The uzumaki will be confirmed to be the original blood line

[chardy]

Double facepalm, when the fail is so big that one face palm just isn't enough.

Uzumaki are from Senju Lineage. It is obvious that the diagram is simple and it goes like this :

Rikudo Sennin :

Elder and Younger sons
Uchiha and Senju
Madara and Hashirama

Uzumakies are just related to Senju, maybe Senju fcuked with another clan and Uzumakies were born I dunno, but main ones are Uchiha and Senju. MADARA/Tobi and a lot more of shinobi with tons of knowlage said that.

if both uchiha and senjus are sons of rikudo sennin as stated, why is that, that they have different family name?

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

Tim Jamison noticed that deadman basically said
"shut up meg"

Yes,yes i did lol Why are you the only voice of reason on this thread ? I mean they seem to know what naruto is or else they wouldn't be here on this base but something is telling me they they cannot read i hope this troubling epidemic doesn't spread too far.

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

OP dosent know what Lineage means, hes going against what the manga just stated.

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[Troyg39]

if both uchiha and senjus are sons of rikudo sennin as stated, why is that, that they have different family name?

They have different names because the sage split his bloodline traits between the two of them. Uchiha's got the visual abilities while Senju got the physical abililities. So neither side has the complete blood set of the sage, but if you put them both together, you get the complete package.

 

[Optimistic]

Yes,yes i did lol Why are you the only voice of reason on this thread ? I mean they seem to know what naruto is or else they wouldn't be here on this base but something is telling me they they cannot read i hope this troubling epidemic doesn't spread too far.

i'm just watching the show while toying around with my friend with a madara avatar
i became off topic after the first page sorry

 

[Meowazziel]

Why do uzumaki´s lack the eyes, if they are the complete package?

The sage was not the complete package before he became the juubi his host.
He became that package after it. That is why uzumaki in general lack the complete package, but are distant relative.
The uchiha and senju have part juubi powers.

 

[chardy]

They have different names because the sage split his bloodline traits between the two of them. Uchiha's got the visual abilities while Senju got the physical abililities. So neither side has the complete blood set of the sage, but if you put them both together, you get the complete package.

oh i see so their family names are just base on what they inherited from the sage, fact still tells us that they are both related with the same blood

 

[KevinPJH]

The fact that Naruto is an Uzumaki, means that Uzumaki will mean something more then just a clan.

 

[Troyg39]

oh i see so their family names are just base on what they inherited from the sage, fact still tells us that they are both related with the same blood

They are distant relatives yes, but I don't believe it's been stated that they have the same blood, although this could too be possible to a certain extent. They are branched from the same person, so they will always be connected that way. They could still share a faint blood connection, but it's not much as we know both senju and uchiha are capable of certain things because of their bloodline that the other can't do

 

[BlackBison]

I think you changed what zetsu said in order to fit what tou want to believe.
zetsu said,"Nagato is from senju lineage." He did not say younger son or elder son or So6p. He blantatly said senju lineage. As you stated lineage definition is a descent group that can demonstrate their common descent from an apical ancestor or a direct line of decent from an ancestor. Well the definition for descendant is a person, plant, or animal that is descended from a particular ancestor. Lineage and descendant mean the same thing. Like i said zetsu stated that nagato, a uzamaki, was of senju lineage. You have to remember madara and hashirama were not the first uchiha or senju, so it is very likely that before them a senju split and married someone outside his/her family thus creating their cousin clan uzamaki. This is just a theory.

Madara stated that you need both uchiha and senju dna in order to Unlock rinnegan. You do not need both in order to use the rinnegan. It was nagato's senju lineage blood which allowed him to be able to use gedo mazou. Nagato a uzamaki is of direct line of decent from senju or the uzamaki apical ancestor is senju not sage or elder/younger son. This is just using your definiton of lineage and plugging in certain words

I'll show you again just to make my point:

lineage definition is a descent group(uzamaki) that can demonstrate their common descent from an apical ancestor or a direct line of decent from an ancestor(senju).
Now i will plug in uzamaki and senju

It has already been shown that uchiha and senju are direct descendants from the elder and younger son, thus the chain of hatred between the two because of the decision the sage made. Nagato(uzamaki) is able to use gedo mazou because the uzamaki are of direct decent from the senju.

 

[Troyg39]

I think you changed what zetsu said in order to fit what tou want to believe.
zetsu said,"Nagato is from senju lineage." He did not say younger son or elder son or So6p. He blantatly said senju lineage. As you stated lineage definition is a descent group that can demonstrate their common descent from an apical ancestor or a direct line of decent from an ancestor. Well the definition for descendant is a person, plant, or animal that is descended from a particular ancestor. Lineage and descendant mean the same thing. Like i said zetsu stated that nagato, a uzamaki, was of senju lineage. You have to remember madara and hashirama were not the first uchiha or senju, so it is very likely that before them a senju split and married someone outside his/her family thus creating their cousin clan uzamaki. This is just a theory.

Madara stated that you need both uchiha and senju dna in order to Unlock rinnegan. You do not need both in order to use the rinnegan. It was nagato's senju lineage blood which allowed him to be able to use gedo mazou. Nagato a uzamaki is of direct line of decent from senju or the uzamaki apical ancestor is senju not sage or elder/younger son. This is just using your definiton of lineage and plugging in certain words

I'll show you again just to make my point:

lineage definition is a descent group(uzamaki) that can demonstrate their common descent from an apical ancestor or a direct line of decent from an ancestor(senju).
Now i will plug in uzamaki and senju

It has already been shown that uchiha and senju are direct descendants from the elder and younger son, thus the chain of hatred between the two because of the decision the sage made. Nagato(uzamaki) is able to use gedo mazou because the uzamaki are of direct decent from the senju.

I, along with many others have pointed this out to him. He doesn't listen to reason trust me. And he ignores manga facts that even he points out.But ***** for being able to understand simple concepts

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

This is the best i can do to simplify the diagram if you cannot understand it by now then i give up i guess it will have to be blatantly said aloud in the manga which i am sure will be soon until then peace out can't wait for the promised day where your fails will be directed back at you

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Hmmmmm seems very strange for the uzumaki clan leader to be older then the senju clan leader if they were indeed descendants of the senju,

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Lineage (evolution) individuals related by descent from a common ancestor.(JEEZ I WONDER WHO THIS COMMON ANCESTOR COULD BE THAT LINKS THE SENJU AND UZUMAKI)

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[Ninpou]

This is the best i can do to simplify the diagram if you cannot understand it by now then i give up i guess it will have to be blatantly said aloud in the manga which i am sure will be soon until then peace out can't wait for the promised day where your fails will be directed back at you

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Hmmmmm seems very strange for the uzumaki clan leader to be older then the senju clan leader if they were indeed descendants of the senju,

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Lineage (evolution) individuals related by descent from a common ancestor.(JEEZ I WONDER WHO THIS COMMON ANCESTOR COULD BE THAT LINKS THE SENJU AND UZUMAKI)

You must be ****ing dense, that diagram you made proves that your wrong, the uzumaki is a branch of the Senju hence Zetsu saying Nagato is of Senju lineage, not Senju and Uchiha lineage. Also, lineage is not evolution.

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

You must be ****ing dense, that diagram you made proves that your wrong, the uzumaki is a branch of the Senju hence Zetsu saying Nagato is of Senju lineage, not Senju and Uchiha lineage. Also, lineage is not evolution.

That is the evolutionary disambiguation for lineage you ****ing retard.I'm the dense one yet your the one trying to argue with me on a matter you clearly have no knowledge in.

 

[Foxdynamics]

i still think the Uzumaki is from the Senju and Uchiha babies lol real that would clear everything up i mean they would then have the correct blood to contain the rinnegan and use it that would explain there strong life force that would also explain why they are so over powered lol

 

[Troyg39]

This is the best i can do to simplify the diagram if you cannot understand it by now then i give up i guess it will have to be blatantly said aloud in the manga which i am sure will be soon until then peace out can't wait for the promised day where your fails will be directed back at you

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Hmmmmm seems very strange for the uzumaki clan leader to be older then the senju clan leader if they were indeed descendants of the senju,

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Lineage (evolution) individuals related by descent from a common ancestor.(JEEZ I WONDER WHO THIS COMMON ANCESTOR COULD BE THAT LINKS THE SENJU AND UZUMAKI)

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Hashirama and his era of Senju were not the first senju.. Just like Madara and his uchihas were no where near the first Uchiha. The Senju clan didn't start with Hashirama, so while that Uzumaki leader is older than Hashi, he isn't anywhere near the age of the original senju ancestors or the younger son. You proved your own ignorance with this response.

And for the last time. Zetsu said the Uzumaki were FROM the Senju lineage. Not that they were OF the Senju lineage. If they were of the senju lineage, that would mean that they would be parallel on the same heiarchy and both be of equal descent of the sage. And you would then be correct. But since zetsu said the Uzumaki are FROM the senju lineage, that would mean that they derived from the lineage known as senju, and they would be under them in the heiarchy. So until you can disprove Kishi's own writing, you are wrong. It's not that I don't see where you are coming from. It's that you don't see how blatantly obvious it is that you won't even address this simple manga fact because you know it disproves everything you are spitting

 

[Troyg39]

You must be ****ing dense, that diagram you made proves that your wrong, the uzumaki is a branch of the Senju hence Zetsu saying Nagato is of Senju lineage, not Senju and Uchiha lineage. Also, lineage is not evolution.

Lol this pretty much sums it up. Since the Uchiha clan is also a lineage to the sage, then that would mean they are related by descent of a common ancestor to the Uzumaki too. Meaning that zetsu would've said the Uzumaki are from the senju AND uchiha lineage. But he didn't, he singled out only the Uzumaki because they aren't related to the Uchiha just senju. Your diagram even says this, it just singles out the Senju and connects them to Uzumaki only. Yet the Uchiha are on that same line of lineage. So you actually proved yourself wrong with your own diagram lol

And lineage isn't evolution. Evolving is adapting/changing to better suit environments etc. In other words you get better with evolution. Lineage is more like de-evolution. As time passes you strongest traits water down and you get worse. I.E the sage being at the top, and his lineages being watered downed versions of his powers

 

[Prime Rib]

its already been confirmed senju is the heir of the bloodline of the sage, the uzumaki are descendants of the senju beccause they were married into vice versa and had offspring

 

[raziel777]

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I am so glad people are finally going to be forced to stop saying 'branch of senju' It was never stated that the uzumaki were a branch of senju but distant relatives although trying to make that clear distinction to most of the narutobase is like trying to talk to a deaf and blind person lol Anyway here in this chapter Madara pointed out you need uchiha and senju dna which Nagato has neither of.The specific relation between the uzumaki and senju was finally established.Even though it was never stated that they were a branch of senju which implies the senju came first people still seemed to think that i don't know why but they did.Now what new chapter reveals is that they are of senju lineage and lineage means a descent group that can demonstrate their common descent from an apical ancestor(original) or a DIRECT LINE of decent from an ancestor(A.K.A. SAGE OF SIX PATHS).I cannot stress enough how important that last line is.




Lineages are typically visualized as subsets of a phylogenetic tree. For example, the tree in Figure 1 shows the separation of life into three ancient lineages: bacteria, archaea, and eukaryotes. Thus a lineage is a SINGLE branch of the tree.
Now what this means is that the uzumaki WERE OF DIRECT DESCENT from the sage of six paths just as i had been saying for the several months now.This follows the science and genealogy of the progenitor gene of which i desperately tried explaining the importance of last week.The progenitor gene is something that cannot be replicated so when the sage gave birth to two sons his dna was split and the gene was lost now when you bring both strains of dna together you can once again reformulate the gene.Which is why everyone with senju and dna can unlock the rinnegan.This was finally proven correct this chapter as pointed out by madara.Now since nagato has neither dna and was still able to retain the rinnegan it means he has the dna required to hold the gene already.Here is a graph to better explain things.

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The beginning of the tree starts with the sage of six paths he gives birth to two sons which branch off into to distinct branches while the uzumaki branch is left untainted which finally proves that the uzumaki are the original blood inheritance of the sage.To all of those who were skeptical of the whole idea and were not sure of what to think before hand i hope this clears things up for you and as for the people who tried to disprove me wrong over the last year you can all SUCK IT.SUCK IT NICE AND HARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! XD

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This is what it basically means.I made this awhile back and not many people understood the diagram and even if people did i still needed proof but now it seems i finally got enough evidence for this diagram to be relevant again .

One thing : awesome sig

 

[Phantom Guardian]

the diagram threw me off. but that would be cool if he was. He's already powerful now, I want to see how much stronger he's gonna get.