The Uchiha were stronger than the Senju.

[To Whatever]

Yes by the 2 prime Uchiha something the fodder Senju couldn't achieve in their entire history.

Nice fanfic blonde hair 7th is the hero of the world . If he stopped the war then he'd be considered a hero. Th only hero is Itachi Uchiha who saved Naruto's life and turned Sasuke's ideology.

Hashirama showed mercy. He could have exterminated them in the warring period. Lmao

The last page of the series literally immortalizes Naruto in legend. He's the hero of the world dumbass.

 

[To Whatever]

Haha no.

Hashirama is no uchiha, so that genjutsu one-shot is looking kinda sweet.
Hashirama already got one shot by Obito
And as for Sasuke don't even get me started :lol

Hashirama would be old as shit by the time Sasuke Obito and the others reached their peak. So what the **** are you on about?

thats like saying Jordan is lucky he retired (in his 40s) before Lebron started playing.

Dude would be past his prime.

Are you making fanfictions now? Obito was a Jin on top of being a edo and limited in power.

 

[Gary777]

the uchihas were psychotic ... n with their hatred towards senju if they were so strong y the senju survived so long ..... dont take hashi n madara into the consideration as they were reincarnates .... senjus have tons of jutsus while uchihas have to wait for their members to die to get mangekyo which is a loss in itself ....

 

[shelke]

In Hashirama's time? No. Otherwise, I agree.

 

[SixPathsMike101]

What's my evidence? Simple really.

Tobirama's behavior after Hashirama's death isn't just because Hashirama wasn't there to stop his childish and vitriolic behavior, but because he knew the Uchiha were too strong to handle without his brother around. Rather than allowing them to focus their powers and thoughts on the world, he gave them the job of being police officers to keep them focused on something ridiculously pointless that could be handled by any other clan.

Secondly, Tobirama himself admits that the Uchiha without their Sharingan are stronger. "The Uchiha possess a love and power that exceeds even that of the Senju, and a deep hatred that surpasses that love." Now, you must be thinking about posting that thread where Hashirama talks about how the Uchiha were submitting to the Senju and were being overcome.

The issue with the Uchiha submitting to the Senju was the fact that Izuna was wounded and Madara did not come to the battlefield with the rest of his brethren like Hashirama and Tobirama did. Hashirama and Tobirama are like the two star players of a fairly decent basketball team who carried the entire team to success.

If Tobirama was confident that he and his "superior" clan could handle any Uchiha that got out of hand he wouldn't have focused the Uchiha on being police officers. He was clearly afraid that he couldn't handle the Uchiha.

Your fan fappingor trolling. It has been shown and stated that the descendants of Ashura the senju were always slightly better than the descendants of Indra, the Uchiha

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Hashirama would be old as shit by the time Sasuke Obito and the others reached their peak. So what the **** are you on about?

thats like saying Jordan is lucky he retired (in his 40s) before Lebron started playing.

Dude would be past his prime.

Are you making fanfictions now? Obito was a Jin on top of being a edo and limited in power.

Will you stfu even Jordan in his prime would get smashed by Lebron, so my point still stands. And there is no fan fiction here, I simply said Obito already beat Hashirama jinch or not I did not specify. His edo was still close to his full power When he was alive. Obito still one shot him and his brother, him being alive is just saving grace for his hardcore fans.

 

[Ace of the fire fist]

hashirama is the ultimate warrior king. he had entire uchiha clan scared by himself lol

 

[SusanooGodEgde]

I agree with infinite mugen. it should have been could instead of were. If it was were since they had madara and izuna, the senju should have lost. Hashi vs Shisui: Shisui has one option of to beat Hashi and thats KA; other than that, Hashi mops the floors with him. Hashi vs Itachi: Itachi has Tsukyomi and tostka blade; other than that, Hashi mops the floors with him. Hashi vs Obito: Obito needs the 10-tails power to beat Hashi. Hashi figures him out and mops the floor with him.

 

[Retsu]

I agree with infinite mugen. it should have been could instead of were. If it was were since they had madara and izuna, the senju should have lost. Hashi vs Shisui: Shisui has one option of to beat Hashi and thats KA; other than that, Hashi mops the floors with him. Hashi vs Itachi: Itachi has Tsukyomi and tostka blade; other than that, Hashi mops the floors with him. Hashi vs Obito: Obito needs the 10-tails power to beat Hashi. Hashi figures him out and mops the floor with him.

Dunno about that, hashirama overpowered oro's edo tensei control thru sheer will. It took ka just to break itachi free. No other shinobi could do such a feat. It's possibly the reason madz couldn't one shot with genjutsu.

 

[SusanooGodEgde]

Dunno about that, hashirama overpowered oro's edo tensei control thru sheer will. It took ka just to break itachi free. No other shinobi could do such a feat. It's possibly the reason madz couldn't one shot with genjutsu.

Even worse for Shisui and one less option for itachi.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Dunno about that, hashirama overpowered oro's edo tensei control thru sheer will. It took ka just to break itachi free. No other shinobi could do such a feat. It's possibly the reason madz couldn't one shot with genjutsu.

Madara doesn't really use genjutsu in combat for some reason. So there's no overpowering the genjutsu. Orochimaru at that time wasn't on Kabuto's level.

 

[Char Aznable]

Naw. Ashura descendants > Indra descendants.

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[Retsu]

Madara doesn't really use genjutsu in combat for some reason. So there's no overpowering the genjutsu. Orochimaru at that time wasn't on Kabuto's level.

Obviously referring to when sasuke brought back oro who was enhanced by zetsu/hashi cells. If he can break loose while itachi needed genjutsu. He could probably do the same with most genjutsu

 

[salamander uchiha]

Obviously referring to when sasuke brought back oro who was enhanced by zetsu/hashi cells. If he can break loose while itachi needed genjutsu. He could probably do the same with most genjutsu

Genjutsu don't fall in the same realms as Edo sensei they fall into a totally different category so nobody knows unless it was used on Hashirama. Zetsu is like fodder compared to Kabuto even if he's composed of Hashi like cells.

 

[Retsu]

Genjutsu don't fall in the same realms as Edo sensei they fall into a totally different category so nobody knows unless it was used on Hashirama. Zetsu is like fodder compared to Kabuto even if he's composed of Hashi like cells.

You don't know that. But we do know genjutsu was never a factor for him against uchiha.

 

[salamander uchiha]

You don't know that. But we do know genjutsu was never a factor for him against uchiha.

Yes we do Edo Tensei isn't a genjutsu and I agree we don't know whether genjutsu was used or not against him. What we do know is that Madara doesn't really use jutsu in combat he hasn't used it against anybody I can think of.

 

[To Whatever]

Yes we do Edo Tensei isn't a genjutsu and I agree we don't know whether genjutsu was used or not against him. What we do know is that Madara doesn't really use jutsu in combat he hasn't used it against anybody I can think of.

He did against Ay. his combat is flexible enough to use it.

 

[salamander uchiha]

He did against Ay. his combat is flexible enough to use it.

Scan because I can't remember.

 

[lndra]

Hashirama > Madara
Naruto = Sasuke
Ashura = Indra (probably?)

Amma go with more or less equal most times.

 

[Char Aznable]

Hashirama > Madara
Naruto = Sasuke
Ashura = Indra (probably?)

Amma go with more or less equal most times.

With Naruto and Sasuke, it comes down to a previous fight Naruto had and facts everyone knows about Chidori/Raikiri.

Naruto vs the 3rd Raikage

Naruto deduces that the 3rd Raikage's Hell Stab is just like Kakashi's Raikiri. So, in order to beat the Edo 3rd Raikage, Naruto does this.

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Now, Naruto has Rasengan vs Chidori clashed with Sasuke 2x in VOTE1, once at the 5 Kage Summit bridge, and during VOTE2 with Kurama/Susanno avatars. So instead of doing what he did against the 3rd Raikage and winning the fighting and killing Sasuke. Naruto does this.

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Making his life a whole lot harder for himself. Remember, Sasuke's Sharingan was deactivated at this point. Meaning he was vulnerable to a counterattack. Like Naruto did here.

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And Danzo did here.

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Sasuke was out for blood in VOTE2 and didn't kill Naruto because he couldn't. Naruto played defense much VOTE2 and didn't kill Sasuke because he didn't want to.



As for Indra and Ashura, I don't think Black Zetsu could've manipulated the Uchiha for millennia if the Indra had won against his brother. From what BZ said, he kept exploiting the Uchiha because none of them got close to overthrowing Ashura's descendants/the Senju until Madara.