[Discussion] The Village of The Bloody Mist

[AnimusOra]

I have been rereading these older chapters and this panel still has me a little confused about the Village of the Mist

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In here a shinobi states Village of The Bloody Mist? The whole time I have been reading this manga i was under the impression that Obito was the one who corrupted the village and was the one responsible for allowing it to be called The Bloody Mist. My real question about this is, what did Obito(Tobi) do when he controlled the Mizukage? Is he only responsible if any for creating the swords for the swordsmen?

Has anyone else wondered about this as well?

 

[Lyke]

i think he killed everybody who was weak

 

[Saikyokami]

that village was known as the bloody mist for ages... just saying

 

[AnimusOra]

i think he killed everybody who was weak

But then who is responsible for the Bloody Mist?

 

[Lyke]

But then who is responsible for the Bloody Mist?

obito controlled yagura and maybe he said the villages name will be bloody mis. i dont know either

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[BREAKD]

I too think it was know as the bloody mist village for a long time.

 

[Strata Uchiha]

obito controlled yagura and maybe he said the villages name will be bloody mis. i dont know either

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I'm also gonna say this is a plothole if this isn't an illusion cast by Madara.

Or after the Second Mizukage's reign, everything for the Mist Village went down hill.

 

[zerosama]

The Mist Village was given the name "Bloody Mist" when during Yagura's reign as the 4th Mizukage. According to the manga, Yagura was controlled by genjutsu forcing him to implement some crazy shit policies such as the academy graduation to Genin requirement of killing your classmates. At that time, Zabuza killed over 100 of his classmates which made him eligible to graduate from the Academy at age nine. If I remember correctly, Zabuza and Kakashi were both 26 in part 1 according to the databooks. Kakashi and Obito are the same age as well. So if Zabuza was nine when he graduated, Obito should've been nine at that time, but the thing is Obito met Madara at age 13 when Kakashi became jonin also at the age of 13. So that would mean chronologically, Obito didn't control the Mizukage meaning the Mist Village was the Blood Mist Village for a long time before Obito became Tobi. So it's either the real Madara that controlled him or it's just simply a plothole.

 

[Strata Uchiha]

The Mist Village was given the name "Bloody Mist" when during Yagura's reign as the 4th Mizukage. According to the manga, Yagura was controlled by genjutsu forcing him to implement some crazy shit policies such as the academy graduation to Genin requirement of killing your classmates. At that time, Zabuza killed over 100 of his classmates which made him eligible to graduate from the Academy at age nine. If I remember correctly, Zabuza and Kakashi were both 26 in part 1 according to the databooks. Kakashi and Obito are the same age as well. So if Zabuza was nine when he graduated, Obito should've been nine at that time, but the thing is Obito met Madara at age 13 when Kakashi became jonin also at the age of 13. So that would mean chronologically, Obito didn't control the Mizukage meaning the Mist Village was the Blood Mist Village for a long time before Obito became Tobi. So it's either the real Madara that controlled him or it's just simply a plothole.

So are you saying that Madara Uchiha (not Obito) was also manipulating Mizukage Yagura?

I wish we could see some flashback after Madara "died" to Hashirama.

 

[Oriver]

So are you saying that Madara Uchiha (not Obito) was also manipulating Mizukage Yagura?

I wish we could see some flashback after Madara "died" to Hashirama.

I Still think Madara was the 1st Mizukage

ORiver

 

[Thorium]

So are you saying that Madara Uchiha (not Obito) was also manipulating Mizukage Yagura?

I wish we could see some flashback after Madara "died" to Hashirama.

Judging from the hair shown when 'Madara' came out the shadows and showed himself to Kisame, it was Madara himself controlling Yagura, and not Obito.

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

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That's looks like madara to me.

 

[6PathsofKami]

It must be Madara then, he had years to do stuff inbetween the final battle against Hashirama and awakening the Rinnegan and staying in that cave.

 

[thegame]

Actually it is generally assumed that Yagura (4th mizukage) was the one, who stopped the era of the bloody mist. In other words he changed their academy graduation exam, which is what gave the village its nickname.

Not much is known about the hidden mist, however, some (incl. me) speculate, that Madara was the 3rd Mizukage.

If we think back to when Madara had a small fight with Onoki and Mu, not long after this everybody think that Madara "died". What is clear, is that he disappeared. This could easily match the time, where Mu and 2nd Mizukage died fighting each other.

Taking this, and other known facts such:
1. The land hidden in the mist is an island.
2. They didn't participate in any wars according to raikage.
3. The 3rd mizukage has not been mentioned a single time in the manga.

I would believe, it was indeed Madara. He couldn't have been hiding on the main land all this time. Too much war, and anyone would recognize him at the time after his "death", since he was well known. So it's likely he controlled Kiri sort of the same way as Nagato controlled Ame. He probably couldn't do it any longer, when he grew too old, and then he had Obito continue that regime.

 

[chopstickchakra]

The Village of The Bloody Mist was what Kakashi called it wasn't it? Which to me implies that it was a title given by outsiders as a term of fear for the country, you follow? Which helps my other theory that Obito saw Rin being killed due to a genjutsu probably from Madara where he had a fake Mist ninja yell out Bloody Mist since that is what he knew them as when he was alive.

 

[-ahhimane-]

I guess Madara plays a role in this also.

 

[aimop95]

No one knows how long Madara was active after his defeat with Harashima.

 

[6PathsofKami]

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That's looks like madara to me.

What I dont get about that page is why Kishi decided to cut off Kisame's thoughts when we were about to see "Madara's" face surely it means there's more to it than it simply being Madara. Why not just show his face we know what he looks like already but we didn't know what Tobi looked like.

 

[reizerosystem]

The Mist Village was given the name "Bloody Mist" when during Yagura's reign as the 4th Mizukage. According to the manga, Yagura was controlled by genjutsu forcing him to implement some crazy shit policies such as the academy graduation to Genin requirement of killing your classmates. At that time, Zabuza killed over 100 of his classmates which made him eligible to graduate from the Academy at age nine. If I remember correctly, Zabuza and Kakashi were both 26 in part 1 according to the databooks. Kakashi and Obito are the same age as well. So if Zabuza was nine when he graduated, Obito should've been nine at that time, but the thing is Obito met Madara at age 13 when Kakashi became jonin also at the age of 13. So that would mean chronologically, Obito didn't control the Mizukage meaning the Mist Village was the Blood Mist Village for a long time before Obito became Tobi. So it's either the real Madara that controlled him or it's just simply a plothole.

I think Madara had control and passed it onto Obito

 

[Floydical]

I've said it before, but if there are any plot holes in Naruto, this would be the one.

First off, the pic where Kisame meets Yagura is pretty recent, from my estimates it can't be more than 16 years ago. Kisame is 32 in part 2 and is fully grown there, so thinking he's under 16 is crazy. Therefore, its impossible for that to be anyone but Obito, since Madara let himself die 16-17 years ago. The bottom line is that considering Kisame's age, there is no way that was Madara for real, he was hooked up to the mazou at that point.

Considering this, the only option is Madara took control of the mist well before he was hooked up to the mazou. But considering the history of the Mist, there is no way to put Madara on the scene because the whole bloody mist fiasco apparently happened when Zabuza was very young, ie before Obito became Tobi and at the point Madara was hooked up to the tree. The bottom line is that accounting for everything we know, there is no real way to explain this inconsistency.