clone, he can kill him.
 

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Obito is not going to get trapped in inzanami, Justu like that won't even work on him.

He knows who he is, and even DSM kabuto escaped that Justu.

Down sizing Obito's mokuton is poor-piss judgment on your part.

Obito was trying to surpress BM naruto's chakra, and it was growing all over him.

So that stupid assumption that Obito needed Zetsu-suit is false, especially considering the fact that Zersu said it was all Obito.

Obito still has Gedo mazou, six path Justu, and yin yang techniques to kill Itachi.

it was stated how many times obito denied himself
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Orochimaru statement if you except yourself all your pain & hurt izanami has nothing to build on

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Kabuto statement "Obito and I... We felt as though we lost our place in this world"
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Lmao but hurt much poor-piss wow so if I said Itachi Susanoo is nothing compared to Indra & Madara Susanoo so would that be a poor piss judgement or fact?

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it was stated how many times obito denied himself
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Orochimaru statement if you except yourself all your pain & hurt izanami has nothing to build on

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Kabuto statement "Obito and I... We felt as though we lost our place in this world"
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Lmao but hurt much poor-piss wow so if I said Itachi Susanoo is nothing compared to Indra & Madara Susanoo so would that be a poor piss judgement or fact?

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Still looking for a scan of Obito denying himself, because all I see are scans of Obito contemplating on what he could of been.

As far as the manga goes, those thoughts are not the current Obito.

Inzanami works on people who can't except themselves, not on people who regretted on taking another path.

So yet again, inzanami fails

Gedo Mazou GG
Mokuton GG
Human path GG
 

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And if Itachi makes him warp his explosive clone, he can kill him.

Obito would simply slip through the explosion by abandoning the dimensional transfer

 

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Still looking for a scan of Obito denying himself, because all I see are scans of Obito contemplating on what he could of been.

As far as the manga goes, those thoughts are not the current Obito.

Inzanami works on people who can't except themselves, not on people who regretted on taking another path.

So yet again, inzanami fails

Gedo Mazou GG
Mokuton GG
Human path GG

Obito not denying self you say

"Now i finally realized that faking one's name and letting others do everything... is different than entrusting something to ones comrades. i'm not you.
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How does going around claiming to be someone else not denying yourself XD

Kotoamatsukami solo no diff

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Manga say Itachi beats MS Obito with full intel. He loses to Rinnengan with Mazo and Jins tho, and Psuedo Jin Obito.
 

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Obito not denying self you say

"Now i finally realized that faking one's name and letting others do everything... is different than entrusting something to ones comrades. i'm not you.
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How does going around claiming to be someone else not denying yourself XD

Kotoamatsukami solo no diff

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It was simply an order... :|

Post what Madara said to Obito

Madara said that before he died, he told him to carry out his life as Madara the savior of this world.

He order Obito to become Madara, inzanami works on the conscious and how you except yourself.

So again, Inzanami fails...

Itachi didn't even know that Obito wasn't Madara anyway.

Kamui sh*ts on Koto GG
 

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Manga say Itachi beats MS Obito with full intel. He loses to Rinnengan with Mazo and Jins tho, and Psuedo Jin Obito.

Manga never said that...

Even MS Onito still has control over Gedo Mazou
 

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It was simply an order... :|

Post what Madara said to Obito

Madara said that before he died, he told him to carry out his life as Madara the savior of this world.

He order Obito to become Madara, inzanami works on the conscious and how you except yourself.

So again, Inzanami fails...

Itachi didn't even know that Obito wasn't Madara anyway.

Kamui sh*ts on Koto GG

Obito denying himself "I don't want be anyone"
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Kotoamatsukami>Kamui
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