The uzumaki will be confirmed to be the original blood line

[SavageD]

Just realized Madara said that the Hashirama cells did nothing until he almost died....Does this mean that the "enhancements" done by Kabuto was just a joke?...Probably why Madara asked Kabuto if he actually knew how he performed in his youth.

 

[theRPGdude]

Wow. Awesome. I can't even express my thanks. And you thought of this before hand. Wow.

 

[LO3]

No it won't.

 

[Ldude]

Disagree, its been hinted and somewhat comfirmed senju are the real descendants.

This, and your whole point is discounted when you account for different translations. It might not mean the same thing.

 

[orangenucklehead]

I suggest you look up what lineage means.Lineage means a descent group that can demonstrate their common descent from an apical ancestor or a direct line of decent from an ancestor.The ancestor being the sage of six paths i cant make it any simpler i made a diagram and everything your brain is a potato if anything

i agree with the definition but the way you just stated it makes it sound as if So6P had three sons. The common ancestor the two clans would share would be that of the youngest son of So6P.

 

[Hashirama Senju 48]

I cant believe he actually used a diagram for his demonstration LOLOLOLOL

 

[LO3]

I didn't understand anything in the diagram.

 

[Lux]

I am dumb >.> Cant understand shit ...

 

[TheWillofFire]

Uzumaki >>>> senju

Theres a reason why its naruto uzumaki and sasuke uchiha

 

[YowYan]

wow, imma rep/thank you just cuz you put that much effort into building this theory

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

i agree with the definition but the way you just stated it makes it sound as if So6P had three sons. The common ancestor the two clans would share would be that of the youngest son of So6P.

If i could help clear it up for you a little more think of it as The sage had two sons one inherited the special chakra through their eyes their powerr stemmed from the yin nature and held more of a connection to the tailed beast chakra which why they are able to control them with their eye and why all their justu have similarities to the juubi such as a ethereal creature suusanoo and by using a watered down version of creation of all things they can make perfect suusanoo which is when the is chakra stabilized(kinda like breathing life into imagination and the imagination being the ethereal suusano.(just like the sage did with the juubi)and the senju inheriting the longevity and strong body the yang nature nature of the sages chakra.the uzumaki is the clan the sage came from whose chakra retained the original characteristics of the clan while the two branches morphed what they took into their own.
but since the sage younger son believed in peace they still held close ties to their relatives the uzumaki.


people assume that if i am correct it would mean all uzumaki would have rinnegan and that is not the case they are putting words in my mouth even madara stated that he did not gain the rinnegan until he was about to die and said that it was not certain obito would unlock the rinnegan just because he had the dna.The uzumaki continued to be masters in the funninju and later one sometime during the first ninja war the uzumaki were all killed.I think madara knew that anyone who could extract and seal a beast
could damper his plans to capture all of them so he killed them.

 

[BlackBison]

This is the best i can do to simplify the diagram if you cannot understand it by now then i give up i guess it will have to be blatantly said aloud in the manga which i am sure will be soon until then peace out can't wait for the promised day where your fails will be directed back at you

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Hmmmmm seems very strange for the uzumaki clan leader to be older then the senju clan leader if they were indeed descendants of the senju,



Like many others have stated madara and hashirama weren't the first of their clan. What was stated was that out of all the clan members of each, these two were the most gifted and as such they are used to symbolize the uchiha and senju clan. Plus they are much closer to the starting point of naruto than any other ninja.

Zetsu said that nagato is of senju lineage. If kishi wanted to the uzamaki to be of the sage's lineage than the sage would need an extra son because so far, he only has two. So this leads me to present the facts of naruto:

Fact #1: Sage had only 2 sons.

Fact #2: These two sons were the originals of the Uchiha and Senju clan.

Fact #3: no uzamaki has ever awakened any sort special eye. Ex. Kushina, Mito, Naruto these people have neither a sharigan or a rinnegan.

Fact #4: Nagato didn't awaken the rinnegan he was given the rinnegan. In fact, if it wasn't for madara giving nagato those eyes he would have never unlocked them.

I mean if nagato could awaken the rinnegan, why would madara give him his eye.

Fact #5: Madara and Hashirama were not and I repeat were not the first of their clan.

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

This is the best i can do to simplify the diagram if you cannot understand it by now then i give up i guess it will have to be blatantly said aloud in the manga which i am sure will be soon until then peace out can't wait for the promised day where your fails will be directed back at you

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Hmmmmm seems very strange for the uzumaki clan leader to be older then the senju clan leader if they were indeed descendants of the senju,



Like many others have stated madara and hashirama weren't the first of their clan. What was stated was that out of all the clan members of each, these two were the most gifted and as such they are used to symbolize the uchiha and senju clan. Plus they are much closer to the starting point of naruto than any other ninja.

Zetsu said that nagato is of senju lineage. If kishi wanted to the uzamaki to be of the sage's lineage than the sage would need an extra son because so far, he only has two. So this leads me to present the facts of naruto:

Fact #1: Sage had only 2 sons.
Never said he had more then two i said clan the sage was from is the uzumaki clan itself.

Fact #2: These two sons were the originals of the Uchiha and Senju clan.
The two sons carried half of the original dna the third branch where lineage is applied refers to the evolutionary disambiguation of the term.
The third independent branch is the uzumaki is holds the original characteristics of the sages bloodline while the two sons inherited the yin and yang nature respectively and morphed it into their own.The uchiha manifesting the special chakra of the uzumaki into the eyes whose abilities coincided more with the tailed bast which is why they can conotrol them and the senju who inherited the body and since the younger son chose peace they contact between the clans was never lost.

Fact #3: no uzamaki has ever awakened any sort special eye. Ex. Kushina, Mito, Naruto these people have neither a sharigan or a rinnegan.
Do no tassume that everyone will get the rinnegan madara even saided himself that he did not unlock it until he was almost dead which means he carried the required dna for quite some time before he could awaken it.plus he even told obito just because he has the dna does not mean he will automatically unlock it i would seriously advise you to look up the definition of the word fact as none what your saying is related to what i said or implied
Fact #4: Nagato didn't awaken the rinnegan he was given the rinnegan. In fact, if it wasn't for madara giving nagato those eyes he would have never unlocked them. I never said anything to suggest otherwise stop putting word sin my mouth and jumping to assumptions

I mean if nagato could awaken the rinnegan, why would madara give him his eye.

Fact #5: Madara and Hashirama were not and I repeat were not the first of their clan.

Umm they were the leaders of the clan that brought many ruling clans into their own once again do not throw assumptions around when is nothing to back up your claim start showcasing examples or evidence if you want you want me to listen to you

 

[Kronnic]

Nice.

 

[BlackBison]

Umm they were the leaders of the clan that brought many ruling clans into their own once again do not throw assumptions around when is nothing to back up your claim start showcasing examples or evidence if you want you want me to listen to you

I'm not denying them as the current leaders of their clan. Naw i'm not denying thats manga fact. But what i am pointing out is that they were not even close to being the first of their clan.

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

I'm not denying them as the current leaders of their clan. Naw i'm not denying thats manga fact. But what i am pointing out is that they were not even close to being the first of their clan.

unless you have proof they never state otherwise

 

[Darkdeeds]

I suggest you look up what lineage means.Lineage means a descent group that can demonstrate their common descent from an apical ancestor or a direct line of decent from an ancestor.The ancestor being the sage of six paths i cant make it any simpler i made a diagram and everything your brain is a potato if anything

Honestly its good your using graph's and everything but........ The way your using your words makes it a bit confusing. For example you say that lineage means a descent group that can demonstrate their direct line of decent from an ancestor. Well if that's the case why is nagato of senju lineage? Shouldn't he be of Uzumaki or SO6P lineage? Just wanted that cleared up. One more thing to say that uchiha and senju are half blooded and uzumaki is full blooded makes no sense. For example in the diagram of the origin of animals (cells and all that good stuff) where you labeled uzmaki, uchiha, and senju. The uzumaki and uchiha would be half blooded and the senju would be 1/4 blooded. You see what i mean because SO6P had 2 children one inherited eyes the other body. So even if uzumaki was a direct descendant he could not be full blooded and posses both the dna of the eyes and body.

 

[BlackBison]

unless you have proof they never state otherwise

Okay then let me throw back what you just. Were is your proof that they were the first. Because if re read the manga pages they never said they were the first of their clan.

 

[A$AP Wap]

Wait, since the Uzumaki leader is older than the Senju leader, doesn't that mean the Uzumaki came first?

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

Honestly its good your using graph's and everything but........ The way your using your words makes it a bit confusing. For example you say that lineage means a descent group that can demonstrate their direct line of decent from an ancestor. Well if that's the case why is nagato of senju lineage? Shouldn't he be of Uzumaki or SO6P lineage? Just wanted that cleared up. One more thing to say that uchiha and senju are half blooded and uzumaki is full blooded makes no sense. For example in the diagram of the origin of animals (cells and all that good stuff) where you labeled uzmaki, uchiha, and senju. The uzumaki and uchiha would be half blooded and the senju would be 1/4 blooded. You see what i mean because SO6P had 2 children one inherited eyes the other body. So even if uzumaki was a direct descendant he could not be full blooded and posses both the dna of the eyes and body.

I am implying he is a descendant of the untainted branch of the bloodline whose chakra retained the original characteristics of the clan while the two branches morphed what they took (the yin and yang natures respectively made it into their own.